Baby obtains gun licence on internet

spooiirt!! · 17-05-2007 06:32PM

On european internet forums i get very annoyed at all the " dumb ass yanks and their guns" statements, its not like theres no violence in europe, eg. consider the IRA, RAF in Germany, and the latest bombing in madrid before you categorize americans as right-wing psychos and europeans as (obviously) superior.

And accordingly, on american discussion forums i get equally enraged by all the " i need to own enough firepower to exterminate my hometown in order to defend myself attitude".

Basically i hate you all!

Boston · 17-05-2007 06:52PM

The-Rigger wrote:

No, I never have :rolleyes:

I believe I said not many. I think it is a fairly low percentage of suicides use that method.

And what? Sticking a shot gun in you mouth is common? There are a lot of legally held firearms in Ireland, yet suicide using them is fairly uncommon. What exactly is your argument for bringing suicide into this? If someone is determined to kill themselves they will fine a way.

The_B_Man · 17-05-2007 06:55PM

there was a garda shot today and killed. apparently it was an accident. to be honest, i'd trust a garda more than a 10 month old baby/14yr old kid to be careful with a gun. in fact, in my opinion, a garda would be around 10 times less likely to be irresponsible with a gun than a 14 yr old. going by this, i definately wouldnt let my kids near a gun.

another point. If the same laws applied to grenades/nukes, would you still train a kid to "use one properly"? dont think so. the possibility of an accident happening should be enough for any responsible parent to not let them near the bombs/guns/etc in the first place.

Dar · 17-05-2007 07:02PM

The_B_Man wrote:

there was a garda shot today and killed. apparently it was an accident. to be honest, i'd trust a garda more than a 10 month old baby/14yr old kid to be careful with a gun. in fact, in my opinion, a garda would be around 10 times less likely to be irresponsible with a gun than a 14 yr old. going by this, i definately wouldnt let my kids near a gun.

Humans don't achieve maturity and responsibility magically by turning 18. These things must be learned. Wrap a child up in cotton wool until they are 18 and you deny them the ability learn maturity and responsibility. Teach a child responsibility early and I'm sure at 14 they will be responsible enough to handle a firearm safely. Do not do so and that child probably couldn't be trusted with a firearm at 20.

The_B_Man · 17-05-2007 07:16PM

what about a trained 48 yr old garda with a family surrounded by other trained gardai at the garda HQ? must be some sorta responsibility there? and yet that still happened.

the most responsible ppl in the world can make mistakes. kids are generally known to have limited life experience by the time they are 14. why would we give such a person a weapon that can kill!! be it a gun, a car, or an airplane!

Dar · 17-05-2007 07:22PM

The_B_Man wrote:

what about a trained 48 yr old garda with a family surrounded by other trained gardai at the garda HQ? must be some sorta responsibility there? and yet that still happened.

the most responsible ppl in the world can make mistakes. kids are generally known to have limited life experience by the time they are 14. why would we give such a person a weapon that can kill!! be it a gun, a car, or an airplane!

You're right. Let's just wrap them up in cotton wool and shield them from the real world. They'll end up immature 'adults' with no concept of responsibility, but hey.

Boston · 17-05-2007 07:22PM

The_B_Man wrote:

what about a trained 48 yr old garda with a family surrounded by other trained gardai at the garda HQ? must be some sorta responsibility there? and yet that still happened.

the most responsible ppl in the world can make mistakes. kids are generally known to have limited life experience by the time they are 14. why would we give such a person a weapon that can kill!! be it a gun, a car, or an airplane!

You don't know anything about garda training or how much respect he had for the weapon. I've heard stories of gardi going onto ranges with absolutely no regard for what they are doing.

sam34 · 17-05-2007 07:29PM

Manic Moran wrote:

Never heard of people slitting their wrists?
We had a guy here deliberately lop off his head with a chainsaw this week.

yep, in my profession i come across them all the time. and wrist-slitting rarely causes death.
and eh, whats the point about the chainsaw? the poster was referring to kitchen knives.

Adyx · 17-05-2007 07:33PM

I know I'd prefer to have a fourteen year old with a license who has been brought up properly with a shotgun then a fourteen year old with no license and an "attitude". Don't get me wrong, the gun laws in America are ridiculous. But a baby getting a license and a shotgun when he's fourteen isn't the problem.

sam34 · 17-05-2007 07:33PM

Vegeta wrote:

Your ignorance is amazing. You do know some of the best marksmen and responsible gun users in this country are teenage kids.

