best way not to let a bouncer ruin your nite out?

Jesus Wept · 14-07-2007 09:41PM

lol, that's ok

I didn't even realise I was quoting soemthing posted in 12 BC.

Yea.......... bouncers ftw. Mixed bunch, some are alright, doin their job, some are complete tards, oh well.

Pepe LeFrits · 14-07-2007 09:49PM

Earthhorse wrote:

Holy thread resurrection Batman!

DeabBankClerk, Shinji, Phobos, SheroN and a few other blasts from the past (maybe some of these guys are still around but I haven't seen them).

Also, in before lock.

Nostalgia: Just say NO.

Jesus Wept · 14-07-2007 10:16PM

you're thinking of drugs.

singingstranger · 14-07-2007 10:47PM

Anyway, something actually on topic - the best way not to let a bouncer ruin your night is to go to an "old man's" pub.

Good chat, warm, probably a bit of nice music, what more do you want?

unreggd · 15-07-2007 12:49AM

get his id number [they all shud have these on and visible now]

and go somewhere else, then the next day, along with all ur bebo friends, report him to the boss

either that or throw acid in his face

Laslo · 15-07-2007 01:19AM

admiralofthefleet wrote:

ask a bouncer a question, any question. the monkeys are not trained to, nor have the inelligence to, answer your question

Judging by your spelling, grammar and baffling use of punctuation, I would suggest that most bouncers are more intelligent than you are. Most of the ones I've worked with certainly are. If you're going to generalise and berate the intelligence of an entire profession, at least make some effort yourself.

admiralofthefleet · 15-07-2007 01:34AM

Laslo wrote:

Judging by your spelling, grammar and baffling use of punctuation, I would suggest that most bouncers are more intelligent than you are. Most of the ones I've worked with certainly are. If you're going to generalise and berate the intelligence of an entire profession, at least make some effort yourself.

i didnt think proper spelling and punctuation really mattered on boards, my opinion was made, i have worked in the bar trade for 9 years and 99% of the bouncers i have worked with and employed were twats.

stepbar · 15-07-2007 01:35AM

In fairness what qualifications or intelligence do you need to be a bouncer? SFA TBH.

admiralofthefleet · 15-07-2007 01:55AM

well, according to the following link and law you do need to be qualified to be door staff
http://www.isia.ie/isia/Main/News_Bouncers.htm

Laslo · 15-07-2007 09:12AM

admiralofthefleet wrote:

i didnt think proper spelling and punctuation really mattered on boards, my opinion was made, i have worked in the bar trade for 9 years and 99% of the bouncers i have worked with and employed were twats.

Really? What pubs have you worked in? I'd be interested to know. I worked in bars (as a doorman) on and off for 10 years and, in my experience, a lot of barmen are surly c**ts too. To say that 99% of bouncers are twats is a little facetious, don't you? Unless you worked in some run-down hovvel.

Laslo · 15-07-2007 09:20AM

stepbar wrote:

In fairness what qualifications or intelligence do you need to be a bouncer? SFA TBH.

None. I think you need to be registered now but the barrier for entry is fairly low. FWIW, I have a computer science degree and a masters in information architecture. I've worked on the door with other professionals, ranging from barristers to psychologists; from physiotherapists to firemen. As you might expect I've also worked with my fair share of meatheads but that shouldn't be any real surprise to anyone.

If there's one thing that I can say without any shadow of doubt - doormen have more of a right to complain about about the general, drinking public than the general, drinking public have to complain about them. Nobody likes authority figures but try to bear in mind that the next time you're in your favourite pub, enjoying a nice pint at the weekend - the place could very well be overrun with violent scumbags and drunken as**oles if it weren't for the guys on the door. In fact, if it weren't for bouncers, going out for a night on the town in Dublin would be a hell of a lot more dangerous.

I'm not saying you have to like all bouncers - some are idiots - but don't make sweeping generalisation because it makes you sound like a dick.

Kinetic^ · 15-07-2007 02:10PM

+1 for what Laslo said.

15-07-2007 02:19PM

Laslo wrote:

None. I think you need to be registered now but the barrier for entry is fairly low. FWIW, I have a computer science degree and a masters in information architecture. I've worked on the door with other professionals, ranging from barristers to psychologists; from physiotherapists to firemen.

