[US/IRL] 3x18 - "D.O.C. [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

Hyzepher · 26-04-2007 02:37AM #1

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "D.O.C." -

Episode Title: "D.O.C."
Airdate: April 25th 2007

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

Sun allows Juliet to examine her when she learns that all of "The Others'" pregnant women died before they gave birth on the island. Meanwhile, Desmond and an unlikely nemesis collaborate to save a new island inhabitant's life.

Next New Episode: 3X19 -

"The Briig."

- May 2nd 2007

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This episode shall air on:

ABC (US) - April 25th 2007
Sky One (UK/IRL) - April 29th 2007
RTÉ2 (UK/IRL) - April 30th 2007

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PullMyFinger! · 26-04-2007 02:42AM

6

You just beat me to it

Where's Basq?

Hyzepher · 26-04-2007 02:46AM

Brilliant episode. Lots going on.

The return of Mikhail - back from the dead!!
The helicopter chick looks like she can speak many languages and the correct one to the correct person.
Flight 815 was found at another location and everyone dead - so she wasn't looking for them.
Sun's baby is Jin's - conceived on the Island.
Julieete working to some agenda - getting samples of the women back to Ben. Looks like she is doing so under durese - hates Ben apparently.

The helicopter chick is going to be key I think. She says things that Mikhail seeems to understand but wants to keep secret. I wonder what he was running away from or was he trying to locate the pilot as well - maybe he called her? Mikhail all but confirmed that the island heals - even physical wounds created on the island.

Not too sure of the relevance of Sun's flashback - only to reveal that she knew about Jin's parents etc. and the blackmail. It does reveal why Sun's father wanted Jin to work with him though.

Hyzepher · 26-04-2007 02:47AM

btw - D.O.C. = Date of Conception

PullMyFinger! · 26-04-2007 02:57AM

6

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh. I come back in to see if you were replying to my question about Basq and I read a huge feckin' spoiler on your first line

My own fault but still

Basq · 26-04-2007 08:41AM

Flicked down through this with my eyes averted and missed any spoilers. Phew!

Thanks Hyzepher for posting this. Completely forgot about it last night.

riddik · 26-04-2007 09:18AM

quite good episode, theyre picking up momentum now for the finale. liked mik's return, he's a good chracter. loved the start where they said 'no one knows we're here' and hurleys blasts d flare gun! hopefully they keep going with these interesting eps instead of filler til the end of season. 8/10

Ste.phen · 26-04-2007 09:19AM

7

In other news, looks like Kate's pregnant.

damnyanks · 26-04-2007 09:55AM

They want to check if shes pregnant

I reckon she's some sort of other. Why else would she say they are all dead.

abelard · 26-04-2007 10:16AM

7

Another solid episode, as said above a good few things going on.

Bit of a shock at the end there. I guess Portuguese woman must either be just lying, or there's a cover up going on. That or they are actually all dead (I know the producers said it's not purgatory, but maybe they are taking some different angle on them being dead), although at this stage I really hope not, as it would be an awful premise.

"I hate you" -> brilliant line, Juliet definitely not working fully with the others, I guess she'll either betray Ben and stick with the survivors, or play them against each other and do her own thing.

Nice to see Mikhail back too, I don't think his stumbling across Desmond and co. was just coincidence, and I'd say we'll get one of those scenes in a future flashback that will tie in with this scene and reveal what he was up to.

Sun's flashback a bit meh, but not too bad.

Pretty happy on the whole, probably about a 7 or 8 I think

doonothing · 26-04-2007 10:22AM

great job! coupla "omfgz like wtf" moments which is what i love about lost!
a leeeetle bit of me is scared that the plane they found WAS theirs... that better not have been the big reveal of the show! doubtful but scary....

Hyzepher · 26-04-2007 10:37AM

I suppose the biggest question in the episode centres around Mikhail and whether he was dead after going through the fence. I can't see how he would stage blood coming out of his ears or the foam out of his mouth. His ressurection might also explain why he shot the other black girl up at the communications hut. Maybe they know that people cant be revived - but this contradicts the fact that the pregnant women stay dead. Not to mention Ethan, the girl Sun shot and the guy who Julieete shot. I suppose I'll lean towards Mikhail tricking the Losties - but the fence did seem to emit something.

