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concern over eastern european crime?

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  • #62
    griffdaddy
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    Is Ireland's main problem with its road network not commuters at peak hours rather than haulage which occurs at off peak hours anyway? In relation to using Ireland to attract Eastern Countries to the EU, I don't think the governments would be as easily duped as you'd believe. I don't know about their economies taking decades to recover, if you look at somewhere like the Czech Republic, their standard of living and infrastructure seems to be advancing at rocket pace. Take a future EU accession state, Serbia, their economy is also rocketing, now being dubbed the 'Balkan Tiger.' I think people underestimate the difference in culture between eastern and western europe, i've no doubt these people are gonna want to return home once their countries get their shít together, a lot like how Ireland saw a lot of people returning home once our economy stabilised. With regards our strong tertiary sector, it provides huge taxes (although this could be more, in this scenario i guess our low corporation tax is a double edged sword)
    I am a 3rd level student trying to get summer work, there's plenty of jobs around, I haven't looked properly yet, but i could probably be in a job this time next week. I don't think wages have been dropping in Ireland at all since immigrants arrived, maybe for foreigners who get paid under the table they have. I have a fairly limited knowledge of economics, so that's about all I can contribute on this front. But to get back to the actual thread, on a purely personal level, i don't find foreigners to be any trouble at all, they're certainly a whole lot better than previous groups who didn't work.


  • #63
    SimpleSam06
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    griffdaddy wrote:
    In relation to using Ireland to attract Eastern Countries to the EU, I don't think the governments would be as easily duped as you'd believe.
    Who says they are being duped? The EU does provide substantial benefits. And they can use Ireland as a poster child they would not otherwise have to prove that.
    griffdaddy wrote:
    Take a future EU accession state, Serbia, their economy is also rocketing, now being dubbed the 'Balkan Tiger.'
    Well when you are starting from nothing, any advancement is "rocketing". Quoting growth of 12% per annum isn't so impressive when you are talking about a country recovering from war.
    griffdaddy wrote:
    I am a 3rd level student trying to get summer work, there's plenty of jobs around, I haven't looked properly yet, but i could probably be in a job this time next week.
    I have no real figures except immigrant populations in Ireland, almost all of whom must be working. Perhaps its not a problem in your area. Looking at the local papers however, to use another anecdote, I see a great many people putting adverts up as available for work, so its a problem for them.
    griffdaddy wrote:
    I don't think wages have been dropping in Ireland at all since immigrants arrived, maybe for foreigners who get paid under the table they have.
    One trick that is used particularily in the hotel and catering industries is to keep people permanently in "training". That way they can legally pay them whatever they like.


  • #64
    Dr. Seuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Dr. Seuss


    Sounds more like the OP just lives in a sh*t area!


  • #65
    Gran Hermano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    Commander Vimes wrote:
    i heard a woman on joe duffy talking about the poles getting bmw's off the government :D

    You misheard, she said she got up the pole in the back of Joe Duffy's BMW ;):)


  • #66
    SimpleSam06
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    griffdaddy wrote:
    I am a 3rd level student trying to get summer work, there's plenty of jobs around, I haven't looked properly yet, but i could probably be in a job this time next week.
    Just found an interesting thread which puts the lie to this...


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  • #67
    griffdaddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,414 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    SimpleSam06 wrote:
    Just found an interesting thread which puts the lie to this...
    Well it's certainly not a problem for me, I'm starting work tomorrow. (Dublin South) neither is it for any of my friends, they all picked up jobs pretty easily. maybe, as someone pointed out in that thread, students aren't willing to be flexible enough?


  • #68
    SimpleSam06
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    griffdaddy wrote:
    maybe, as someone pointed out in that thread, students aren't willing to be flexible enough?
    Who pointed what out?


  • #69
    griffdaddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,414 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    Se&#225 wrote: »
    Oh i totally agree, I am not a racist in the slightest and love to see non-nationals in Ireland! It's really cool to see... but managers are very willing to employ them because they are here for the long run, will work any hours that are given to them and won't (usually) quit and go back to college in September. So yeah... totally right there.
    I can't really debate this any more because personally i see zero problem with immigration, it doesn't affect me on any basis at all, except that it gives the city I live in a diverse new look and atmosphere.


  • #70
    SimpleSam06
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    griffdaddy wrote:
    I can't really debate this any more because personally i see zero problem with immigration, it doesn't affect me on any basis at all, except that it gives the city I live in a diverse new look and atmosphere.
    Er if you see students going back to college in September as "inflexible", theres nothing more to be said to you...


  • #71
    griffdaddy
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    SimpleSam06 wrote:
    Er if you see students going back to college in September as "inflexible", theres nothing more to be said to you...
    No, i see people who want to work for 3 weeks before they go interrailing/J1/Sun holiday and then want to work 3 weeks when they get back, but can't work Saturdays or Sundays cause they go drinking or whatever at the weekend as inflexible. If I was an employer I'd obviously pick someone who really wants to work there and make money, rather than someone who is using it as a stop-gap, regardless of nationality or race. Just to return to what this thread is about, do you see immigration as a fundamental problem in Ireland?


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  • #72
    Fighting Irish
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    I always look through the local paper here in Carlow to see who's been up in court the past week :) and these days it always seems to be way more foreigners, mostly drink driving and illegal fishing though


  • #73
    SimpleSam06
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    griffdaddy wrote:
    No, i see people who want to work for 3 weeks before they go interrailing/J1/Sun holiday and then want to work 3 weeks when they get back, but can't work Saturdays or Sundays cause they go drinking or whatever at the weekend as inflexible.
    You seem to have a fairly twisted, backward outlook on students as a whole, but even with that, lets just go back to what I said earlier... since the migrants are perfectly willing to accept living conditions that native populations would deem unacceptable, even inhumane... which is exactly what we see here.
    griffdaddy wrote:
    If I was an employer I'd obviously pick someone who really wants to work there and make money, rather than someone who is using it as a stop-gap, regardless of nationality or race.
    Oh hell yeah, employers want as close to slave labour as possible, and migrants are a giant leap in that direction!


  • #74
    griffdaddy
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    SimpleSam06 wrote:
    You seem to have a fairly twisted, backward outlook on students as a whole, but even with that, lets just go back to what I said earlier... since the migrants are perfectly willing to accept living conditions that native populations would deem unacceptable, even inhumane... which is exactly what we see here.
    No, i have a realistic outlook of how students behave, let's not forget that I'm a third-level student in what is probably the biggest course in the biggest college in the state, and I'm involved in a number of societies and student-based organisations. I'm hardly going to lie negatively about the group of people that I am both a part of, and have most in common with. The inhumane conditions are the landlord's responsibility, and if foreigner nationals are willing to put up with them, well that's their prerogative.
    SimpleSam06 wrote:
    Oh hell yeah, employers want as close to slave labour as possible, and migrants are a giant leap in that direction!
    Which employers do? are you championing the cause of foreign workers or bemoaning their detrimental effect on society?


  • #75
    SimpleSam06
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    griffdaddy wrote:
    No, i have a realistic outlook of how students behave, let's not forget that I'm a third-level student in what is probably the biggest course in the biggest college in the state, and I'm involved in a number of societies and student-based organisations.
    Listen baby, for all I know you could be a 42-year old bus driver with a hairy back sitting typing comments in from a sweaty opium den in Zimbabwe. From the unrelated comments in that thread I linked to, students are trying to find work, and simply can't find it, which supports my point of view like clockwork.

    I'll leave it there, since there seems to be a bad dose of gotta-have-the-last-word-itis going around...


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