True extent of Polish immigration

Owen · 21-06-2007 01:04PM

Dublin1983 wrote:

I have a high level of education

Not to make it personal as that's against the Charter, but claiming you have a high level of education as a means to back up your points, then littering your posts with spelling and grammar mistakes, it doesn't really make your argument more compelling.

TheFlaps · 21-06-2007 01:11PM

brianthebard wrote:

OP are you suggesting that some Polish citizens are arriving here illegally? I find that hard to believe considering the almost total lack of restrictions put on migrants within the EU to Ireland. Why would someone risk coming here illegally when all they need to work here is a passport?

Never suggested that. Its not possibe for a Polish person to be here illegally unless they've skipped bail back home or something like that.

Can we not let this thread like every second one on boards become an argument about grammar and spelling please. Spelling ability is completely unrelated to making an argument so don't bring it up.

When you were a kid (I'll assume for safety's sake you're 18) 10 years ago, our economy wasn't in the condition that it's in currently, and Students would work in those jobs, as well as the less well educated. A huge problem with the Irish people who were willing to work in those jobs at the time was the attitude of 'sure it's only McDonalds', etc., and they wouldn't do the work to the best of their ability. Watch an Eastern European clean a car at a service station, and then watch an Irish person do it in another forecourt. There's a world of difference, they take pride in their work, no matter if it is cleaning toilets.

Thats quite the racist statement. HOw can you say black people are lazy and take no pride in their work?

Dublin1983 · 21-06-2007 01:12PM

ned78 wrote:

Not to make it personal as that's against the Charter, but claiming you have a high level of education as a means to back up your points, then littering your posts with spelling and grammar mistakes, it doesn't really make your argument more compelling.

Ned if u read the post more carefuly you will see that DIGITALLY YOURS said
Tell me your education level then i will think about arguing with you
Do you know how economy works ?

thats what the eduction was reference to.

5starpool · 21-06-2007 01:25PM

Dublin1983 wrote:

Education level- Don’t be so stuck up-digitally-yours- Thats got nothing to do with this Topic. I have a high level of education- im not going justify that to you... Im Just saying that the longer there here the more they will multiple., they will become more and more used to Irish cultre & living and wont bother going back to there own countries...

It doesn't matter what your level of education, if you continue to count Polish people as refugees, and say you are not in favour od large amounts of immigrants who may *shock, horror*, integrate, then it is hard to take your posts seriously.

Owen · 21-06-2007 01:31PM

Dublin1983 wrote:

Ned if u read the post more carefuly you will see that DIGITALLY YOURS said Tell me your education level then i will think about arguing with you Do you know how economy works ? thats what the eduction was reference to.

I'm well aware of that. You responded by claiming that you're very well educated indeed, thus 'proving' your facts must have basis. I was pointing out that your lack of basic spelling and grammatical rules doesn't indicate a high level of education.

If you're going to make arguments on a thread like this, and want us to accept them as facts, then provide sources.

Owen · 21-06-2007 01:33PM

TheFlaps wrote:

Thats quite the racist statement. HOw can you say black people are lazy and take no pride in their work?

Where is the reference to 'black people'?

TheFlaps · 21-06-2007 01:34PM

Wheres the reference or source of your racist assertions Ned?

TheFlaps · 21-06-2007 01:35PM

Watch an Eastern European clean a car at a service station, and then watch a black person do it in another forecourt. There's a world of difference, they take pride in their work, no matter if it is cleaning toilets.

There you go.

digitally-yours · 21-06-2007 01:36PM

Dublin1983

Read here More

Right of permanent residence

Union citizens acquire the right of permanent residence in the host Member State after a five-year period of uninterrupted legal residence, provided that an expulsion decision has not been enforced against them. This right of permanent residence is no longer subject to any conditions. The same rule applies to family members who are not nationals of a Member State and who have lived with a Union citizen for five years. The right of permanent residence is lost only in the event of more than two successive years' absence from the host Member State.