God this show is confusing at times!

Kanney · 26-04-2007 11:46AM

6

The fence burst his ear drums. Thats why he asked Charlie "What?" and held his ear.
When the woman (naomi) says Thank You to Mikhaeil, shes actually saying, "I'm not alone" (been translated elsewhere)
She isnt there to find 815ers, shes there for Desmond.
I thought Sun was gonna follow Juliet back into the hatch, yeesh Sun, that was the most obvious thing ever.

Faith · 26-04-2007 12:06PM

7

Omg wtf?

Great episode, actually. I do love it when I'm watching it, saying repeatedly "WHAT?".

So many questions... Is Kate pregnant? What's up with the plane having been found with no survivors? How is Mikhaeil still alive? Etc.

Gingervitis · 26-04-2007 12:12PM

Nice bit of Kung fu fighting by Jin, stereotypical but how bad, i guess that's wht they teach you in the army...anyone got the all the translations, somehow i don't really trust Mikhail:rolleyes:

have a theory about her saying they're all dead: you know the way there's been reference to time being different on the island, maybe there's also a link with Ben's link up to the real world

, remember that godawful film Deja Vu with that retarded wormhole/spacetime continuum viewing crap

, so anyway i'm kinda totally losing the run of myself, but maybe by the time she got there, in the real world they'd already been found and killed?

seriously hope that's not the case, one instance where I'd be glad to proven wrong

Snake Plisken · 26-04-2007 12:13PM

7

Yeah I'd give this a solid 8, Sun backstory was only ok, Good to see Mikhail back, as Kanny says it was probably his ear drums that bled, but the island probably fixed him. Naomi statement at the end was a bit of a shocker, maybe it was reported in the news that they found the wreck, but maybe it was a coverup.

Anyway a solid 8

Snake

Hyzepher · 26-04-2007 12:19PM

Kanney wrote:

The fence burst his ear drums. Thats why he asked Charlie "What?" and held his ear.

He didn't seem to have a problem hearing up to that point.

Kanney · 26-04-2007 12:22PM

6

More than likely a cover up, so The Others/ DHARMA wouldn't have people searching for the plane and find the island.

damnyanks · 26-04-2007 12:24PM

So that would mean desmond and the other others are still alive? Whta about ecko, sur ehe only got beat up.

dan_y · 26-04-2007 12:42PM

815 being found has to be a cover-up. whoever is running things behind the scenes is tying up loose ends and trying to keep suspicion away from thier island. sounds like something penny's father could arrange.

dan_y · 26-04-2007 12:45PM

Hyzepher wrote:

He didn't seem to have a problem hearing up to that point.

you can still hear with burst ear drums, just not very well - and I think he was just trying to goad charlie. up until then they'd mostly been shouting at him anyway, which was handy.

BKtje · 26-04-2007 01:02PM

can't see how he would stage blood coming out of his ears or the foam out of his mouth.

Could it be the black smoke mimicking a person again for its own ends?

PullMyFinger! · 26-04-2007 01:03PM

6

Those last few seconds were pure Season 1 when it was in its prime :eek:

upmeath · 26-04-2007 02:40PM

8

Sorry folks, I watched this 3 hours ago and I'm still on a high, it gets 9/10 from me, best episode this season for me.
Mikhail still alive
Juliet starting to show signs that she may yet become a Lostie... or will she?
Plane has been found with all passengers dead... either the island moves very slowly in time, and the series ends with all passengers dying, or the Others/Widmore/Paik organised for a plane wreck full of charred bodies to be planted on some other island for the world to find. Maybe the pilot was killed and taken there

Hyzepher · 26-04-2007 03:55PM

The plane being found as a cover-up doesn't sit well with me. Surely if no one can see the island then after a while they searchers would assume the plane crashed and it now at the bottom of the sea - especially as it was 1000 miles off course. Why would anyone go to the trouble of faking a plane plus bodies etc for nothing - it only adds risk that someone would suss it out

damnyanks · 26-04-2007 04:45PM

Yup as thye have a variety of ways to identify bodies so they'd have to be messed up big time.

Haven't a Clue · 26-04-2007 06:19PM

7

Well, well. Seems as though I was mistaken in my prediction that this'd be a load of ****e. Not fantastic, but a good episode nonetheless.