Working on the door isn't exactly a career move, but there is nothing wrong with taking a second job as bills need to be paid, then needs must!

Zillah · 15-07-2007 02:28PM

I read two bloody pages of this thread before I realised it was five years old...

unreggd · 15-07-2007 02:31PM

Laslo wrote:

None. I think you need to be registered now but the barrier for entry is fairly low. FWIW, I have a computer science degree and a masters in information architecture. I've worked on the door with other professionals, ranging from barristers to psychologists; from physiotherapists to firemen. As you might expect I've also worked with my fair share of meatheads but that shouldn't be any real surprise to anyone.

If there's one thing that I can say without any shadow of doubt - doormen have more of a right to complain about about the general, drinking public than the general, drinking public have to complain about them. Nobody likes authority figures but try to bear in mind that the next time you're in your favourite pub, enjoying a nice pint at the weekend - the place could very well be overrun with violent scumbags and drunken as**oles if it weren't for the guys on the door. In fact, if it weren't for bouncers, going out for a night on the town in Dublin would be a hell of a lot more dangerous.

I'm not saying you have to like all bouncers - some are idiots - but don't make sweeping generalisation because it makes you sound like a dick.

I agree with you there, but in my personal experience, 90% do have an attitude problem

Also, regarding licenses, is it true that they got their license one they promised to do the test at a later date???

the way a lot of them present themselves, the looks they give you etc makes them come across as complete vvankers

My question is why cant they [the ones that are pricks] carry themselves more respectably

I'm not one for street fights, but one time a bouncer looked my friend up and down, and i wanted to kick his head in

yes, they keep a lot of scumbags out, but they still let a lot in, and not to mention the genuine people who wouldnt be causin trouble that they dont let in. Their people reading skills need a bit of work

Zillah · 15-07-2007 02:32PM

shane86 wrote:

There is one thing Ive never understood about bouncers, and thats not giving the reason. People hanging around for ages at the door asking "why ya not lettin me in" seems to wreck their heads. If rather than replying ad naueaum with "the management reserves the right to refuse admission" they replied with "you`re too drunk/boss man told me not to let people in wearing clothes like yours/whatever" theyd get rid of them alot faster.

Its because they don't want to get into an argument with every scumbag they refuse entry to. They don't need to give you a reason. If they give you a reason you might disagree and start arguing. If they give some bloody useless response theres nothing you can do.

source · 15-07-2007 05:58PM

The best thing to do if you're refused,is just politely say okay and walk away, 9 times out of 10 the bouncer is trying to see if you're gonna be trouble, if you just stay calm, don't give lip and start to walk away, the bouncer will usually call you back and let you in, cause you've shown him you won't be any trouble.:D

Try it sometime.

But having said that there are still some cnuts out there who just wanna inflate their ego's

The best bouncer story i have, is this: I was out one night with a mate who's a garda, we walked up to the bouncer who asked me for id, i gave him my garda age card and he refused it, then started on my mate about his clothes, at which point he produced his ID and the bouncer nearly sh1t himself. it was priceless

Laslo · 15-07-2007 07:31PM

Deleted User wrote:

Working on the door isn't exactly a career move, but there is nothing wrong with taking a second job as bills need to be paid, then needs must!

I know a few full-time doormen that do quite well out of it TBH. If you're good enough, properly trained and educated then you can be paid a premium. Personally I don't do it anymore as it's an absolutely crap, crap, crap job and the amount of abuse you have to put up with isn't worth it.

Laslo · 15-07-2007 07:43PM

unreggd wrote:

I agree with you there, but in my personal experience, 90% do have an attitude problem

90% eh? So 9/10 doormen you've come into contact with have an attitude problem? You must be acting like a right dick to get that kind of negative attention TBH. 90% of doormen I come into contact with either stop me to ensure I'm not drunk or let me pass through but I don't even get to notice whether they have an attitude problem. Maybe it's you, eh?

unreggd wrote:

the way a lot of them present themselves, the looks they give you etc makes them come across as complete vvankers

Really? So you're judging them on their looks/the way they present themselves, eh? Well done. You're obviously a highly intelligent individual.

unreggd wrote:

My question is why cant they [the ones that are pricks] carry themselves more respectably

