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The GPO as a shopping centre?

  • 15-07-2007 07:55PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,926 ✭✭✭✭


    I can see this plan going down a bomb.

    http://home.eircom.net/content/unison/national/10751529?view=Eircomnet&cat=National
    Dublin's GPO to close only to rise again as a smart shopping centre
    From The Irish IndependentSunday, 15th July, 2007

    THE GPO in O'Connell Street, Dublin, is to close - as a general post office.

    The Government has grand plans to "open it up to a public" in a revamp costing €250m that will turn the inconic building and its huge interior courtyards into a mixed development of museums, restaurants, galleries, shops and performance areas for the arts.

    The redevelopment of the site is linked to the celebration of the centenary of 1916 in nine years' time.

    Secret discussions have been taking place over a long period between the Office of Public Works and architects and planners about making the GPO a "focal point" for huge development plans in the northern quarter of Dublin city.

    "There are considerable architectural possibilities about what can be done with it," said the Minister in charge of the Office of Public Works, Noel Ahern TD, yesterday.

    "There are enormous possibilities if we get the right mix of creative ideas," he said.

    A think tank involving the ultra-trendy architects Foster & Partners of London, who designed the proposed expansion of U2's Clarence Hotel, has been involved in looking at the GPO complex and possibilities for opening it up from the surrounding streets such as Henry Street and Prince'sStreet.

    With the post office counters removed there will be free access into the massive interior of the building.

    "The think tank came at it from an architectural point of view; now it is a case of moving on and talking to the stakeholders" said the minister. He believes that work will have to start in the next year or two if the Government's plans are to be completed in time for the 2016 celebration.

    Included in the plan is a glass cover for the vast courtyards, new archway entrances from adjoining streets and a multi-story interior which could even include an element of upmarket apartments, depending on a final agreement for the building and its courtyards.

    Minister Ahern wants the building to retain the historic name of the GPO and to retain a post office "at some level", but this would only be one element of the development, which is at the early planning stages.

    In the next couple of weeks meetings will be held with various interested bodies, including An Post, to discuss the plans.

    The future of the GPO is now linked to the celebration of the 100th anniversary of the 1916 Rising, which is seen as a "seminal moment" in the development of Irish independence and the modern state.

    An integral part of the plan is for a "creative" museum which will celebrate the 100 years since Padraig Pearse, James Connolly and the Irish Volunteers occupied the building in 1916, beginning the final phase of the struggle for Irish independence.

    The front facade of the building remains from the original GPO designed by Francis Johnston and erected in 1818. Much of the rest of it was destroyed by shelling in 1916. Ironically this facilitates the development of the courtyards and other buildings on the site, making development a much easier proposition because much of the fabric of the vast site was built after 1916.

    Noel Ahern has already presided over a series of meetings of an informal group which has been charged with celebrating the centenary of 1916 and opening up the historic site for public use.

    "We want people in there, we want a lively place so that people can walk in off O'Connell Street," said Minister Ahern.

    He also believes that it should be more than "dawn to dusk" and that the GPO site will be a vibrant place for visitors well into the night, and that in conjunction with other developments in the area can turn O'Connell Street into a vibrant part of the city.

    Last week Arnott's department store, which is controlled by barrister Richard Nesbitt, got the go-ahead for a €750m redevelopment of its huge land bank in Abbey Street, Henry Street and Prince's Street, which includes the former Independent Newspapers site.

    The Arnott's site, the GPO site and the Carlton site, which extends back into Moore Street, will all become part of a 5.5-acre redevelopment of what has now been called the Northern Quarter.

    The scheme, which has been been approved by Dublin City Council, will be 12 to 15 storeys high in places.

    The Office of Public Works, which is to begin consultation with stakeholders in the GPO in the next couple of weeks, is determined that the old post office will become the focal point of this development. The best architects and planners will be involved in the design process.

    At present, An Post uses the GPO building as a company headquarters - and although it is a famous meeting point in the centre of Dublin it is generally considered that its presence has 'deadened' the area rather than adding to the vigour and attractiveness of O'Connell Street and the surrounding area.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭tracert


    At present, An Post uses the GPO building as a company headquarters - and although it is a famous meeting point in the centre of Dublin it is generally considered that its presence has 'deadened' the area rather than adding to the vigour and attractiveness of O'Connell Street and the surrounding area.
    Huh?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,967 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Maybe they should concentrate on developing and getting tenants for the empty buildings further up the street first. I think one building is called the Carlton Cinema. Could be wrong on the name but it's a shame it's empty.

