Bomb Scare in London

krinpit · 29-06-2007 03:47PM

I'm not trying to flame this but, how do you mean blamed? Who's blaming you/us.

Fratton Fred · 29-06-2007 03:48PM

Erin Go Brath wrote:

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Sources say the device was "massive" and the perpetrators are unlikely to be Irish, suggesting Islamic extremists were the likely suspects.

Oh, those bloody Irish. I'm surprised we didn't get the blame for the floods in Sheffield aswell. :rolleyes:

An Irishman complaining that the English are blaming the Irish for something they didn't do, oh the irony:p

Erin Go Brath · 29-06-2007 03:57PM

krinpit wrote:

I'm not trying to flame this but, how do you mean blamed? Who's blaming you/us.

The first thing the journos do is imply its an Irish person who planted the bomb. Fair enough in the 80's maybe, but now theres no justification.

krinpit · 29-06-2007 04:00PM

That's hardly pointing the finger of blame at you is it? If anything, it's suggesting that it's the IRA.

Erin Go Brath · 29-06-2007 04:02PM

Fratton Fred wrote:

An Irishman complaining that the English are blaming the Irish for something they didn't do, oh the irony:p

An Englishman, displaying irony at an irishman complaining the English are blaming the Irish for something they didn't do. Now you just have me confused Fred

Jimoslimos · 29-06-2007 04:04PM

Erin Go Brath wrote:

The first thing the journos do is imply its an Irish person who planted the bomb. Fair enough in the 80's maybe, but now theres no justification.

I think this might be a case of shifting the blame. If (as actually suspected) muslim extremists were highlighted as the probable causes and the whole incident came to naught then there'd be finger-pointing at the Met and accusations of police racism all round. Given some recent so-called terrorist arrest disasters I'd say there's a bit of PR working overtime.

krinpit · 29-06-2007 04:04PM

Erin Go Brath wrote:

An Englishman, displaying irony at an irishman complaining the English are blaming the Irish for something they didn't do. Now you just have me confused Fred

Agreed

Erin Go Brath · 29-06-2007 04:07PM

krinpit wrote:

That's hardly pointing the finger of blame at you is it? If anything, it's suggesting that it's the IRA.

Birmingham 6, Guildford 4 weren't in the IRA, didn't stop the finger being pointed at them.

krinpit · 29-06-2007 04:08PM

That's hardly the point here. Nobody has been perpetrated yet

mike65 · 29-06-2007 04:11PM

Whats the moaning about the Irish angle? Some reading this will be heartened to get a mention I suspect.

"No (user) names, no pack drill".

That the Home Secretary is called Jacqui somehow seems wrong.

Mike.

Fratton Fred · 29-06-2007 04:12PM

Erin Go Brath wrote:

The first thing the journos do is imply its an Irish person who planted the bomb. Fair enough in the 80's maybe, but now theres no justification.

would you like to rethink that?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/1056797.stm

Crude firebomb, sounds familiar.

Fratton Fred · 29-06-2007 04:20PM

Erin Go Brath wrote:

An Englishman, displaying irony at an irishman complaining the English are blaming the Irish for something they didn't do. Now you just have me confused Fred

you know exactly what I meant.

Plissken1 · 29-06-2007 05:44PM

Erin Go Brath wrote:

Quote:
Sources say the device was "massive" and the perpetrators are unlikely to be Irish, suggesting Islamic extremists were the likely suspects.

Oh, those bloody Irish. I'm surprised we didn't get the blame for the floods in Sheffield aswell. :rolleyes:

I was living in London when the IRA were setting bombs all over the place, killing and injuring there own people in the process (yes London was full of Irish, because we all had to emigrate, and who gave us work ??, the English), you wouldnt be so smart if there was bombs going off in Dublin during the 80's and 90's you complete TWAT. The Irish woudlnt be so forgivng either, they never forget a bloody thing always living n the past.

