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[US/IRL] 3x18 - "D.O.C. [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Haven't a Clue


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    MikeHoncho wrote:
    Hurley: OK does anyone else find it a bit suspicious that Hurley “accidentally” fires off a flare and then Mikhail shows up and when Mikhail is asking about what your woman (who is hot btw) had with her he “accidentally” mentions the phone. It just doesn’t sit right with me. There are a couple scenarios running through my head but one surrounds the fact that he was apparently kidnapped along with Jack, Kate and Sawyer for no reason. What if in a moment we have so far not been privy to he cut a deal with the others. Maybe they offered him the answer to what the numbers are or shared some info about Libby. It might be nothing but it just seems a bit convenient and their have been other threads on this board theorising that he is not what he seems.

    Im gonna give it a 7. If we had 7.5 id probably give it that.
    Not really. Hurley's just a bit of a dumbass. Mickael probably saw the flare and went to check out what was going on. Hurley then, being a dumbass, blurted all out about the phone.

    And surely if you though it was a 7.5, you'd round it off to make it an 8. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 257 ✭✭rip2roar


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    Remember, Mikhail is an other, he isnt dharma. Although he claimed to be, we saw him showing Ben the video of 815 reports


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,215 ✭✭✭FX Meister


    Anyone notice juliet close and lock the door to the hatch, the camera switches to sun then back again and the door is open and she strolls in. Curious about the other plane being found. I don't really trust para girl. She spoke to Mika in Italien yet how could she have been sure des, hurley, Charlie didn't speak italien too. Think it was obvious that Mika was running towards the flare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    Well i thought it was a great ep. Gave it a 9/10 myself. Lots of crazy **** to think about.

    One thing is the crash of the plane. Ok we know the plane split into three pieces. The Tail end crashed in to the Sea, the Mid section crashed on the beach and the Cockpit landed in the jungle. Now there was an ep, i am looking through them at the moment when a large wave came in and they said that the sea would pull the mid section back into the sea. We didn't actually see this happening but they said it so i think the sea did eventually pull the mid section back into the sea. It is very possible and likely that the Tail section and mid section were taken out to sea by the force of the sea itself and found by the search teams at a later date. If you were a search team and found the tail section and the mid section (with people that died on inpact still straped to their seats, with no one else to be seen, the first thing would be to think that there are no survivers and thats that. So it is possible that these two parts of the plane were found and everyone was presumed dead.

    There is another interesting fact that no one else has mentioned also. None of you think that she could be "LYING"??? Why should we take her word that the plane was found in the first place.

    If the survivers are in fact dead, then how is it they can interact with Juliet and the others, when they are not dead and many of them were in fact brought from the real world to the Island.

    My bet is the two pieces of the plane were found and the searching has stopped "all presumed dead" OR she is simply lying to the losties for as of yet and unknown reason.

    Still an amazing ep with lots of brain teasers.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hyzepher


    FX Meister wrote:
    Anyone notice juliet close and lock the door to the hatch, the camera switches to sun then back again and the door is open and she strolls in. Curious about the other plane being found. I don't really trust para girl. She spoke to Mika in Italien yet how could she have been sure des, hurley, Charlie didn't speak italien too. Think it was obvious that Mika was running towards the flare.

    She only closed the left hand door - i checked it


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hyzepher


    The para girl - Naomi - is one of the girls from that show Las Vegas. Her accent is definately British so some relationship with Penny is a given.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭viking


    FX Meister wrote:
    Anyone notice juliet close and lock the door to the hatch, the camera switches to sun then back again and the door is open and she strolls in.
    There are double doors to the hatch, Juliet closed one of the doors and left the other one open. After talking to Sun she walks back to the hatch and goes through the open one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭Berns


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    I'm thinking when Juliet was saying "I hate you" she was maybe saying it to Sun. Before the Camera went of Sun, it looked like she was thinkin "hold on a minute, what wouldnt she want me to see". Juliet might have heard her come in but we didnt, or maybe there was a mirror that she could see behind her, or..... maybe she felt a presence. Just speculating here like but thinking thats what possibly happened :p

