Irish Citizenship

DonJose · 22-05-2007 09:13PM #1

A friend of mine had a conversation with a Polish guy in work. It seems a lot of the Poles working in Ireland don't plan on staying long. Their plan is to work 5 years, save some money, then apply for Irish citizenship then feck off to the states. Is it really that easy to get Irish citizenship?

Boston · 22-05-2007 09:14PM

You call staying here for five years easy? Have you any idea how expensive it is?

homah_7ft · 22-05-2007 09:18PM

Why do they want Irish citizenship if they are going to the states?

copacetic · 22-05-2007 09:18PM

DonJose wrote:

A friend of mine had a conversation with a Polish guy in work. It seems a lot of the Poles working in Ireland don't plan on staying long. Their plan is to work 5 years, save some money, then apply for Irish citizenship then feck off to the states. Is it really that easy to get Irish citizenship?

how would having irish citizenship allow one to 'feck off' to the states?

DonJose · 22-05-2007 09:19PM

Polish citizens need visas to enter the US, Irish citizens don't.

copacetic · 22-05-2007 09:22PM

DonJose wrote:

Polish citizens need visas to enter the US, Irish citizens don't.

so they are working here for 5 years just so they can enter the states and work illegally?

that's complete rubbish.

KTRIC · 22-05-2007 09:23PM

DonJose wrote:

Polish citizens need visas to enter the US, Irish citizens don't.

I don't know where you get your idea's from !!! Since when did Irish not need a visa to stay / work in the states ??

mikemac · 22-05-2007 09:24PM

If you don't need a visa, did I waste my time getting a J1 visa a few years ago?

I reckon you were lied to-it's a typical "heard this from a friend" story

homah_7ft · 22-05-2007 09:25PM

Well to get in we don't need a visa. This is to visit of course. In reply to your actual question...
If you wish to become an Irish citizen through naturalisation, you must:

Be 18 years or older (you must be married if you are under the age of 18) or,
Be a minor born in the State (from 1 January 2005) and
Be of good character - the Garda Síochána (Ireland's national police) will be asked to provide a report about your background. Any criminal record or ongoing proceedings will be taken into consideration by the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform in deciding whether or not to grant naturalisation. Details of any proceedings, criminal or civil, in the State or elsewhere, should be disclosed in the application form, and
Have had a period of 1 year's continuous reckonable residence in the State immediately before the date of your application for naturalisation and, during the 8 years preceding that, have had a total reckonable residence in the State amounting to 4 years. Altogether you must have 5 years' reckonable residence out of the last 9 years -
Intend in good faith to continue to reside in the State after naturalisation and,
Make a declaration of fidelity to the nation and loyalty to the State

DonJose · 22-05-2007 09:26PM

Eh maybe they plan on staying there illegally. As it is Polish citizens need to apply for a visa to visit the States, its not too easy for a Polish citizen to get a tourist visa. There are a lot more illegal Poles in the states than illegal Irish. With an Irish passport they don't need a visa to enter.

Mossy Monk · 22-05-2007 09:27PM

DonJose wrote:

Polish citizens need visas to enter the US, Irish citizens don't.

Oh really. Do tell me more.

copacetic · 22-05-2007 09:37PM

DonJose wrote:

Eh maybe they plan on staying there illegally. As it is Polish citizens need to apply for a visa to visit the States, its not too easy for a Polish citizen to get a tourist visa. There are a lot more illegal Poles in the states than illegal Irish. With an Irish passport they don't need a visa to enter.

but there are 100s of easier ways of getting into the US than spending five years in Ireland to try and get citizenship?

Dave · 22-05-2007 09:45PM

Eh, y'know the US government is in the process of introducing measure making it MORE difficult to get into the states in any form (and yes Ireland counts, we don't get any special treatment). Also where are people getting this idea that we don't need visas for some reason? Links?

DonJose · 22-05-2007 09:54PM

Dave wrote:

Also where are people getting this idea that we don't need visas for some reason? Links?

The Visa Waiver Program (VWP) enables nationals of certain countries to travel to the United States for tourism or business for stays of 90 days or less without obtaining a visa.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html

Red Hand · 22-05-2007 10:06PM

Don't think they are going to make their fortune in 90 days.