Union citizens who so request receive a document certifying their right to permanent residence. The Member States issue to third country family members permanent residence permits which are valid indefinitely and renewable automatically every ten years no later than six months after the application is made. Citizens can use any form of evidence generally accepted in the host Member State to prove that they have been continuously resident.

Link here for those who want to read more

Owen · 21-06-2007 01:37PM

TheFlaps wrote:

There you go.

That quote isn't from me, my quote says 'Irish'. You've typed in it yourself in a childish attempt to win a debate you're ill equipped to take part in. Post reported as a result of you being a troll, and trying to brand another poster as a racist. I hope you're banned.

TheFlaps · 21-06-2007 01:37PM

Post reported for you for being racist. I'm Irish and I take offense to your racist generalisations of a whole nation.

Owen · 21-06-2007 01:39PM

TheFlaps wrote:

Post reported for you for being racist. I'm Irish and I take offense to your racist generalisations of a whole nation.

How can I be racist against Irish people when I'm Irish myself? You're really loosing this argument, and making a poor impression on boards as a new user.

TheFlaps · 21-06-2007 01:43PM

It doesn't matter where you are from racism is still racism. And you were being racist about Polish people by judging them all to be exellent workers who have pride in menial jobs. How can you judge the opinions of a country of 38 million people? You can't. Racist.

digitally-yours · 21-06-2007 01:46PM

ned78 Just expressed his opinion and anyone is entitled to disagree with him.I dont think there is any racisim in it.Also Ned has a polish GF or Wife so he knows more i have to say

Owen · 21-06-2007 01:47PM

TheFlaps wrote:

It doesn't matter where you are from racism is still racism.

It's not racism when it's a fact. Irish people don't particularly like menial jobs, are embarrassed about working in Fast Food restaurants, and generally work to a poorer standard than other nationalities when working in the lower end of the employment chain.

TheFlaps wrote:

And you were being racist about Polish people by judging them all to be exellent workers who have pride in menial jobs.

To be a racist, you must have a negative opinion about the demographic you're insulting. To praise a nation, and it's citzens is not displaying any form of racism at all, it's quite the opposite.

And before you try to make another post, it would be beneficial to your side of the debate if you'd first answer why you felt the need to alter my post and then pass your lie off as the truth?

Unpossible · 21-06-2007 01:49PM

TheFlaps wrote:

Thats quite the racist statement. HOw can you say black people are lazy and take no pride in their work?

I thought he was talking about irish people not africans

It doesn't matter where you are from racism is still racism. And you were being racist about Polish people by judging them all to be exellent workers who have pride in menial jobs. How can you judge the opinions of a country of 38 million people? You can't. Racist.

easy there, take a deep breath, we don't want this to turn into a flame war

TheFlaps · 21-06-2007 01:53PM

ned78 wrote:

It's not racism when it's a fact. Irish people don't particularly like menial jobs, are embarrassed about working in Fast Food restaurants, and generally work to a poorer standard than other nationalities.

To be a racist, you must have a negative opinion about the demographic you're insulting. To praise a nation, and it's citzens is not displaying any form of racism at all, it's quite the opposite.

And before you try to make another post, it would be beneficial to your side of the debate if you'd first answer why you felt the need to alter my post and then pass your lie off as the truth?

Completely wrong. You really are clueless despite all your patronising remarks.
Its not a fact its a racist opinion and you know it.
And racism can work in both directions. Its all about prejudging a person based on race which is exactly what you have bene doing. I'm sick of people like you who are so quick to call Irish people racists whilst they are in fact jsut as racist themselves.

Dublin1983 · 21-06-2007 01:53PM

flaps im with u brother
Say it Once Say It Loud Im 100% Irish & Proud.

Owen · 21-06-2007 01:55PM

TheFlaps wrote:

And racism can work in both directions.