    As for the baby. Clare's was conceived off the Island, but she still had some problems. When was it decided that if it was conceived off the island they would be ok?? Was the drugs not needed after all for Clare??? Did they survive as a result of both Conceiving off the Island and the Drugs working together or something???? & As for the sperm count ...... what use is it when women can't conceive???? Start up a sperm bank maybe :p

    As for the parachute person, god knows. She has pic of Desmond, so maybe was ment to "replace" him or sumfin. Could still be in shock like so mightnt be makin much sense at the moment. As for Mika ....Where is he gonna go?? The others are presumingly gone, maybe not after Juliets recording. And seem's he has no way of contacting them by the looks of things since he stole the fone thingy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    so the plane crash was faked?
    one of the 'mikails' is somkie
    did juliet double cross sun? I had a funny feeling that she knew that sun followed her back to hatch...but it'd make more sense i suppose if juliet is changing....hmmm it's a hard one to call
    i loved the whole hidden room of claires in the cadecus hatch ...very obvious and clever yet noone ever suggested that. brilliant stuff
    kate is preggers?
    why did mikail save the para girl, surely it would be in the best interest of the others to have her killed? this may be the biggest clue that smokie was in fact 'mikail' and he was helping the losties? his faked attempt at stealing the phone was really a ploy to get the losties to concentrate on making use out of it? or then again he was the communication officer which may mean that the first 'mikail' was smokie and he was there after a means of communication, ben probably was able to see the phone in a surveillance video and ordered mikail out to save the girl and steal the phone..this of course means that with the first 'mikail' being smokie, the others have full control over smokey...i'd go along with that theory at the moment as the most likley.
    great ep end of season ep looks like its going to be amazing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    Still don't think the crash was faked.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,120 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


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    Mikhael is not smokie!!! He wasn't dead, he's just healed now.

    Fantastic episode! Gets a 9 from me, and ended with the first real WTF?!?!? moment in a long long time :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


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    This was a much better episode than last week. The flashback was a bit meh and didn't really show much, but the reveal of Juliet's mission was nice, also her disdain for Ben at having to do it. Mikail returning from the dead was a bit of a shock, I assume he didn't actually die, but did anyone check him when he passed through the fence? Perhaps it just knocks you out and he knew this so provoked Locke into pushing him into it so he could get away? Could he be an apparition? Did anyone else hear a sound like the one smokey makes just after Hurley shot off the flare? Could have been a bird but it did sound very familiar.

    Another surprise ending too. I guess she believes they were all killed as there's some sort of cover up going on. All this sh1te about time moving at a different pace outside as a reason for why everyone was found dead in the plane is just nonsense. The crash on the island wasn't faked either, but a 2nd crash was staged elsewhere complete with fake bodies to keep anyone away from looking for them. As for identifying the bodies, I'm sure an organisation with the ability to hide an island from the entire world would be able to fake a few medical reports.

    Why is everyone assuming Kate is pregnant too? Juliet said she was sampling all the women, probably just trying to find out if they can use them in some way or run tests on them.

    Oh and Juliet was saying she hates Ben, not Sun.

    Overall I'd say about 7/10 for this one. A marked improvement on last week and I hope it continues to next week and the end of this season.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


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    So I was the only one who was a little bored throughout? Sun's flashback story was, again, boring. Never found it interesting and this didn't change it. The reveal on the Daddy was no surprise at all - it was the only logical way the show could take it as they already have one baby conceived off of the island.

    Juliette was definitely telling Ben that she hated him - how could anyone think otherwise?! She's clearly being forced into her role, probably with the carrot that she'll get to see her sister, and she despises him for manipulating her into manipulating people that she probably cares about.

