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What's your favourite Star Trek Series?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭egon spengler


    TNG, you wouldnt have a french philosophizing captain with an english accent commandeering a starship in american tv today. Brilliant characters, I liked the fact that the show was so philosophical and sophisticated in its interpretation of social/political issues. Best starship design imo. Plus the borg, brilliant species, hasnt been rivalled since.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 DCU|Robby


    But therer were some gay aspects to it aswell.

    ie. Dudes wearing skirts in early seasons, the whole utopia thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 87 ✭✭The Long Fellow


    For me, Voyager is the best version by a good distance.
    I have seen bits of the other series, and have seen next gen quite alot, but for me (not being a Huge ST fan) it's the only one i'd be prepared to buy the dvd of, though i won't be doin that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    ivan087 wrote:
    Best Looker: the asian communications officer in enterprise
    *cough* 7 of 9 *cough*


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 563 ✭✭✭robnubis


    Screw 7 of 9, Martina Sirtis (troi) for teh sex!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34 TuneR


    It would be DS9 vs TNG for me. TNG wins out cause it had a better ending, i mean WTF is with the second hour of DS9 ending!!!! Voyager had a kick ass ending as well but the rest of the series wasn't up to the previous years Star Treks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 393 ✭✭Dickmcsavage


    For me its always gonna be TNG. The characters characters are so much better than any of the other series although I must admit its the only series that ive seen almost every episode of. Ive tried watching DS9 and voyager but I never got hooked. The stories never really grabbed my attention TBH. My mate keeps at me to watch DS9 though and claims that you have to give it a while before you get into it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19 smilydude


    Never really got into DS9 at all...absolutley loved TNG, grew up with it so it brings back good memories even now. Voyager being a close second though I think they ruined the Borg but the 7 of 9 character development aswell as the Doctor's personal development was extremely well treated.

    I hate Enterprise with a vengeance, I found Archer an unconvincing captain and Bakula's acting really bland in places.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Big Tone


    TNG for me from Season 3 onwards and the movies were very good too especially First Contact, Generations and Nemesis (pity about the ending :( ) were ok. I enjoyed the plot and sub-plots of each episode, easy to pick it up if you missed one unlike DS9 where ya had to follow it weekly, I did like the Tribbles episode where they went back to Kirks time and they saw the old Klingons, Warf was asked about the change in appearance since kirks time to which Warf answered (paraphrasing here) "Dont ask its embarassing" :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 Bllasae


    1.)Voyager:D
    2.)The Next Generation
    3.)Deep Space Nine
    4.)Enterprise
    5.)The Original Series


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,905 ✭✭✭User45701


    Ah I Dont belive it for the first time since i made this thread over 2 years ago TNG has taken the lead from DS9 Noooooo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    smilydude wrote:
    Never really got into DS9 at all...absolutley loved TNG, grew up with it so it brings back good memories even now. Voyager being a close second though I think they ruined the Borg but the 7 of 9 character development aswell as the Doctor's personal development was extremely well treated.

    I hate Enterprise with a vengeance, I found Archer an unconvincing captain and Bakula's acting really bland in places.

    This accurately reflects my opinion. I'm amazed at the number of DS9 votes. I tried and tried and just couldn't get into that show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    User45701 wrote:
    Ah I Dont belive it for the first time since i made this thread over 2 years ago TNG has taken the lead from DS9 Noooooo
    party time. :p
    stop, we have a winner. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭egon spengler


    But therer were some gay aspects to it aswell.

    ie. Dudes wearing skirts in early seasons, the whole utopia thing.

    yar, the skirts thing is disturbing. I think it only lasted as far as the pilot episode. Also Wesley Crusher was another bad aspect to the series. The utopian thing I quite liked if by that you mean the way everything is so perfect in the federation...although the episode where they land on the paradise planet and wesley gets tried for murder...(laughably bad, and why is dr.crusher treating data, I thought it was geordi who was best qualified to deal with positronic malfunctions since he was an engineer. Plus in I Borg, Hugh refers to himself in the first person when learning about names before he understands what individuality is. Inconsistencies!

