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Louis Theroux: The most hated family in America

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    alleepally wrote:
    Here we go - wondered how long it would take before someone threw in the dig at the Catholic religion. This is simply a nonsense. I grew up a Catholic and we were brought to mass on a Sunday and I'm thankful for having parents who spent the time with us on Sunday morning and made it a real family time. Ok, we were young yes and didn't understand the meaning of mass, but we weren't brainwashed and my beliefs today are quite different to my parents so your argument is complete nonsense. You cannot compare the extreme views the people in this programme took compared with (say) the Catholic religion and ordinary decent families in this country trying to bring their kids up with a religion other than consumerism....

    Actually it wasnt a dig at Catholic religion it was a comment on EVERY religion in the world. I used Catholic because it is most relevant to this. Yes I can compare this family to a Catholic family because what they believe in is irrelevant its the fact that they are forcing their kids to believe in it is the point. Your fanily brought you up to believe what they do excatly the same as what this family are doing.

    Oh what the hell does bringing up a family with a religion instead of consumerism mean?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭Glowing


    I feel sorry for the young girls who are living such a restricted, narrow minded way of life. There are so many things they're not going to experience as a direct result of their parents rediculous beliefs.
    I think its going to be all or nothing for these girls - theres going to be no half measures. They'll be disowned if they don't follow the 'teachings' to a T.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭alleepally


    Kingp35 wrote:

    Oh what the hell does bringing up a family with a religion instead of consumerism mean?

    Eh, have you not heard that the new religion in Ireland is CONSUMERISM ???? Many commentators have written on the subject..

    If you are anti-religion at least have some perspective on the diffference between people bringing their kids up with a hate filled doctrine V the religion I was brought up in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Marksie


    fred phelps has hate crime legislation named after him in canada apparently.

    Yep thats right, its known as the Phelps law, or the Chick law after the guy who does chick publications whihc are equally as ugly and funny in turn.

    If you remember the shooting of the amish school kids, it was the Phelps family which turned up to protest that these kids would burn in hell.

    Unfortunately when the us moved to stop them, they were hoisted by their own PC brigade.

    One of these days they will protest at a WASP or NRA funreal... then they will have a personal meeting with god arranged methinks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭robinph


    alleepally wrote:
    Eh, have you not heard that the new religion in Ireland is CONSUMERISM ???? Many commentators have written on the subject..
    What has buying stuff got to do with believing in imaginary supernatural beings?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭DadaKopf


    I like Louis Theroux a lot, and always enjoy his shows. They're not documentaries, they're not fly on the walls. Maybe, too much, the documentaries are focused on Theroux himself, but in a way, his style of questioning, while to some might look smug, is neither confrontational nor cynical. He just picks away, trying to indirectly test people's reactions in the hope that they might reveal something more truthful about themselves than they would consciously say.

    This said, a little real journalism wouldn't go astray in some of his shows.

    And I was really disappointed with this one. It seemed to me he's scraping the bottom of the barrel, going for the easy shots. He should have tracked down the ones who had "fallen away". And flirting with the girl was gruesome, but at the same time, her reaction was very telling in a way which she would not have consciously admitted. Overall, though, I just thought it wasn't very good. Simple as that.

    Thing is, I kind of liked the Phelps family. Gramps had something of a poetic Hitler quality about him. A sort of right-wing, totalitarian Allen Ginsberg. And their signs and whole use of language and imagery were straight out of Punk 101. Turning Hate into something productive (in their views) I found really cool. I think they're mental, and I think they let themselves be used by FOX and other media to stifle debate (not that they could debate themselves).


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    alleepally wrote:
    If you are anti-religion at least have some perspective on the diffference between people bringing their kids up with a hate filled doctrine V the religion I was brought up in.

    Of course there is a difference in the beliefs, im not comparing the actual belief systems of the different religions. Obviously the belifs this family holds are horrible compared to Catholic beliefs. Im saying that these parents are doing nothing different to other parents when it comes to teaching their children what the believe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Watched it. Enjoyed it. Great Documentary.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭alleepally


    robinph wrote:
    What has buying stuff got to do with believing in imaginary supernatural beings?