No it can't. Racism is a negative slur on a social demographic. Praising a nation is not racism.

And you still haven't answered my question, why did you edit my post, lie about it, and then try to pass it off as the truth?

TheFlaps · 21-06-2007 02:04PM

Racism is a negative slur on a social demographic

Thats your ignorant definition of racism but its not the consensus defnition.

Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Negative or positive its still racist. So you are racist on both counts for your appraisal of Irish and Polish workers. Have I surprised you?

I edited your text as I like to show Irish people their racist beliefs by exchanging races in their text. If I had written what you had on another thread and replaced Irish with black you can be sure that you and many others would be screaming at me 'racist scum'. But somehow its meant to be ok the other way around?

Dublin1983 · 21-06-2007 02:08PM

i have noticed that a lot of the people who are in favour to open the gates & let every foreigh national in to the country- come accross as the type of person. who would buy a foreign bride off the Internet.

Owen · 21-06-2007 02:10PM

TheFlaps wrote:

Thats your ignorant definition of racism but its not the consensus defnition.

It's not an 'ignorant' definition. It is a clear, and concise definition.

TheFlaps wrote:

I edited your text as I like to show Irish people their racist beliefs by exchanging races in their text.

Your motivation might be personally driven, but what you did was wrong, and is ban-able offense. You edited my post to make it look like I was making a racial slur against the black/african community of Ireland, and then tried to pass it off as the truth, when the correct thing to do would be to ask if I had an issue with Irish people in general.

The answer you would have been given, in case your curious, is that I love Ireland, and it's people, but I do stand by my statement than in the low-paid sector, Irish people do not work as hard as other Nationalities. I base that opinion, on the company I work for, we have several low paid jobs, and have hired overseas employees as they will do the same job, work harder, and to a higher standard than the previous Irish employees we had performing the same tasks.

zuutroy · 21-06-2007 02:10PM

^^wtf?

Edit: aimed at Dublin1983's last comment

TheFlaps · 21-06-2007 02:15PM

ou edited my post to make it look like I was making a racial slur against the black/african community of Ireland,

So you admit it was a racist slur. Thats fine then, one you realise that. I have no real problem with people saying things like that, I just don't like when its made to be one way traffic. Can't say anything bad about other peoples but its open season on the Irish.

Owen · 21-06-2007 02:20PM

TheFlaps wrote:

So you admit it was a racist slur.

Again, you're taking things out of context, and manipulating posts to your own truth. I said and I quote "you edited my post to make it look like I was making a racial slur against the black/african community of Ireland". That is not an admission of anything, it is in fact an accusation directed at you for being underhanded, and trying to damage my repuation on boards.

Owen · 21-06-2007 02:38PM

Getting back on topic (Phew!) I would imagine it's almost impossible to use website statistics as a litmus test for the growing Eastern European population in Ireland. Figures do change, and on a regular basis. It's not all an influx of population into this country, there are Polish moving back home now that they have earned enough to buy a house/apartment. Several of my Polish friends are back now, home, and happy with the financial security they have brought their families through living away from home.

The diversity of people, and products in Ireland is a welcome boon too. We have a few Polish shops in Cork selling food you'd find in Irish supermarkets, and much much cheaper too, noodles, sweet & sour sauce, rice, bottled water, and it makes a change to find interesting Polish dishes from time to time there too!

brianthebard · 21-06-2007 02:47PM

TheFlaps wrote:

Never suggested that. Its not possibe for a Polish person to be here illegally unless they've skipped bail back home or something like that.

Can we not let this thread like every second one on boards become an argument about grammar and spelling please. Spelling ability is completely unrelated to making an argument so don't bring it up.

By saying there seems to be more polish people here than the figures say you were suggesting that there people here who shouldn't be, or who haven't declared themselves to be living in the country, which would be illegal. But if that's not what you meant then what exactly did you mean?

nesf · 21-06-2007 02:58PM

Enough.

True extent of Polish immigration

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