    How the pilot speaks multiple language isn't obvious when people keep hearing tongues they vaguely recognise. She seems to aim it at the ears of those who might recognise it, thus showing she knows who they are. So unless she's old Smokie in disguise, I await to see any sort of rational explanation for that.

    Mikahil back was a good "huh?" moment as long as it's answered soon. Typically they didn't push it - why didn't Jin, earlier, push Juliette on why exactly the room was secret on their island? Then again why am I asking why people never ask questions?

    The final end was good but is probably easily explained as a cover up by Dharma or some such (couldn't have a rescue crew finding out about the work they do there or drawing attention to it). Sounded nice and dramatic but it's probably a lot poorer in principle.

    A 5 from me - average.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    did I miss an episode where the smoke monster took human form, because alot of people seem to be saying it can do that...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭Miguel_Sanchez


    Mordeth wrote:
    did I miss an episode where the smoke monster took human form, because alot of people seem to be saying it can do that...

    When Eko died Smokie took the form of his brother (or so it seemed anyways).

    Personally I liked the episode. Think the parachuter girl was just trying different languages hoping somebody would understand her. She's definitely there for Desmond and seemed to have no idea about the plane crash.

    As for ol' Patchy - back from the dead? I don't think so, back from near death I'd say is more likely.

    It'll be interesting to see what the parachute girl has to say to Desmond - how did Penny know how to look for him?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    oooh yeah, i'd forgotten about echo and his brother

    well now... well now indeed

    --edit

    re below.. could it have been jacks father as well? damnit I hate this show


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


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    Mordeth wrote:
    did I miss an episode where the smoke monster took human form, because alot of people seem to be saying it can do that...
    I think it took the form of Eko's brother, and possible it was Hurley's imaginary friend too?
    #Elites wrote:
    Well...he is an "other" but a very different "other" he doesn't (and didnt) interact with Ben and co, he lived by himself.
    Not true. In Juliet's flashback we see Ben and Juliet in the radio station with Mikhail when they are looking at Juliet's sister with the child. If that video feed was live, as suggested by the dated newspaper in it, then it would mean then time is not moving at a different pace on the island, as the child was about 3 years old.
    Berns wrote:
    As for the baby. Clare's was conceived off the Island, but she still had some problems. When was it decided that if it was conceived off the island they would be ok?? Was the drugs not needed after all for Clare??? Did they survive as a result of both Conceiving off the Island and the Drugs working together or something???? & As for the sperm count ...... what use is it when women can't conceive????
    There's been nothing to suggest that Claire needed any drugs. The bit where she was sick recently was orchestrated by Ben to make Juliet the hero and save her. There's also no mention of women not being able to conceive. In fact, Juliet lost 9 pregnant women so obviously they can. The trouble is that none of them can bring the pregnancy to term and they all die.
    As for the parachute person, god knows. She has pic of Desmond, so maybe was ment to "replace" him or sumfin.
    That doesn't really make much sense.
    Could still be in shock like so mightnt be makin much sense at the moment.
    You or her? :)
    As for Mika ....Where is he gonna go?? The others are presumingly gone, maybe not after Juliets recording. And seem's he has no way of contacting them by the looks of things since he stole the fone thingy.
    The others aren't gone, they just went into hiding to get Juliet into Jack's camp. If Mikhail is really still alive then I'd imagine he was with them until coming after the girl, possibly sent by Ben to see if he could retrieve anything useful, such a a sat phone to contact the outside world since they've lost all communication ability. A sat phone wouldn't be of much use to contact Ben since they have no other phone on the island.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,406 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    There is one, seemingly throw-away line by locke,that has stuck out for me this season.

    "nothing stays buried on this island for long".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


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    Are we about to see Nikki's hand burst up out of the sand and go on a zombie rampage?


    Probably not.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    zombie strippers... that'd be hot


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭anotherlostie


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    I came away from this episode thinking it was the best I had seen all season but decided to wait a while before posting anything.

    But I still think that way now.