    Playing a character like data would conceivably take considerable acting skills. Obviously data cant be completely emotionless, at times he expresses bewilderment, an emotion and so forth. This is to make the character interesting but brent spiner had to play it in a subdued subtle way so that we could still see him as an android.

    Voyager is competent. I think at times it turned into the 7 of 9 show but there were some good characters and episodes.

    DS9 I found boring, they didnt go anywhere and the first couple of series were very dull. Meh it was alright but the Bajoran ambassador or whoever she was who plummets to her death in the final episodes is one of the most annoying characters in star trek.

    And TOS is always watchable. The episode where kirk and co get imprisoned in a dungeon with the wizard aliens...my god the special effects in that were even worse than usual (with the cat made to seem bigger than it was and the aliens revealed in their true forms at the end, they made absolutely no effort to hide the strings!, worst special effects episode ever).

    I find I can watch enterprise as its quite enjoyable. Still sending your first starship crew out in boiler suits doesnt make much sense unless you really want to emphasize the back to basics nature of the series. Also the theme tu

    ne sucked, uber **** cheesy american rawk. ugh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 60 ✭✭-DuMbGuM-


    Definatly TNG.. favourite episode us probably Frame Of Mind

    2nd Enterprise

    The Original Series is pretty funny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,800 ✭✭✭county


    Voyager for me,new generation 2nd,
    never really got into the others


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭triple h


    DEEP SPACE 9. everything about it was awesome.
    only 2 bad stories ----dax's wedding to worf-- worst star trek episode ever and the episode in the early years when they had to hop out of a room they were trapped in. that was only 2 mistakes DS9 made, not bad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    Definitely TNG for me. Easily the best characters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,905 ✭✭✭User45701


    aidan24326 wrote:
    Definitely TNG for me. Easily the best characters.

    *Cough* Wesley *Cough*

    It did introduce the borg tho but generations, FC, Insurrection and Nemesis where just not as good as the originals like Wrath Of Khan or Undiscovered Country


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭bizmark


    User45701 wrote:
    *Cough* Wesley *Cough*

    It did introduce the borg tho but generations, FC, Insurrection and Nemesis where just not as good as the originals like Wrath Of Khan or Undiscovered Country

    Generations insurrection and nemesis are better films than Star trek 1 ,3 ,5 and first contact is easly the best star trek film ever made.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,905 ✭✭✭User45701


    FC is a good movie and it has agreat music i do love the short peice that plays as the cube flys twars earth just before it gets hit by he first 2 torpedos but then the music after the 1st impact and the battle is only decent enough.

    Still tho u cant beat KHHHAAAAAAAAN!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭L31mr0d


    TNG all the way ;) and heres my reasons.

    TOS: I can't really judge it as i've only seen maybe 25 episodes of it, but from what I did, I just couldn't bring myself to believe it, it was just too camp and the aliens, ships and locations all looked worse than the ones they NOW use in Dr. WHO :eek:

    TAS: never seen it? didn't realise until this thread that there was one

    DS9: IMHO, it seemed like a soap opera version of TNG, the station was the coronation st of space ;) it had its romances, its underhanded scoundrals and the occasional passerby. It was like they had to wait for the action to come to them, the defiant should of been introduced from the outset, rather than just commuting around in runabouts. To much exploration, not enough fighting. It got good in the last season though.

    VOY: Didn't like the crew dynamic, can't really explain why, just didn't work as well as TNG, it had its moments, but I really despised Janeway, She was like a man with breasts :p The only saving grace for me was the doctor, I enjoyed everyone of his episodes.

    ENT: Never got into it, wish I had, but I only watched one or two episodes here and there per season then forgot about it. I think I would of rathered a leap forward in time rather than a leap back.

    TNG: I guess i'm a little biased as there is a certain nostalga associated with tng as I grew up watching it, and have watched the reruns every since. My other half is constantly amazed that I can watch 10 seconds of any episode, any season and tell you the storyline, its sad but true :rolleyes: The characters where excellently developed, although I do think it went a little overboard in the last season. I can admit I went to a few conventions in my youth and watching preview showings of the likes of generations or genesis where excellent. The biggest factor for me though was the fact that I could believe it, the history, the technology, the dynamics where all believeable. The movies, however, where utter muck :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,905 ✭✭✭User45701


    i grew up watching TOS when i was 5...... but i still don't think the one i grew up watching was the best.