    Then once the street is fully occupied with businesses, then they can look at this proposal. I wouldn't reject it straight away but the majority will probably reject it before even reading the full article.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    I fail to see how the GPO has "deadened" the area, I'd like to see info regardfing that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,638 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    great idea s long as it does actualy include the museums and galleries when its all said and done and its not just a big shopping center


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭jjbrien


    I would hate to see the GPO becoming a shopping center. It would be a grave injustice the our fore fathers who fought inside the GPO. If this goes ahead it would be the final pice of americanization of Ireland we might as well apply to become a state of the USA. I hope they keep thier hands off the GPO. Its the only post office in Dublin that stays open late till 8pm Monday to Friday without it I would never get to go to the post office.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,484 ✭✭✭JIZZLORD


    i think that some development cant hurt, but putting apartments in it would cheapen the buildings significance. if they went down a route consisting of an art gallery and a museum i'd have no problem, but i cant imagine a branch of lifestlye sports or something equally trashy adding to the building
    Even ignoring it's massive place in our history, a 200 year old public building doesn't deserve to end up as a shopping centre.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,714 ✭✭✭marco murphy


    Hmm. Put a statue in the middle and I don't mind. There is very little rememberance of the Rebellion. The shop/whoore house at the back street (not sure of the name) where the rebels surrendered is remembered by some grafitti and a very small un recognisable plaque.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭2 stroke


    If it must be changed I vote for a drive-in postoffice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭Time Magazine


    jjbrien wrote:
    It would be a grave injustice the our fore fathers who fought inside the GPO. If this goes ahead it would be the final pice of americanization of Ireland we might as well apply to become a state of the USA.
    Jaysis, exaggerate much?

    It's a Post Office, it's already a shop of sorts. How is turning it into a different sort of shop such a change? "The final piece of Americanization"? (Noticed you used a 'z' there...) Get off it, lad.

    I think it should be a museum, but this appears to be in the plans, so I'm contented enough even if they have a few shops there as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    JIZZLORD wrote:
    a 200 year old public building

    That would mean the Brits built it, then, yeah?

    (stir, stir)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭jjbrien


    Ibid wrote:
    Jaysis, exaggerate much?

    It's a Post Office, it's already a shop of sorts. How is turning it into a different sort of shop such a change? "The final piece of Americanization"? (Noticed you used a 'z' there...) Get off it, lad.

    I think it should be a museum, but this appears to be in the plans, so I'm contented enough even if they have a few shops there as well.
    A museum would be fine. But no shops what so ever. The only form of a shop that should be in there is a working post office and gift shop. Ok maybe an post needs new modern offices thats fine by all means move them but dont turn the GPO into a giant Mc Donalds.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭shane86


    jjbrien wrote:
    I would hate to see the GPO becoming a shopping center. It would be a grave injustice the our fore fathers who fought inside the GPO. If this goes ahead it would be the final pice of americanization of Ireland we might as well apply to become a state of the USA. I hope they keep thier hands off the GPO. Its the only post office in Dublin that stays open late till 8pm Monday to Friday without it I would never get to go to the post office.

    Here here.

    Im by no means a hardcore republican* but I agree with the above, its a commercial sell of of the scene of one of the most important days in our history. Its as if saying that in modern Ireland anything is for sale.

    *(my oul one is from the north from a 90% plus protestant village, she said that bar one or two gobsh1tes they were treated as well as anyone, and so she told me never to get caught up in that sh1te)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Demonique


    micmclo wrote:
    Maybe they should concentrate on developing and getting tenants for the empty buildings further up the street first. I think one building is called the Carlton Cinema. Could be wrong on the name but it's a shame it's empty.

    I heard its one of the places they're considering for the new location of the abbey theatre


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Yess. Just what Dublin needs. More Shops and Apartments. Why stop at the GPO? I'm sure there's plenty of space in the Garden of Rememberance too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 669 ✭✭✭Photi


    Dublin forum tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭Ruu_Old


    Museum would be good perhaps but wouldn't like to see anything more. *cries at the thought of Starbucks and tourists with bum bags* ;_;


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,926 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Photi wrote:
    Dublin forum tbh.
    National monument tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,638 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    jjbrien wrote:
    but dont turn the GPO into a giant Mc Donalds.

    considering the council are doing their best to stop the renewal of the leases for all the fast food resaurants on oconnel st this is unlikely

    a museum and an art gallery and a library and a few shops would be great (no supermarkets)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,157 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    jjbrien wrote:
    Its the only post office in Dublin that stays open late till 8pm Monday to Friday without it I would never get to go to the post office.
    If you work Monday to Friday would you not consider visiting you local PO on Saturday! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    Yeah like we really need another shopping centre. Maybe they'll close the national art gallery and turn that into a shopping centre aswell.