(rant over)

oh look a dog with a fluffy tail !!

jor el · 29-06-2007 06:00PM

Plissken1 wrote:

oh look a dog with a fluffy tail !!

Where <looks around>

Oh, there.

zuutroy · 29-06-2007 06:06PM

Havent read the thread, but I just heard that you're no longer allowed to bring any liquids into your car that over 100ml in size. You'll also have to take off your shoes when getting in

mike65 · 29-06-2007 06:06PM

3 pages on a bomb in London that did'nt go off, nothing on the bomb in Dublin that did explode.

Says it all really. London - safe, Dublin - war-zone.

Mike.

Leon11 · 29-06-2007 06:35PM

just a stunt because Gordon Brown is now PM.

Who cares about the Irish reference, we car bombed them before so obviously they're gonna mention us in news reports.

philstar · 29-06-2007 07:10PM

mike65 wrote:

3 pages on a bomb in London that did'nt go off, nothing on the bomb in Dublin that did explode.

Says it all really. London - safe, Dublin - war-zone.

Mike.

what bomb in dublin??...r u refering to 1974??

Well in fairness they're hardly gonna talk about that..it was 33 years ago

mike65 · 29-06-2007 07:19PM

Nope, 'Crumbling'.

Mike.

Beelzebub · 29-06-2007 07:37PM

Saruman wrote:

I do not know why everyone is so upset over the comment about "perpetrators were not Irish".
I mean at the end of the day, Irish people have bombed London more times than any islamic extremists. Im sure there are people who might have jumped to the conclusion over there and caused trouble among Irish people.

In fact when i walked in the office today i was greeted with "I see the IRA are at it again" so if Irish people jumped to that conclusion then im sure English might too so they are letting people know.

They're not Irish in my book.

Beelzebub · 29-06-2007 07:46PM

seamus wrote:

The more I read about this, the more suspicious I am that this was an exercise in telling the British public, "They haven't gone away you know".

They're claiming that this was a massive and sophisticated explosive (which presumes massive amounts of planning and control), yet the driver lacked the wherewithall to maintain control of his vehicle, crashed it into bins (and then fled), and the police somehow "made it safe".

It all seems a bit too, "Citizens of the UK: You are still in Danger. Don't stop supporting our war effort".

¬_¬

Coincidence that this just happened as Gordon Brown assumed power?

"British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the discovery of the bomb showed Britain continued to face a serious and continuous threat."
This will now give him the ammunition(pun intended, or maybe not) he needs to assign more resources to the 'war on teror'

The war on terror will never be won because there is no war!!!

I will bet that he will do a u-turn on pulling British Soldiers out of Iraq now.

Yes I'm a sceptic.

mike65 · 29-06-2007 08:00PM

UK has been on code orange level alert for 6 months and the next two weeks will see various nutters looking to make thier mark in "celebration" of July 7 2005.

Mike.

philstar · 29-06-2007 08:49PM

the IRA targetted civilians areas lots of times

seamus wrote:

Not at all. Sure Omagh town is just a big British Army compound. I thought everyone knew that...

what a sick comment to make....so that makes it alright for the IRA to plant a bomb in omagh town centre and kill 33 innocent people??

And anyone who says that the IRA never targetted civillians is just fooling themselves (or a sinn fein voter)....what about...

The birmingham pub bombings, guildford pub bombings, harrods bombing, warrington, enniskillen etc not to mention belfast every second week

oh of course i suppose it was the authorities fault for not finding the bombs in time :rolleyes:

mike65 · 29-06-2007 08:57PM

Seamus was ironing I suspect. Either that or he's drunk already.

Anyways a second car has been located with the same mix of fuel, gas and deadly projectiles. At Park Lane underground car park.

Mike.

griffdaddy · 29-06-2007 09:08PM

philstar wrote:

the IRA targetted civilians areas lots of times

what a sick comment to make....so that makes it alright for the IRA to plant a bomb in omagh town centre and kill 33 innocent people??