    TNG was good but some episodes where terrible, also the way u can watch 10 seconds and know i can do that in 10 and with every single series except maybe TAS and some TOS`s ive only seen once.

    DS9 i loved because it was a good story arc, TNG was like a different story every week with not much in the way of major character changes
    DS9 was also the 3rd most nominated drama series ever


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    L31mr0d wrote:
    My other half is constantly amazed that I can watch 10 seconds of any episode, any season and tell you the storyline, its sad but true :rolleyes:
    Guilty of that myself :D

    It's also one of the few shows that I'll still want to watch, even after explaining the entire plot of the episode to whoever's listening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭L31mr0d


    TNG was laid out a lot like other US series at the time, like the Xfiles for example, each week was a completely different story, but every few episodes they would come back to an underlying subplot and expand it more (deepthroat, the cancer man.. etc) They did the same with TNG (Troy and Riker, Data, Lore and his father, Picard & the borg...etc).

    DS9 seemed to come out at a time when shows started to become more linear (we can see this now in the likes of 24, Prison break, lost) and each week developed ONLY the plot, although DS9 still had its moments where the subplot was ignored. It comes down to what you like more of, TNG did a lot of development on what was out in space, DS9 did a lot of development into characters and different races. Each attracted the viewers, but I doubt anybody could like each equally as the premise tackled the idea of space exploration from 2 very different approachs (i.e. go out an explore and find races or position ourselves in a place that races will come to us)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,399 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    For me it's got to be either Voyager or TNG. Unfortunately there was a time when I missed almost a full series of DS9 and when I returned there was evil Cisco and other evil characters...I was completely lost and didn't really watch it after that.

    Looking back at TNG it already looks really dated to me! If I ever have kids I can see them looking at it and laughing loudly at the fact that it was once considered hi-tech and futuristic much the same as me today with TOS :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭egon spengler


    r3nu4l wrote:
    For me it's got to be either Voyager or TNG. Unfortunately there was a time when I missed almost a full series of DS9 and when I returned there was evil Cisco and other evil characters...I was completely lost and didn't really watch it after that.

    Looking back at TNG it already looks really dated to me! If I ever have kids I can see them looking at it and laughing loudly at the fact that it was once considered hi-tech and futuristic much the same as me today with TOS :)

    Im not so sure, the first series looks terribly dated in places but the special effects are still competent, the stop motion for the bug creatures in that rubbish episode where they eat worms for example is dated but the episode where they encounter "god" who looks after the edo, the sphere which is meant to represent this god like being looks pretty good. Definately the med lab looks a bit cheesy though. and the episode where they get turned into kids due to a transporter malfunction - when they view a schematic of the enterprise, it looks terrible, the polygon count and resolution is so low, I find it hard to imagine why computer graphics now are actually better than those in the 24th century. But other than that it still passes muster somewhat. Special effects really havent improved that much since 1997. Starship troopers looks like it could have been made yesterday. Although I tend to agree that tng is dated in places and very cheesy for the first season, not so much the 2nd where the cheese started to ebb away.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    DS9 closely followed by TNG. But nothing beats the fifth season of DS9.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,905 ✭✭✭User45701


    actually for me it was the 4th season because i watched the first season of ds9 then i dont know what happened

    (i actually don't know there is a dead spot in my memory from back then im missing about 2/3 years of my memory but i do know that i didn't watch ds9 for those 2/3 years)

    anyway i remember seeing an add on TV for the VHS of Season 4 episode 1 "the way of the warrior" so i bought the VHS and it was savage (funny story every time i try to type VHS i type DVD and have to back over it and change it)

    anyway the 4th season got me back into it but given choice it would have to be season 6 because of the episode on Romulus or some of the later episodes on cardassia actually the episode where the breen entered the war!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    I may be mistaken but I think the Breen entered the war in the 7th season.

    The 4th season was intended as a kind of reboot and brought in a lot of new viewers I reckon, especially with the addition of Worf, who got much better stories then he ever got in TNG.