    I liked the way the writers took a swipe at all the people who moan about the Losties never telling each other anything! Charlie knew who Mikhail and hurley knew that Locke had fecked him into the fence. So just because they didn't waste a scene showing that doesn't mean the characters don't talk to each other!

    We had a great island story with the surprise reintroduction of Mikhail (WTF???) and the Naomi slow plot development culminating in the final statement. Jin's moves were impressive too.

    I always like Sun/ Jin flashbacks - in the minority I know - and this one was great, IMHO. The prostitute bit came out of nowhere, and I immediately thought to myself that a great man like Mr Paik would have no compunction about sleeping around, so - yuk - could Sun and Jin be siblings ala Jack and Claire? Mr Paik wasn't as vile as normal tonight, it must be said, and he did give her the cash.

    Juliet and Sun were good together - both actresses excelled, but particularly Sun, who often doesn't get too much to do - she definitely showed herself to be a strong willed woman, and not the demure wife painted in the season 1 finale (in the airport scenes). Elizabeth Mitchell is great, and I think she must be a shoe in for an Emmy nomination. Once again we are left wondering exactly where she stands with Ben and the Losties.

    The season is really building towards a fine crescendo and I hope the momentum can be sustained til the end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭damnyanks


    Sadly it will be sustained almost till the end. Then it stops and we wait 6 months for a new season. They like to tease us :(


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    it doesn't seem that long ago that I was waiting, and waiting and waiting and waiting for season 3 to start

    now we're already at ep 18..

    it's so unfair


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Spiritus Mundi#


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    I cant believe this hasnt been said thus far.....Sun looks awesome!!! H O T!!! all episode. I've always thought she looked a talented actress n could hold her own if given some challenging material...this episode reaffirmed that belief.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭woodyg


    Juliet was defo saying "i ahte you" about Ben.
    My theory is Ben is still blacmailing her about getting off the Island to go see her sister and also if she doesnt help he will allow her sisters cancer to return.
    Dont for get the Others do have another way off the island Desmons boat!
    Which only Ben and a couple of the others no about.
    Juliet maybe turning but she looks desperate enough to do whats needed to get off the island.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hyzepher


    Ben doesn't want to get off the island and he doesn't want any of the other to go either - as they cant get back now the beacon doesn't work


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    Hyzepher wrote:
    Ben doesn't want to get off the island and he doesn't want any of the other to go either - as they cant get back now the beacon doesn't work

    But we don't know if there is another way off the Island. Just because we have not heard of a different way dosent mean there isn't one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭monomaniac


    Great episode. I'm guessing Juliet = Carrie (from the book club). Juliet told Ben it was her favourite book. She's been pushed too many times by Ben and she's on the verge of snapping. Maybe like Carrie she might kill them all (the others).
    Also Juliet has been referred to a couple of times as "special". Remember the season 1 episide special all about Walt. And Ben's conversations about magical boxes and whatever you imagine to be in them will be.
    Aghhhh - what is going on?????
    Kanney wrote:
    The fence burst his ear drums. Thats why he asked Charlie "What?" and held his ear.
    Brilliant catch!!

    "I'm not alone" - who else is on the island? Maybe Penny did come and Desmond was right about his interpretation of the flashes. Now that she's awake and speaking english I'd expect some big answers next week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    I still feel she could be lying and will fill the losties full of it next week. I am not saying for defo that she is lying but we have to look at the possibility that she may have been told to lie to the losties.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭Tyax


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    I see the thing with 815 like this, two possibilities:

    1: The fuselage was washed out to sea not long after the crash, remember the crap about the waves being unnatural. The rear section landed in the sea, a fair bit out too. The wreckage was pulled out to sea and somehow managed to leave the island. It is possible that the search teams found the pieces, considering the sections and how gutted the fuselage would have been after they torched it what conclusion would you draw(it also had a fair few bodies in it, burned yes but some remains…)

    2: The woman is lying, wouldn’t be the first time someone has lied :)


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