[US/IRL] 3X15 - "Left Behind" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

damnyanks · 06-04-2007 02:39PM

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Maybe the Others (Hostiles) are like the current losties and eventually got into the town and took it away from Dharma. Maybe the cycle repeats itself now!

stevejazzx · 06-04-2007 02:41PM

logik wrote:

Yeah she was not putting a Mask on at the start. As far as i can see, she is no longer a part of the Others. They have "Marked" her for her weakness and she needs Jack now more than anything. I do think that she will turn out good.

Nope, you may be right but I'm thinking the perfect way to get inside the losties is to make them think that Juliuet is marked, outside, and then she can build relationships with the losties without the stigma that she's an other. I think she was ordered to Kill that other Guy(can't remember his name) and that her ordeal is to do with a much greater plan orchestrated by Ben. The hint to this is last week, her and Ben in the Hatch when describes how he's going to get Shepard to do the surgery by manipulating him.

abelard · 06-04-2007 09:37PM

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Sad Professor wrote:

I think that was Smokey downloading Juliet's memories like he did with Eko last season.

I disagree. I don't think this thing has the power to 'download memories', and can't think of where this idea is based. I think it was, instead, identifying her. This monster is not, in its entirety, organic. I said it in the thread related to the earlier Eko episode, but I believe the survivors were being observed for a long time before 815 took off. Whatever 'memory' is programmed into the monster, it is still just a computer, and as such, needs a mechanism of identifying those whom it encounters.

Anyhow, the episode was........a bit better than ok. 7/10

Anima · 06-04-2007 10:16PM

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I don't think this thing has the power to 'download memories', and can't think of where this idea is based.

When it encountered Eko it showed his memories inside the smoke. Its safe to assume it can read peoples minds, how else would it be able to play the memories back?

upmeath · 06-04-2007 10:17PM

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Firstly, I'd like to state that I'm glad to see people being a little more conservative with their judgment of the episode, nobody's given it 10/10 so far, the last 2 or 3 weeks have been 10/10 frenzies.
I gave this 7/10, a pretty decent episode, a lot to be discussed, I think Juliet's character is going to come under a lot of scrutiny over the next few episodes. Now everyone with the exception of Locke is back at base camp (I know there's still a chance that Michael and "Ma boi!" are still sailing around aimlessly in the "Snowglobe" and that Nikki and Paulo have been rescued at the 11th hour by Vincent, but these are both pretty unlikely scenarios)
I think its interesting to see how Locke has gone off with the Others. Maybe Ben realised that Locke has made a commitment to stay on the island and he never wants to leave, whereas Jack & Juliet were dying to get off it and go home, and Ben is going to place Locke high up on a pedestal for that. I hope we still get Locke-centric episodes over the next while (who knows maybe one day he'll emerge as the new leader of the Others, watch out for the season finale)
Speaking of which, I think it's getting to that stage in the season where the writers are going to turn the heat up full blast to carry us through to the finale, anybody got any thoughts on what's going to happen between now and then/who the Others will want to abduct this time (Walt in S1 finale, Jack and SKate in S2 finale ... Aaron in S3 finale?)

ZiabR · 06-04-2007 11:23PM

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stevejazzx wrote:

Nope, you may be right but I'm thinking the perfect way to get inside the losties is to make them think that Juliuet is marked, outside, and then she can build relationships with the losties without the stigma that she's an other. I think she was ordered to Kill that other Guy(can't remember his name) and that her ordeal is to do with a much greater plan orchestrated by Ben. The hint to this is last week, her and Ben in the Hatch when describes how he's going to get Shepard to do the surgery by manipulating him.

Yeah you may have a point there. Ben may be using her to gain the trust of the Losties.

upmeath · 07-04-2007 12:34AM

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Funny how Paulo, the only witness to their conversation regarding Jack while in the Pearl, was killed off last week. He would have immediately recognised her face from the station and recounted that conversation to someone else in the camp (probably Sayid), but he probably would have had to give them their share in the diamonds to keep a cap on his reasons for being in the Pearl back then and not saying anything.
Do the producers just do things like that to frustrate viewers?

Sad Professor · 07-04-2007 01:08AM

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Hmmm I'm just not buying that Juliet is a plant, it's too obvious. Everyone seems to be forgetting she tried to have Ben killed—and I don't think that was part of his magnificent plan. She also killed Pickett and had it not been for Ben she'd be dead now. Remember what Locke said: forgiveness is not one of their strong suits. She and Ben have history, that's the only reason she's still alive.

Goodshape · 07-04-2007 01:25AM

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Strange. I thought this epsiode was the best in ages. Certainly a lot better than the last few weeks.