I don't know. It probably has something to do with the constant abuse they receive at the hands of the general public (i.e. you and your friends) - this would include verbal abuse, death threats, bottles, knives and punches, etc. Sometimes even guns. So have a little respect and empathy. And as I said before, without doormen your Saturday nights would be indisputably more dangerous.

unreggd wrote:

I'm not one for street fights, but one time a bouncer looked my friend up and down, and i wanted to kick his head in

Just goes to show what kind of an idiot you are then. As a doorman, it's his job to look your friend up and down and ensure that they're not drunk/a known troublemaker or drug dealer/etc.

unreggd wrote:

yes, they keep a lot of scumbags out, but they still let a lot in, and not to mention the genuine people who wouldnt be causin trouble that they dont let in. Their people reading skills need a bit of work

What would you suggest? Profiling of every customer on the door with some kind of 'customer aptitude test'? Doormen do the best they can with limited knowledge they have of the general public.

Doormen are sometimes the only barrier of protection between you and a bunch of knackers who would happily bottle you for fun at the bar.

Laslo · 15-07-2007 07:45PM

foinse wrote:

The best bouncer story i have, is this: I was out one night with a mate who's a garda, we walked up to the bouncer who asked me for id, i gave him my garda age card and he refused it, then started on my mate about his clothes, at which point he produced his ID and the bouncer nearly sh1t himself. it was priceless

You can tell your Garda friend that he's a tool and that producing his badge off-duty could get him in severe trouble (unless a crime is being committed)

jd83 · 15-07-2007 07:46PM

Laslo wrote:

None. I think you need to be registered now but the barrier for entry is fairly low. FWIW, I have a computer science degree and a masters in information architecture. I've worked on the door with other professionals, ranging from barristers to psychologists; from physiotherapists to firemen. As you might expect I've also worked with my fair share of meatheads but that shouldn't be any real surprise to anyone.

If there's one thing that I can say without any shadow of doubt - doormen have more of a right to complain about about the general, drinking public than the general, drinking public have to complain about them. Nobody likes authority figures but try to bear in mind that the next time you're in your favourite pub, enjoying a nice pint at the weekend - the place could very well be overrun with violent scumbags and drunken as**oles if it weren't for the guys on the door. In fact, if it weren't for bouncers, going out for a night on the town in Dublin would be a hell of a lot more dangerous.

I'm not saying you have to like all bouncers - some are idiots - but don't make sweeping generalisation because it makes you sound like a dick.

I agree with this completely not all bouncers are bad. Its the same as any job you get nice people and u get idiots. People always give out about not getting in but bouncer look at a client they try to predict if this client is going to cause trouble because if there is trouble it will all lead back to the doorman ie "Why did u let him or her in" So its just easier to not let a person in when they cant stand or think they are sober and cant even stand straight. Even though they might not cause trouble its just safer. If there is less troublemakers you will enjoy ur night more.

Duckjob · 15-07-2007 07:48PM

Laslo wrote:

I know a few full-time doormen that do quite well out of it TBH. If you're good enough, properly trained and educated then you can be paid a premium. Personally I don't do it anymore as it's an absolutely crap, crap, crap job and the amount of abuse you have to put up with isn't worth it.

A neighbour friend of mine works in building and construction and has been out of work since January. He used to do security door work and is now reluctantly going back to it out of necessity, though he swore before he would never work in that sector again. He said it was hell, and the stress that came with the job was ridiculous.

He also disliked a lot of the people he had to work with, finding many of them to be on serious ego-trips. This guy is a big strong guy, but he preferred to use his head and try to diffuse situations before they got out of hand instead of wading in gleefully to crack heads.

Laslo · 15-07-2007 07:59PM

Duckjob wrote:

A neighbour friend of mine works in building and construction and has been out of work since January. He used to do security door work and is now reluctantly going back to it out of necessity, though he swore before he would never work in that sector again. He said it was hell, and the stress that came with the job was ridiculous.

It is. Which is probably why doormen get such a bad rap. Anyone who makes a career out of it has to be impervious to abuse and, in most cases, tend to be very cold characters who take no crap from anyone. Having said this, I find the same ratio of the general public have just as much of an attitude problem - more so when drunk.

Duckjob wrote:

He also disliked a lot of the people he had to work with, finding many of them to be on serious ego-trips. This guy is a big strong guy, but he preferred to use his head and try to diffuse situations before they got out of hand instead of wading in gleefully to crack heads.