And anyone who says that the IRA never targetted civillians is just fooling themselves (or a sinn fein voter)....what about...

The birmingham pub bombings, guildford pub bombings, harrods bombing, warrington, enniskillen etc not to mention belfast every second week

oh of course i suppose it was the authorities fault for not finding the bombs in time :rolleyes:

Seamus was obviously being ironic, and I conceded that my statement at first sounded stupid, but then qualified it that i meant in England and recently.

Erin Go Brath · 29-06-2007 10:10PM

Plissken1 wrote:

I was living in London when the IRA were setting bombs all over the place, killing and injuring there own people in the process (yes London was full of Irish, because we all had to emigrate, and who gave us work ??, the English), you wouldnt be so smart if there was bombs going off in Dublin during the 80's and 90's you complete TWAT.

Did you learn that word when you were over in England? I'm sure Mummy is very proud of her little angel.

Deliverance · 29-06-2007 10:15PM

Beelzebub wrote:

Coincidence that this just happened as Gordon Brown assumed power?

"British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the discovery of the bomb showed Britain continued to face a serious and continuous threat."
This will now give him the ammunition(pun intended, or maybe not) he needs to assign more resources to the 'war on teror'

The war on terror will never be won because there is no war!!!

I will bet that he will do a u-turn on pulling British Soldiers out of Iraq now.

Yes I'm a sceptic.

This is the nearest approximation of the facts that I have seen so far. The biggest point so far is that a new gov has just been put into a position of power and decision, in this age of terror attacks it was inevitable that there would be some kind of attack (remember the spanish attacks).

The big question is who did it? It could have been any number of factions, the muslim and irish community are up in defence of themselves. The nature of the attack is incredibly mixed to the point that it could be anyone. That is strange in itself.

The trigger was controlled by mobile phone? The style of attack was new and untracable ie: gas, petrol and nails (can be bought anywhere). The instigation of both attacks were incredibly publicly exposed. The second one was towed away! Were these attempts meant to fail and give a message?

At the moment anyone could be blamed for this attempted attack, from the CIA to some IRA faction to some drunken amateurs with delusions? You could even suspect MI5, reinforcing Gordon Browns new Policies which may justify his new security policies yet to come? To much to soon, to many theories. But the only definate here is a new government.

I think the attack by my instinct is either deliberately ambiguous in the conspiratorial sense or it is a ridiculous dangerous attempt by amateurs, the latter will be caught if this is the case.

I see the war like propaganda moral boosting thing is still in place though, all reports from locals show Londoners laughing it off and clubbing away as usual, gotta love the British propaganda machine if not the public.

Ps if Brown pulls out of the war on Iraq now how would it look? Even if he was intending to anyway.

marco murphy · 29-06-2007 10:39PM

what a sick comment to make....so that makes it alright for the IRA to plant a bomb in omagh town centre and kill 33 innocent people??

False. The Real IRA planted that particullar bomb, not to target civlians.
Read up on the facts.

And anyone who says that the IRA never targetted civillians is just fooling themselves (or a sinn fein voter)....what about...

The birmingham pub bombings, guildford pub bombings, harrods bombing, warrington, enniskillen etc not to mention belfast every second week

The IRA never targetted civilians, however, the pub bombings were downright wrong.

stepbar · 29-06-2007 10:40PM

Knowing 2 friends who live in London and a third who is over there on holidays at the moment, its scary stuff.

29-06-2007 10:45PM

I suppose that the main issue here is that these attempts appear amateurish at the very least, it implies that they could have been carried out by just about anyone who wants to cause chaos in London.

Anyone can obtain sufficient information from the internet (Al-qaeda or school chemistry exam revision websites) or the local library to make such a crude device, then buy an old car with cash (giving the current owner false name).
A security services nightmare.

One day one of these idiots is going to succeed.

Bomb Scare in London

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