    The quality of the 6th season was very inconsistent imo but it had some of the show's best episodes, like In The Pale Moonlight, Far Beyond the Stars, Rocks and Shoals. The biggest problem was the writer's really hit the wall in terms of what Berman & Paramount were going to let them away with.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,905 ✭✭✭User45701


    it was the 7th season as far as i remember it was 5 episodes before the last which means that they where in it for 7 episodes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭cold_filter


    Biased but TNG was really good, i really like the seasons 4-7 on DS9 with the klingons and then the war with the dominion my fav episode is where the federation is going to take back ds9 and the kilngons cant spare any ships, wham then halfway through they appear predicatable but great stuff.

    I loved enterprise as it wouldnt be too far away from what we'd be like if we were floating around space now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,905 ✭✭✭User45701


    enterprise had some good episodes i liked the 2nd or 3rd episode it had a unknown alien ship extracting something similar to the human adrenal gland from dead aliens and i have an ider (yes ider) that that was a breen ship but it ws never revealed what species it was.

    I know the episode of ds9 you refer to it was
    Episode 6 Sacrifice of angels
    also known as
    VHS tape no 6.3 (episode II)

    Its a good episode but i still like "In the Pale Moonlight" the most along with "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" both Amazing episodes

    also of note

    Treachery, Faith and the Great River
    Once More Unto the Breach
    The Siege of AR-558
    The Changing Face Of Evil
    What you leave behind


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Rawr!


    My favourite is Voyager... I just love it.... Like.. I was first of all thinking about the "friendship" between the Cap'ain and Chakotay.... and sher then in the end doesn't Chakotay fall fer Seven!!!

    In CLOSE second I love Next Generation.... Patrick Stewart.. What a man eh?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Kwekubo


    The Next Generation for the win. Haven't seen any TAS though, and only ever caught 3 quarters of a DS9 episode, so I can't really comment about them.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 163 ✭✭Darnell13


    Gotta be TNG, and i think it's more to do with the general likeability of the crew. All of them were great (as long as Wesley kept his trap shut). Loved DS9, quite liked that crew too. Esp Odo, Sisko and Quark. And the space-scraps:)

    I'm suprised so few people voted for TOS. This is probably my second favourite (joint, tied with DS9). Prime directive, my arse, as Kirk would probably have thought.

    Liked Voyager, but didn't love it. I just found some of the crew a bit irritating.

    And Enterprise never really grabbed me. I must give it another shot.

    TAS used to be on Sky in the mornings, don't remember being too impressed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭gdez


    I've already stated that my Favourite is DS9 & that it's closely followed by TNG.
    But i just wanted to say how much i loved the arc in season 6 when The Federation plotted an attack to re-take DS9 after The Cardassians with the help of The Dominion took control of it after the federation were forced to abandon it in the last episode of season 5.
    That was probably the most exciting arc in the history of Star Trek & it had me glued to my seat every week.

    Also I thought Enterprise was starting to get really good (after a slow start) & i was quite disappointed when it was cancelled as it looked to have the potential to rival the other series.
    It certainly out shined Voyager in it's 4 short seasons.

    Plus any1 who said that they preferred Voyager over DS9 or TNG is NOT A TRUE STAR TREK FAN!!!


    1): DS9
    2): TNG
    3): TOS/ENT
    4): TAS
    5): VOY


  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭LilKitty


    Totally TNG:D but also liked most of the series. Enterprise sucked though, they could've so much more with the story but they just did the same boring old thing!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭triple h


    DS9 closely followed by TNG. But nothing beats the fifth season of DS9.

    agree 100%


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭gipi


    Another DS9 fan here - just loved how deep and dark it got (as well as the odd lighter episode to keep the faith!!).

    Fav DS9 episode anyone? Gotta be "Far beyond the Stars"!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭triple h


    if you can just imagine a graph chart for a minute ( this is the way i can see it) and you got a different colour marker to rep. each star trek, this is how it will look
    kirk & the boys
    stayed at the same level ( give or take) all the time.
    TNG
    slow to take off, but season 3 to end of season 5 jumped up, it dipped a bit in the last two seasons.
    DEEP SPACE 9---the chart just kept going up and up and up and up......
    Voyager---started really high and kept going down and down and down.....
    Archer and the boys---like kirk, just stayed the same all the time.

    favouite deep space nine, i reckon season 6 & 7 were better than season 5, but i still rank season 5 my favourite cause thats when the chart went of the page.