For me, the whole "who's the daddy" question was already answered before the eppy. Like, if they've been on the island for 90 days, Sun would have gotten pregnant three months before the ultrasound yoke. She would've been showing some sign of a bump at that stage you'd think. Also decent news that she's gonna be killed off by the looks of things halfway through next season. That'll be a sad death, for a change, cause they other ones have usually left me overjoyed.

The flashbacks were nothing great. I liked Jin's auld man though. Don't understand why Sun gave the one money instead of just threatening to kill her if she said anything to Jin.

Bit pissed off with Mickael popping back in and popping back out again. The fact that he did so without an explanation as to how he survived also pissed me off.

Found the references to the island's healing powers interesting as well. Mickael saying the parachutist'll only take a day to be grand and Sun saying your sperm count quintuples on the island. Still no clues as to how that is, but with the way they're throwing in so many references now, I doubt if it'll be long before we find out.

The ending was class though. There's been some deadly cliffhangers of late, i.e. "Dad?" and "I'll see you in a week", but this beat the two imo. There's so many theories we can get out of it:

The plane crash wasn't just Desmond forgetting the button. That plane was meant to crash at that time because someone with great authority (Widmore?) wanted it to happen. The fact that they're claiming they're all dead proves its a cover up.

Good auld purgatory again. Well, if she claims they're all dead, maybe they are.

Maybe they're only presuming everyone's dead because they can't find the island. Lazy bastards.
I'm sure there's a few more, but that's just a taste.

EDIT: From some Kristin one in an interview with Lindelof:

I took the purgatory Q to the one and only Damon Lindelof (who is still da bomb in my book, in case you were wondering), and he shot back the following:

The following two facts are true. I swear it.
A. They're not in purgatory.
B. They're not dead.
If we did such a thing after repeatedly stating otherwise, we'd be tarred and feathered!

upmeath · 26-04-2007 06:50PM

8

Haven't a Clue wrote:

...and Sun saying your sperm count quintuples on the island

Wasn't it Juliet that said that? "We call that good odds!"

Haven't a Clue · 26-04-2007 07:40PM

7

#Elites wrote:

Hmm so the outside world thinks they are dead...so why was the helipcopter women coming to the Island..with a picture of Desmond and his girl? remeber at the end of the last season, we saw a Russian? team locating the EMP blast and they rang Desmonds girl saying "we found it" i think she sent the girl to look for him.

The helicopter woman would've been looking for Desmond though, not the other survivors. And they were Portuguese, not Russian. Though this one speaks Italian, Chinese, Spanish and English, so you can take your pick with where you think she's from.

upmeath · 26-04-2007 08:49PM

8

Haven't a Clue wrote:

The helicopter woman would've been looking for Desmond though, not the other survivors. And they were Portuguese, not Russian. Though this one speaks Italian, Chinese, Spanish and English, so you can take your pick with where you think she's from.

The English she spoke to Hurley at the very end of D.O.C. had a definite Oz inflection in it.

MikeHoncho · 26-04-2007 08:52PM

6

Good episode IMO. Half way through the flashback I was giving out stink that the flash backs had become completely irrelevant but then it started to work really well with the episode as a whole. It really shows how far Jin and Sun’s characters have come since we first met them. We always presumed he was the dominant one in the relationship where as in reality Sun is no helpless little Asian woman and is well able to fight her own corner. It also shows how much they really love each other and that circumstances had just clouded that in recent times. I nearly went all teary eyed when it was revealed Jin was the father (im a sucker for that type of stuff).

Hurley: OK does anyone else find it a bit suspicious that Hurley “accidentally” fires off a flare and then Mikhail shows up and when Mikhail is asking about what your woman (who is hot btw) had with her he “accidentally” mentions the phone. It just doesn’t sit right with me. There are a couple scenarios running through my head but one surrounds the fact that he was apparently kidnapped along with Jack, Kate and Sawyer for no reason. What if in a moment we have so far not been privy to he cut a deal with the others. Maybe they offered him the answer to what the numbers are or shared some info about Libby. It might be nothing but it just seems a bit convenient and their have been other threads on this board theorising that he is not what he seems.

Im gonna give it a 7. If we had 7.5 id probably give it that.

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