There are a lot of meatheads working on the door, it's true. But certainly not '90%' as some idiots seem to think. Bottom line - if the people who went to pubs/nightclubs were all decent, unaggressive and nice people then doormen would be too. The fact of the matter is that as long as doormen have to deal with dozens of utter cvnts on a nightly basis, they will continue to treat the customers with the kind of respect that they themselves receive.

nesf · 15-07-2007 08:02PM

DoesNotCompute wrote:

So where's the video?

Eh.. Why are you dragging up two year old threads to ask questions?

jd83 · 15-07-2007 08:07PM

Thats it exactly treat people the way u expect to be treated. I hate the name of this thread " Dont let a bouncer ruin your night" Act with a little bit of self discipline and they would have to. The amount of as*h*les out there especially on a friday and saturday night. I admit that some bouncer take their job to seriously and probable enjoy the power trip but most are ok and will try help in any problem.

Zillah · 16-07-2007 06:50AM

Laslo wrote:

You can tell your Garda friend that he's a tool and that producing his badge off-duty could get him in severe trouble (unless a crime is being committed)

Does denying Garda-endorsed ID count?

connundrum · 16-07-2007 09:53AM

Zillah wrote:

Does denying Garda-endorsed ID count?

As per licencing laws, a private venue can create a set of house rules which all patrons must abide by. These house rules cover areas such as serving times, dress policy, complaints policy and acceptable ID.

A private venue can decide that it will accept all ID (Garda ID, passport, driving licence, student ID), or it can decide to accept only 1 form of ID ie. student ID. As frustrating as this may be, it is the law and they have the power to refuse you if their house rules state that Garda ID is not acceptable. Should you wish to query it, ask for the manager and ask to see the house rules so that you can verify the ID situation.

Oh and most of what Laslo says ftw!

If you're not happy with a venue's doormen/door policy, go to another venue.

red_ice · 16-07-2007 10:04AM

Whats all this "Goes up to the bouncer/Say to a bouncer lark"? When you go into a place do you stop and talk to them or something? I've never been stopped at the door let alone refused.

At most i say "how are ye" as im walking by them without even giving them a look. The way i see it is, i deserve to be in that place where ever it may be, and the only thing that could stop me is some fk tard at the door to a venue whos opinion i couldnt really care less about!

Duggy747 · 16-07-2007 11:08AM

I've never really had much bother with bouncers myself. The odd meathead acting the dickhead but honestly there ain't anything you can do except leave. As for shoes, I usually put my shoelaces of my brown runners that are hanging out inside my socks, has never failed me yet. A lot of times too if they reject ya find out exactly why, as I usually talk shíte with them for a few seconds and then I'm let in.

Then there's the odd pricks, like a few years back in Galway. I was drinking in the King's Head Paddy's Day when I was asked to meet up with my roommate who was down at the Spanish Arch. Now, I was only on me 3rd pint cuz it was a pain to get a pint from the bar considering I was pretty much at the stage watching some hurling match. Scooped me pint, left, met my roommate, and then we came back to where the bouncer refused me in. Now it's one thing being refused but it's quite another when you're refused AND given no reason why. I kept asking why to the muppet and explaining I was there throughout the morning and he saw me leave 2 minutes earlier. He just kept saying: "Go somewhere else cuz you're not coming in here" all while making no eye contact (Which really got my goat!!) Anywho, I knew I lost this fight so myself and my roommate just turned around, mooned the bastard and went to another pub. How mature!

Tinytony · 16-07-2007 04:00PM

Was turned away from a bar where to bouncers are notorious for acting the pr*ck and basically just seem to randomly refuse people and never give a reason. Just the usual pre-programmed "Management reserves the right to refuse....." speil.

So despite drinking in there fairly regularly, I was stopped one night, and when asked for a reason the bouncer proceeded with his usual story. I just shrugged my shoulders and said "don't worry about it. I can always go somewhere else and have a drink, you wake up in the morning and your still going to be a bitter balding middle-aged w@nker". The other people in the queue started laughin and he flipped out. Had to be restrained by two other bouncers.

Came back a couple of weeks later and he wasn't on the door, but one of the other bouncers recognized me, but he just started laughing and let me in. Apparently the other bouncer had gotten the road from there after clocking a punter later in the night.

best way not to let a bouncer ruin your nite out?

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