And this is the first episode in weeks that I've seen the majority of people complain about.

upmeath · 07-04-2007 01:36AM

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I think it's a result of the focus having switched back to the Barracks but not to the fact that Locke's father is on the island. And it seems like it's going to be quite a while before that storyline is explored in any great depth now. Massive teaser.

Agamemnon · 07-04-2007 05:08AM

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Good episode, with a few classic Lost :eek: moments thrown in for good measure. Points deducted for that lame-ass "happy music" scene when everyone is enjoying the meal and smiling at Sawyer.

I also think that Juliet is too obvious as a mole and that she really has been banished.

Sawyer is being set up as a leader because Locke is gone now and the writers want someone to struggle with Jack for control of the group like Locke used to do.

Interesting how Locke is already speaking like an Other in his conversation with Kate, being evasive and being not answering questions. So if he's left with the Others, they must have taken his father with them. Must have made for interesting conversation on their trek through the jungle. What about the magic box, did they take that too?

I was surprised when Sawyer's ex said she was pregnant by him, but then it sounded like I'd heard that before. Did she tell him in the Season 2 episode when Sawyer is in prison in his flashback?

Kate simply smouldered with sexiness in this episode, with the camera lingering on her face for ages. Another fine fap-fest to go with last week's.

500 posts and 3 stars! Hurray!

Goodshape · 07-04-2007 05:18AM

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Maybe Jack's the mole?

upmeath · 07-04-2007 12:05PM

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Goodshape wrote:

Maybe Jack's the mole?

I've been thinking about that alright, I can see both Jack and Juliet being turned away from the camp upon their return, wouldn't be surprised if both of them find themselves in no man's land fending for themselves, either that or they're both moles.

DeepBlue · 07-04-2007 12:09PM

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This was a really poor episode. The only interesting thing in it was that Locke has now joined the Others. An episode showing how he comes to this decision and his conversations with the Others which lead him to take this step would have been interesting. Instead we get a flashback of Kate's story - most of which we already know.
This was similar to Sayid's recent flashback where we just got a re-telling of his backstory. How many times are the writers going to tell us things we already know while ignoring things we may be interested in?

Methinks it's time to build up four or five episodes of Lost instead of watching it week to week.

PiE · 07-04-2007 12:20PM

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What would the Others gain from having another mole in the camp? They already know everything about each of them, Jack has already operated on Ben and the Others have disappeared again.

LoLth · 07-04-2007 06:21PM

as another posted asked:

Are the losties going to move into the barracks now?

Sad Professor · 07-04-2007 06:31PM

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LoLth wrote:

as another posted asked:

Are the losties going to move into the barracks now?

Hopefully, although if it happens it'll probably be near the finale. It would be great to see that kind of shift in the show. But it's also possible the others may return...we don't even know why they left yet.

They'll just have to keep Locke away from it, in case he accidentally blows it up

AdMMM · 07-04-2007 06:55PM

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A strange episode. I'm wondering how they managed to get off the island/leave the camp. Did they have another submarine or some sort of vessel capable of carrying 50 people in it?

The connection between all the survivors is becoming that little bit more clear now although I can't possibly imagine what it has to do with the overall story!

An offtopic question now though, why are the survivors referred to as the "losties" and the monster referred to as "smokey". Seriously, it makes everyone sound as if they're about 11!

Sad Professor · 07-04-2007 07:03PM

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|.Murderer.| wrote:

A strange episode. I'm wondering how they managed to get off the island/leave the camp. Did they have another submarine or some sort of vessel capable of carrying 50 people in it?

We don't know that they left the island. They may just have gone to another part of it. Or perhaps they went back to Alcatraz, or another smaller island off the coast (unlikely).

An offtopic question now though, why are the survivors referred to as the "losties" and the monster referred to as "smokey". Seriously, it makes everyone sound as if they're about 11!

They're just nicknames that have developed I suppose.

The guy · 07-04-2007 07:22PM

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It was a decent episode.

Two things I want to say:
1) Sayid saying "Its like they disappeared into thin air" I think is a possible reference to the Others (ben, tom, Locke) using Smokey to get around the island.

2) I don't think Juliet can be trusted

Sinfonia · 07-04-2007 07:23PM

|.Murderer.| wrote:

An offtopic question now though, why are the survivors referred to as the "losties" and the monster referred to as "smokey". Seriously, it makes everyone sound as if they're about 11!

I suppose it's easier to say/type 'Smokey' than it is to say 'The-big-thing-that-looks-like-a-cloud-of-black-smoke-but-dunno-what-it-is',
And 'Losties' instead of 'People-what-crashed-in-plane-on-telly'

Sorta like saying Boardsters/Boardsies, etc.

anotherlostie · 07-04-2007 11:00PM

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Again I liked this episode this week.

