The Jews did it !

Hey! The Jews gave us Jerry Seinfeld. What have the Muslims ever given us?

StephenC_IRL wrote:

well if the media can accuse muslims of everything then i can accuse someone else.

Spoken like a true 4 year old.

StephenC_IRL wrote:

Our world is far to focussed on terrorism and the stigma that goes with being of the islamic faith is huge.

What the hell are you talking about? There are bombs, beheadings and general mayhem going on daily; terrorism is a huge threat. Maybe not so much in Ireland but you only have to look at events in the US, UK, Spain, The Netherlands, Africa, Thailand, Chechnya, Indonesia... the list goes on forever.

That's not to say that Muslims are responsible for all the atrocities perpetrated in this places (I'm looking at you US, UK, Israel and Russia) but they generally have one thing in common - Muslims are involved on one side or other. I'm not making judgements, just saying is all. Either there's an unfair war on Muslims for whatever reason, or they're so wrapped up in terrorism that the worlds super-powers have had enough of them. Or a mixture of both perhaps. Or you could argue that it's a result of complex geo-political issues and let the argument go around in circles forever.

StephenC_IRL wrote:

I even heard on the radio the other day that the capsising of the boats in that rigatta was first thought to be a terrorist attack by islamic extremists.

Hahaha. I'm assuming that either a) you're lying or b) it was a joke.

StephenC_IRL wrote:

A terrorist attack Im aware some muslims have done some things but come one people its just madness now. I think we all need to ease up on the terrorism a little.

Hahaha. What are you talking about? There are hundred of people being massacred on a daily basis by terrorists, it's a pretty serious threat. You think we should just ignore it? Sure there are other issues we can concentrate on (and we do) such as the environment, world hunger, etc. But come on now - you can't seriously be of the opinion that we should ignore terrorism and hope if goes away? Or that we should try and make some kind of myth of the grim realities of Islamofascism/Salifism? Get real.

StephenC_IRL wrote:

And the media seems to portray the muslim faith as the only one of having extremists

No they don't. That's simply not true.

StephenC_IRL wrote:

everyone forgets about those catholic extremists who bombed omagh

They were nationalist extremists (supposedly) fighting an empire - not Catholic extremists fighting non-believers in the name of Jesus.

StephenC_IRL wrote:

or the extremists on grafton street trying to force their "abortion is evil" propoganda on you.

Yes, Islamic extremists have loads in common with anti-abortion campaigners. :rolleyes: I won't get into the abortion debate as I don't know enough about it, but I'm not 100% convinced that it's not evil/selfish in many cases.

StephenC_IRL wrote:

we all have to stop the bias against muslims and the like

As long as Muslims are bombing towns and cities in the Western world, I'll always have a healthy suspicion of them. I have several Muslim friends in the West Midlands (UK) and they feel the same. Like it or not Stephen, terrorism is real. Not just something Sky News made up.

Piste wrote:

On the subject of terrorism, why do they do it? Is it against the West or against all non-muslims cos they wan't everyone to be Muslim? I just don't get it!

You can mostly point at US meddling in the middle east for that one, and going further back, cack-handed British efforts, which created Iraq in the first place (there is no historic nation called Iraq, its an artificial political entity - see most of the map of Africa for further highly intelligent British decisions on geography).

In Iran, in 1951 Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq received the vote required from the parliament to nationalize the British-owned oil industry, in a situation known as the Abadan Crisis. The former colonial powers and the US of course didn't take that lightly, and tried to overturn the Iranian government, successfully, but that collapsed in 1979 when the Shah (puppet ruler) was overthrown. Cue Islamic republic being formed, with naturally a huge anti western bias, giving us modern day Iran.

My understanding of the Al-Quaeda situation is that Osama Bin Laden was a big cheese in the resistance to Russian occupation of Afghanistan, one of the Saudi Royal family.

After Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, bin Laden offered to help defend Saudi Arabia (with 12,000 armed men) but was rebuffed by the Saudi government. Bin Laden publicly denounced his government's dependence on the U.S. military and demanded an end to the presence of foreign military bases in the country. This is the heart of the problems there, pathetic as it seems, the wounded pride of a bitch queen.

About Israel: Following World War II, the British announced their intention to withdraw from the British mandate of Palestine. The United Nations General Assembly proposed the partition of Palestine into two states, an Arab state and a Jewish state, with the city of Jerusalem to be under the direct administration of the United Nations. While most Jews in Palestine accepted the proposal, most of the Arabs in Palestine rejected it.

Violence between Arab and Jewish communities erupted almost immediately. Toward the end of the British mandate, the Jews planned to declare a separate state, a development the Arabs were determined to prevent. On May 14, 1948, the last British forces withdrew from Palestine, and the Jews, led by David Ben-Gurion, declared the creation of the State of Israel, in accordance with the 1947 UN Partition Plan. Arab countries refused to recognize the State of Israel, and attacked that same day, thus igniting the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Israel prevailed, and established borders which remained in place until the 1967 Six Day War.

So those, in summary, are the root causes for the terrorism. I'll say that in my opinion, Islam is a wretched misogynistic death cult only given legitimacy by the surplus of vital resources that happen to be located in primarily Islamic regions, and it should be driven off the map, and consigned to the dusty annals of history.

A hundred years ago, they were riding around on camels and shitting in tents. In a hundred years, that's where they will be again.