Just because your kids are irresponsible or you were an irresponsible kid doesn't mean that they all are.

Just visit the shooting forum's target shooting pictures thread.

ahem. personal abuse alert.
and no, i dont know that some of the most responsible gun users in this country are teenagers, and pictures on an internet forum will never be evidence of that.
furthermore, the post i was replying to made reference to a 7 (yes, thats SEVEN) year old CHILD being taught how to use a gun. we're talking aboiut someone who doesnt have the coordination to write neatly and clearly, yet theyre being given a lethal weapon.

lastly, you shouldnt assume that i have kids, or that if i do that theyre irresponsible, or that i myself was irresponsible. you know nothing about my backgground so shouldnt go making assumptions like that.

Manic Moran · 17-05-2007 08:37PM

and eh, whats the point about the chainsaw? the poster was referring to kitchen knives.

Just pointing out that people can and have used items which we normally wouldn't consider for carrying out a suicide.

we're talking aboiut someone who doesnt have the coordination to write neatly and clearly, yet theyre being given a lethal weapon.

Excellent: So in addition to being taught responsibility and a proper respect for firearms, they can also practise and develop their eye-hand co-ordination!

I've heard stories of gardi going onto ranges with absolutely no regard for what they are doing.

From the stories my old PDF cadre sergeant was telling me, I don't think the Army's got the best impression of Garda firearms proficiency either. Wasn't the last Garda to be wounded by firearms shot by another Garda as well?

I know I'd prefer to have a fourteen year old with a license who has been brought up properly with a shotgun then a fourteen year old with no license and an "attitude".

Back a few years ago before my emigration to the US (and thus I was still looking at things from the point of view of the dominant Irish mentality), I was visiting a US military facility in Korea. A chap was on the line with his son, about twelve if I recall, and the son was banging away with a 1911 Colt .45 under fairly close supervision. I asked him if he didn't think his kid was a bit young to be shooting a pistol. He responded that he would much rather his son learned about firearms usage and safety from him than from some other boy behind the bike shed at school. I have to say, I had no response to that.

NTM

Clare gunner · 17-05-2007 08:40PM

Kiith wrote:

I dont need first hand legal experience. A 10 month old child got a gun license. Thats reason enough to see how rediculous they are.

And just shows your total bigoted ignorance of what actually goes on over there.It is not as if the father is giving a 10 month old kid a gun,the kid has a permit but not a hope in HELL of actually possesing a firearm until he is 18 at least or 21 for a handgun.That is federal law,not state law.And BTW i was ten 30 odd years ago,a different country then the one we unfortuneatly inhabit now..And yes it is quite common in the US in the midwest and south for farm kids to have their first rifle and shotgun around that age.Along with raising their first pet calf for market or the table....
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing in your case:rolleyes:

Wrist slitting rarely causes death??You obviously aint much of a doctor or whatever either.A proper job is not across the wrist but into the wrist deep and then a 90degree up the arm.
5starpool.
Nope,I am still here,and I never have had or did have any necessity to think about killing myself as a teen or ever.It came down to the fact I could TALK to my parents about bany problems etc.Unlike most parents today who are too self absorbed to look after their kids or their problems.And so,if the kid swallows Mommys sleeping tablets and a bottle of Jack Daniels or robs Dads seris 7 BMW and wears it off a bridge stanction do we say the same .

If you really want to know what child abuse is;give your teen son daughter a high powerd souped up car for their 18 birthday,with crap Irish driving training and let them off in it with no idea of the power or capability.Along with a total ignorance on how to drink responsibily or even drug responsibility as that is all taboo to do,talk or show our little darlings.Shure they will become total knowlegeable adults the moment they turn 18 .
And off they go and wrap themselves around some poor sap coming home or into another bunch of dead heads going the opposite way.
You want carnage that defeats the best gun atroticites ??Look at our roads..We have killed more of ourselves on our roads than gun accidents in the US or here in FOUR years than guns have.
THOSE are the kind of fukwitted parents that should be held responsible.