    The one image that comes to my mind when i think of deep space nine is the image of ROM setting of the alarms cause ODO ( who was off pulling shapes in his room ) forgot to turn the alarms off and then KIRA goes marching to ODO and bangs the buzzer on his door. forget the name of that episode.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,729 ✭✭✭Pride Fighter


    DS9 is by far the worst trek. Especially before the defiant was introduced. Still a great series though. They all rule. I think it goes in this order, The original series 1st, the next generation a close 2nd, voyager and enterprise tie for third with DS9 last. I have seen every episode of Star Trek at least 5 times (for every one not just the original). However I have seen none of the animated series. Its never been on telly in the recent past (to my Knowledge). I read that they put a few episodes intended for phase two in it and that it has some great ideas. Can anyone tell me where they can be watched online?


  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭LilKitty


    DS9 is by far the worst trek. Especially before the defiant was introduced. Still a great series though. They all rule. I think it goes in this order, The original series 1st, the next generation a close 2nd, voyager and enterprise tie for third with DS9 last. I have seen every episode of Star Trek at least 5 times (for every one not just the original). However I have seen none of the animated series. Its never been on telly in the recent past (to my Knowledge). I read that they put a few episodes intended for phase two in it and that it has some great ideas. Can anyone tell me where they can be watched online?

    How can you like Enterprise over DS9? It's by far the worst Star Trek series ever made! They attempted to rewrite the Star Trek history numerous times(like with the first contact between the Frengi and the Klingons) and they even got as pathetic as having shower scenes of the Vulcan chick! Ok, I'm not really trying to have a go at you but I just can't fathom how any of the other Star Trek series were worse!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 amqc


    Voyager is the best by far, . the most contemporary and not so stuck up themselves, they decided NOT to have a councilor as a bridge officer!


  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭LilKitty


    amqc wrote:
    Voyager is the best by far, . the most contemporary and not so stuck up themselves, they decided NOT to have a councilor as a bridge officer!

    As far as I can tell TNG was the only show to have a councilor as a bridge officer and the whole point of her being on the bridge so much was because she was an empath so it made sense for her to be there to sense things. Besides how on earth could Voyager have a councilor as a bridge officer anyway, they didn't even have one! Oh and my the way she did put in the hard yards to earn her uniform in the end!

    Yes they had a female as a captain but she was such a boring character that it hardly mattered and the writers couldn't even agree on her personality half the time, one episode she's be banging on about the prime directive and in the next one she'd be openly ignoring it so her crew could increase their chances of getting home!

    Having said that I actually like Voyager but TNG is my fav.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,729 ✭✭✭Pride Fighter


    LilKitty wrote:
    How can you like Enterprise over DS9?

    I can like enterprise over DS9 as DS9 is a hit and miss series with episodes being either the most awful Trek episodes ever or some of the best sci-fi around. Enterprise was more consistent entertainment in my view.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭NeoSlicerZ


    My favourite's definately DS9, admittedly the first 2 seasons were crap, and it only really got started in the fourth but there were such gems in there, "The Visitor" remains the only tv episode / film or what not to make me cry. I loved how dark DS9 was, twisted morals, behaviour. TNG was .... a bit too goody two shoes for me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭LilKitty


    I can like enterprise over DS9 as DS9 is a hit and miss series with episodes being either the most awful Trek episodes ever or some of the best sci-fi around. Enterprise was more consistent entertainment in my view.

    You choose your fav Star Trek series on consistency? What if some is just consistently boring?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭LilKitty


    NeoSlicerZ wrote:
    My favourite's definately DS9, admittedly the first 2 seasons were crap, and it only really got started in the fourth but there were such gems in there, "The Visitor" remains the only tv episode / film or what not to make me cry. I loved how dark DS9 was, twisted morals, behaviour. TNG was .... a bit too goody two shoes for me.

    TNG was more goody two shoes than DS9 but not as much as Voyager.

    I actually like the early episodes more because the last few seasons were just like one big episode and I wasn't into the huge war stuff going on for so long. I guess I'm one of those trekkies that's more interested in the exploration aspect of Star Trek than the wars aspect.


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