And working illegally in the US may not be such a good prospect if you can work legally in most of the EU?

looksee · 22-05-2007 10:11PM

And if you are there because your (American) employer wants you at head office for three months and you stay 91 days because your (American) employer can't count you are then subjected to lengthy interviews and giving out at immigration, and have to get a visa for all future visits to the States.

tampopo · 22-05-2007 10:18PM

looksee wrote:

And if you are there because your (American) employer wants you at head office for three months and you stay 91 days because your (American) employer can't count you are then subjected to lengthy interviews and giving out at immigration, and have to get a visa for all future visits to the States.

that's if they let you back in after 10 years

brianthebard · 22-05-2007 10:27PM

DonJose wrote:

Polish citizens need visas to enter the US, Irish citizens don't.

That's so wrong it deserves a prize for wrongness.

Boston · 22-05-2007 10:35PM

brianthebard wrote:

That's so wrong it deserves a prize for wrongness.

You're so wrong you should shut the **** up. Go read the thread boyo.

DonJose · 22-05-2007 10:38PM

brianthebard wrote:

That's so wrong it deserves a prize for wrongness.

Ireland is one of 27 countries that qualify for the Visa Waiver Program
http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html

There is no mention of the VWP on the US Embassy in Poland website
http://poland.usembassy.gov/visas/nonimmigrant-visas.html

Giblet · 22-05-2007 10:44PM

Boston wrote:

You're so wrong you should shut the **** up. Go read the thread boyo.

This was reported, but he's right

Dave · 22-05-2007 11:26PM

So what's the deal with the VWP? If you leave the country after on the 89th day lets say, can you just turn around and come back in for another 90 days?

DonJose · 22-05-2007 11:29PM

Dave wrote:

So what's the deal with the VWP? If you leave the country after on the 89th day lets say, can you just turn around and come back in for another 90 days?

You need to enter a non-bordering before returning to the States, so hopping across the board to Mexico or Canada will not count.

Exit · 22-05-2007 11:35PM

Dave wrote:

So what's the deal with the VWP? If you leave the country after on the 89th day lets say, can you just turn around and come back in for another 90 days?

You could try it once maybe, but you're being risky trying it again and again. Soon enough they'll cop on, and then you could be kicked out for a long time. It's illegal to 'live' in a country without actually having residency.

Dave · 22-05-2007 11:53PM

But is there a law stating that you're only allowed spend X number of days in a country as a non-resident without a work visa?

brianthebard · 22-05-2007 11:55PM

Boston wrote:

You're so wrong you should shut the **** up. Go read the thread boyo.

And yet my cousin needed a visa to go there last year?

Exit · 22-05-2007 11:58PM

brianthebard wrote:

And yet my cousin needed a visa to go there last year?

You don't need a tourist visa to enter the US if you're Irish. Sure, can't you just hop on a flight tomorrow if you wanted. Certain countries have to apply beforehand to the US embassy for a tourist visa.

Is your cousin an Irish citizen? Were they intending to work there? Were they intending to spend more than 90 days?

Exit · 22-05-2007 11:59PM

Dave wrote:

But is there a law stating that you're only allowed spend X number of days in a country as a non-resident without a work visa?

I don't know if there's a specific law, but it's certainly frowned upon and will get you in trouble.

brianthebard · 23-05-2007 12:08AM

Exit wrote:

You don't need a tourist visa to enter the US if you're Irish. Sure, can't you just hop on a flight tomorrow if you wanted. Certain countries have to apply beforehand to the US embassy for a tourist visa.

Is your cousin an Irish citizen? Were they intending to work there? Were they intending to spend more than 90 days?

Yes No No.

DonJose · 23-05-2007 12:44AM

brianthebard wrote:

That's so wrong it deserves a prize for wrongness.

You can keep that prize, you won it fair and square

I've been to the States 3 times in the past 12 months, I didn't need a visa and neither did any of my family.

"A non-immigrant visa is required by anyone seeking temporary admission to the United States who is not eligible to travel visa free under the Visa Waiver Program (VWP)."
http://dublin.usembassy.gov/

Irish citizens are eligable to travel to the United States under the Visa Waiver Program.

copacetic · 23-05-2007 01:01AM

brianthebard wrote:

And yet my cousin needed a visa to go there last year?

your cousin didn't. simple as that. have been in and out of the states a pile of times in last few years and never needed a visa..

just admit you made a big fool of yourself and move on! you weren't the only one above in fairness.

this is starting to make donjose look like he had a point when he didn't to begin with. getting into the states with a holiday visa isn't worth spending 5 years in ireland to get citizenship, it doesn't make a lick of sense.

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