Lord Oz · 17-05-2007 08:49PM

It doesn't really matter if even 99% of kids are "responsible" with firearms. That 1% that isn't responsible is 1% too many and it's just not worth it. Besides, why do you need a gun in this day and age?

sam34 · 17-05-2007 09:12PM

Clare gunner wrote:

Wrist slitting rarely causes death??You obviously aint much of a doctor or whatever either.A proper job is not across the wrist but into the wrist deep and then a 90degree up the arm.

and my point was that wrist slitting rarely causes death. ie that the majority of slit wriss are superficial lacerations that result in very little injury. so if you take the proportion of people that die from slit wrists as a proportion of all the people that cut their wrists, it is very low, thus making death from slit wrists rare.
and im very highly qualified, actually.
btw, the cut youre describing will not necessarily result in death, its not a guarantee of a "proper job"

KamiKazi · 17-05-2007 09:40PM

someone made a point about more deaths occuring on irish roads than gun-related deaths in the us.

at least the government are trying to stop the carnage on roads, what are the u.s. government doing about the retarded gun laws?

everytime i hear anything about american gun policy i get a mental image of cleetus from the simpsons.

Clare gunner · 17-05-2007 10:15PM

Er lets see what are the Americans doing to sort out there retarded gun laws!

1]Education in public schools in the form of the NRA "Eddie Eagle" gun saftey awareness[If you see a gun dont touch it] type lectures. Ditto for the JFPO "Granpa Jack" gun awareness class lectures.

2] The Barady "instant backround check" to see wether you are a convicted felon,dishonourably discharged from the US armed forces,drug addict,communist,anarchist or other listed group.

3] The NRA firearms saftey courses for hunting and firearms handling.

Oh,well every State can make up it's own laws on firearms possesion and ownership.But the trouble you know it alls miss is that in the US it is a RIGHT,not a privilige like over here to keep and bear arms,sort of like the right to freedom of speech to moan about gun laws.
When the Irish motor industry starts running cheap driver evasion and road handling courses.Give us a shout.

I always get the picture of anti gunners in Europe going on about American gun laws as people who have never set foot in the place,and get all their knowledge on this complex matter from Sky News and the US soap operas.
Sort of the "malcom &cressida"Modern Parents cartoon figures from Viz comics.

Well Sam
Guess you have never REALLY seen a razor blade suicide then have you?
Because most suicides by cutting are just that.You are taking out the main artery in the arms
So apart from arguing pendantics about wrist cutting and slashing?What in your "qualified opinion"is the correct way of offing yourself by cutting your wrists and [ii] will you demonstrate it for us?:rolleyes:
And speaking of making ASSumptions...cast the first stone at yourself. YOU have been making them all thru this post about Americans and gun laws etc.

Lord Oz
Well in that case it is the 1%of kids that are irresponsible drivers and that is too much over here.So lets ban anyone from driving until they are 40.And what do you need a car for that can go over 120kmh these days??
Why would you want a gun..plenty of reasons.

sam34 · 17-05-2007 10:45PM

Clare gunner wrote:

Well Sam
Guess you have never REALLY seen a razor blade suicide then have you?
Because most suicides by cutting are just that.You are taking out the main artery in the arms
So apart from arguing pendantics about wrist cutting and slashing?What in your "qualified opinion"is the correct way of offing yourself by cutting your wrists and [ii] will you demonstrate it for us?:rolleyes:
And speaking of making ASSumptions...cast the first stone at yourself. YOU have been making them all thru this post about Americans and gun laws etc.QUOTE]

ive seen a few actually. but ive seen lots more attempts to do it that way that have failed, because, as ive ststed, its not common to die by wrist cutting.
and practice what you preach about assumptions.

Clare gunner · 18-05-2007 11:17AM

Didnt answer my question on how a sucide should be done properly?:D
Tell all,as a qualified doctor???? you should know.... so inform us ignorant redneck American gun owners.
Now are we going to debate this somwhat [ir]ationally or we going to go and trade kindergarten level insults?:rolleyes:

Victor · 21-05-2007 12:03AM

Manic Moran wrote:

Oh, and you'll note the name is 'Moran'

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/n/U/moran.jpg

Jesus Wept · 21-05-2007 12:12AM

Boston wrote:

And what? Sticking a shot gun in you mouth is common? There are a lot of legally held firearms in Ireland, yet suicide using them is fairly uncommon. What exactly is your argument for bringing suicide into this? If someone is determined to kill themselves they will fine a way.

Try reading rather than ranting, I didn't bring suicide into this, I was responding to someone elses comments, he mentioned it.

Pay attention.

Anyhow, It was wrong of whoever mentioned suicide, guns have more use than for shooting people and things, they make grand paperweights too.

Wompa1 · 21-05-2007 12:44AM

I don't mind the American gun laws, I would blame the parents more than the availability of the guns because I believe in this country though obviously not as easy if someone wants a gun they'll get one. Valid point about the roads here ClareGunner, the souped up car morons are a pretty big threat. Sure let them have thier guns and shoot them too!

Baby obtains gun licence on internet

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