    But if it was to go ahead as suggested (with museums, galleries, nice restaurants etc. as well as some shops) then I'd be ok with that. Once it's tastefully done and not just as another location for a Dunnes Stores and a McDonalds. If handled right it could be developed into something really nice, but given our government's record with public projects you wouldn't bet your life on that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,102 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    This is shocking news. I can't believe the government could be serious in attempting to cheapen the image of this important and historic building. How moronic can they be to even entertain the idea of putting shops and restaurents in one of the most historically important buildings in Ireland.

    This is a blatant attempt to commercialise on the valuable location of the GPO. Were this to go ahead future generations would wonder how on earth we could have let it happen. It would be in every bit the same league as some of the disasterous planning permissions that were approved in the 50's and 60's. We let them build the offices on the little park in front of Dublin Castle, we'd let them 'deface' the GPO, what else are they planning? What does this teach our children?

    Why does it need shops? It doesn't, it's right next door to one of the busiest shopping streets in Ireland! It's a national treasure, it doesn't need commericalising. It needs to be promoted for what it is. Make better use of it as a post office, if we have to have a museum, why can't it showcase it's importance in the Rising.

    I'm not normally terribly political, and I do have a habit of sitting on the fence, but I will do everything within my power to try and prevent this happening. I'll write letters, I'll go to marches, I'll try and motivate friends and family into taking action.
    I'm saddend and disappointed that the government would try to cash in on the GPO in such a manner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭Steoob


    i think its a ****in great idea, i do think that the gpo makes o connell street a bit plane... i hate the walk past it its pretty ugly tbh... a statue and a museum would be great and would honour the rebels well, but it cant hurt to throw in a nice 15 story building i think it can do nothing but wonders for Dub...

    OT 15 stories... there aren't many buildings higher than that in ireland are there? the clarion hotel in limerick is 15 i know that... hmmm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,635 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Victor wrote:
    National monument tbh.

    Agreed tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,786 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    Ballymun had seven 15 storey buildings, even though they were named after the seven signatories of the Proclamation it's hardly much of a recommandation.

    I leave the country for a couple of years and the kip goes mad.
    The goverrnment couldn't put a top on it's own shite as my granny always said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,638 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    eo980 wrote:
    This is shocking news. I can't believe the government could be serious in attempting to cheapen the image of this important and historic building. How moronic can they be to even entertain the idea of putting shops and restaurents in one of the most historically important buildings in Ireland.

    This is a blatant attempt to commercialise on the valuable location of the GPO. Were this to go ahead future generations would wonder how on earth we could have let it happen. It would be in every bit the same league as some of the disasterous planning permissions that were approved in the 50's and 60's. We let them build the offices on the little park in front of Dublin Castle, we'd let them 'deface' the GPO, what else are they planning? What does this teach our children?

    Why does it need shops? It doesn't, it's right next door to one of the busiest shopping streets in Ireland! It's a national treasure, it doesn't need commericalising. It needs to be promoted for what it is. Make better use of it as a post office, if we have to have a museum, why can't it showcase it's importance in the Rising.

    I'm not normally terribly political, and I do have a habit of sitting on the fence, but I will do everything within my power to try and prevent this happening. I'll write letters, I'll go to marches, I'll try and motivate friends and family into taking action.
    I'm saddend and disappointed that the government would try to cash in on the GPO in such a manner.

    we are all entitled to our opinions and my opinion is your talking crap.......if they are doing as is claimed in the article they are not only not cheapening / degrading the building they are revamping it and renewing it which will bring more people into the building and therefore they are more likely to take an interest in its history........

    the area will be better off for it and the city will be better off for it (what tourist wants to visit a post office??? but they will be more than happy to visit a historical building that has something extra ie museums galleries shops etc.

    also it will make the gpo alot more economically viable to keep going in the long run


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,102 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    PeakOutput wrote:
    we are all entitled to our opinions and my opinion is your talking crap.......

    Well thankfully it's just your opinion and therefore a load of cods wallop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,635 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Lads, really you've both been around long enough to know not to get personal.


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭parsi


    If you work Monday to Friday would you not consider visiting you local PO on Saturday! ;)


    Depends on the services - my PO only accepts mail up to around 11.00 for collection that day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,102 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    nesf wrote:
    Lads, really you've both been around long enough to know not to get personal.

    True enough nesf, my apologies. Regardless of what anyone else may think, I will be doing my best to make sure that this doesn't go ahead in it's current form. While that may have little effect, I'll be doing it regardless.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,635 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    eo980 wrote:
    True enough nesf, my apologies. Regardless of what anyone else may think, I will be doing my best to make sure that this doesn't go ahead in it's current form. While that may have little effect, I'll be doing it regardless.

    Well wanting to maintain a shrine to failure is noble enough I suppose. :)


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