I mean we had two women chained together and fighting in the rain!
We had Juliet go ninja stylee on Kate earlier on. How did she go from the dowdy scientist in 'Not in Portland' to that? Will E16 tell us?
We got the best view yet of Smokey. But yeah, why didn't he go over the fence? And what was the flashing light in Juliet's face about?
We learned how the fence is controlled.
Sawyer and Hurley - pure comedy once again from Hugo and James.
Cassidy in the backstory - was this just to tell us that she was pregnant with Sawyer's kid? Or is there more to this meet up? It also ties up the time when Sawyer was served by Kate's mother in a diner. The story was a bit meh, but good to see the Marshall again. And for once Kate's mother didn't look like Sabrina's aunt the witch.
Juliet is now with the Losties, and there will be tension. And we don't know if she is genuinely with them or not. But hasn't she more to hate them for? The Losties have killed off Ethan, Goodwin, Colleen and several others. She was clearly close to Ethan from Ep1. So she may have a few things to say to them too.
Regardless of one's like or dislike of him, Jack will be back at camp for the first time in almost an entire season, and that is bound to have an effect. There was some mention of blood types at one point, so I wonder will Juliet spill the beans about the fact that he has a nephew?

So roll on Ep16 and presumably the start of the third arc of Season 3. Let's hope it sustains the momentum of the second arc.

ZiabR · 08-04-2007 01:09AM

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Just watched the ep again, man did you see how easy Juliet owned Kates ass in the first scene? Two moves and it was over.

Still can't wait to see tha camps reaction to Jack returning. Also dying to find out where Locke has gone.

fortuneg · 08-04-2007 11:30AM

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anotherlostie wrote:

There was some mention of blood types at one point, so I wonder will Juliet spill the beans about the fact that he has a nephew?

Sorry, who has a nephew?

gazzer · 08-04-2007 01:27PM

There is one thing about that episode that does not make sense. Kate wakes up in the jungle with Juliette. They spend a day and a night in the jungle and then go back to the others' village. Jack is still unconcious. How the hell could that be??

JohnK · 08-04-2007 02:00PM

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fortuneg wrote:

Sorry, who has a nephew?

Jack does. One of the previous episodes showed that his father is also Claire's father.

smcelhinney · 08-04-2007 02:11PM

gazzer wrote:

There is one thing about that episode that does not make sense. Kate wakes up in the jungle with Juliette. They spend a day and a night in the jungle and then go back to the others' village. Jack is still unconcious. How the hell could that be??

Good point. In fairness, he was severely disorientated. And there seemed to have been one or two canisters around his place.

But, I like where you're going with this. Could be that Jack was in on it to a point, and then maybe last minute the Others turned on him?

Hmm.. boggling.. But then again, what have we come to expect from Lost? Thats right, nothing less..

upmeath · 08-04-2007 03:22PM

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anotherlostie wrote:

We had Juliet go ninja stylee on Kate earlier on. How did she go from the dowdy scientist in 'Not in Portland' to that? Will E16 tell us?

When Kate and Sawyer were working breaking rocks for the others on Alcatraz he stated that Juliet seemed to be the only one with any experience in hand-to-hand combat whatsoever. She's obviously trained in martial arts judging by the way she floored Kate in this episode!

anotherlostie wrote:

We got the best view yet of Smokey. But yeah, why didn't he go over the fence? And what was the flashing light in Juliet's face about?

Just had a thought on this. If Desmond gets visions, do they come from the monster? All those flashes had to be for some reason, maybe when we go back to the beach next week we'll learn that he saw visions of Kate and Juliet chained together hiding in a tree?

csk · 08-04-2007 04:38PM

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It was an enjoyable episode with out being spectacular. It will be good to see how the losties back at the beach will react when the mighty leader returns, hopefully Sawyer will take him down a peg or two.

Smokey's appearance was interesting, it seemed to be scanning Juliette, at least that's what the flashes seemed to me to be about anyway. I wonder will we be seeing anyone from Juliettes past popping up on the isalnd, her sister or ex husband maybe? The sonic weapon fence was another interesting part as it seemed to hurt or impair smokey and smokey didn't seem to have the ability to go over it like the losties did. I wonder why? Maybe it doesn't have the intelligence to go over or maybe it can only go so far off the ground?

Kanney · 08-04-2007 05:13PM

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Why would desmond seeing juliet and kate in the tree help anything? I agree with maybe he is getting the visions from the beastie, because everyone in the lost world (internet ffo*****s i mean) speaks of him "flashing" eko. And whenever Desmond is asked about his powers, all he sees is "flashes".
Is it sexist I referred the the monster as a he? Hmm...

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