    So you don't see a belief system in place in buying stuff ?? People buy stuff in the belief that it will make them happy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭alleepally


    Kingp35 wrote:
    Of course there is a difference in the beliefs, im not comparing the actual belief systems of the different religions. Obviously the belifs this family holds are horrible compared to Catholic beliefs. Im saying that these parents are doing nothing different to other parents when it comes to teaching their children what the believe.

    Ok, I see where you are coming from.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭magpie


    God hates America because America loves 'fags', and the best way to alert people to this is to protest at dead soldiers' funerals.

    All seems very logical to me, can't see what the fuss is about. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Haven't a Clue


    I just liked the way he said "YOUR ASS IS GOING TO HELL!". I'd also like to know what exactly was required for a question to be a good one for the pastor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,414 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    it says in that wikipedia article that Phelps hates Irish people? what's that about? is it because of our well formed bums and camp demeanor?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭robinph


    I'd also like to know what exactly was required for a question to be a good one for the pastor.
    "You are one of gods chosen people aren't you?" might have got an actual answer out of him.

    Any real questions he would just ignore though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭Plissken1


    Reminded me of Ireland in the 80's :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 264 ✭✭Plissken1


    griffdaddy wrote:
    it says in that wikipedia article that Phelps hates Irish people? what's that about? is it because of our well formed bums and camp demeanor?

    No its because we are turning into Chav's and we all know "God Hates Chav's" :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,484 ✭✭✭✭Stephen


    Probably because most of us are Catholics (I'm not) and he hates them too.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 3,821 Mod ✭✭✭✭LFCFan


    alleepally wrote:
    So you don't see a belief system in place in buying stuff ?? People buy stuff in the belief that it will make them happy.
    but once you've bought it and it makes you happy it's no longer a belief and it is now fact. Religion is based 100% on belief as is all religion so in that sense, consumerism can't be considered a form of religion!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 alrac


    Kingp35 wrote:
    Of course there is a difference in the beliefs, im not comparing the actual belief systems of the different religions. Obviously the belifs this family holds are horrible compared to Catholic beliefs. Im saying that these parents are doing nothing different to other parents when it comes to teaching their children what the believe.


    I don't want to get away from the original subject but just had to point out that that wackjob family believed that gay people were bound for hell and so were all who supported them....and I just wondered how could anyone consider that the Catholic Church's position to be much different....Pope Bendict XVI, whom catholics believe to be infallible and God's representative on Earth, is vehemently opposed to any change in the church's stance on homosexuality, and has described homosexuality as an "intrinsic moral evil," and "an objective disorder." This is a quote from a gay rights site called Rainbow.com (or similar) that puts it rather neatly "[Pope Benedict] has driven out members of the church that have attempted a more liberal approach to homosexuality. He is also against legislative protection for gay people. One of the Pope's first public proclamations was to condemn the introduction in Spain of partnership rights for same sex couples. The Vatican warned Roman Catholic officials that any support of the bill would end in the loss of their positions and argued that every person linked with implementing homosexual marriages should oppose it, even if it meant losing their jobs."

    .The Catholic Church's position is delivered in more socially acceptable forums and couched in more palatable terms but the message wouldn't appear to be all that different?

    I've never quoted John Lennon before but i will now: "Imagine.......And no religion too,Imagine all the people, Living life in peace."...
    could be time to give it a try!!!
    a


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭alleepally


    LFCFan wrote:
    but once you've bought it and it makes you happy it's no longer a belief and it is now fact. Religion is based 100% on belief as is all religion so in that sense, consumerism can't be considered a form of religion!

    It is reasonable to say that a religion in the traditional sense of the word is to find spiritual enlightenment. This bring happiness.... The meaning of life is to "find you bliss" - what makes you happy. Some people find happiness in consuming things - therefore it is can be considered a form of religion for that person.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭bill_ashmount


    alrac wrote:
    I don't want to get away from the original subject but just had to point out that that wackjob family believed that gay people were bound for hell and so were all who supported them....and I just wondered how could anyone consider that the Catholic Church's position to be much different....Pope Bendict XVI, whom catholics believe to be infallible and God's representative on Earth, is vehemently opposed to any change in the church's stance on homosexuality, and has described homosexuality as an "intrinsic moral evil," and "an objective disorder." This is a quote from a gay rights site called Rainbow.com (or similar) that puts it rather neatly "[Pope Benedict] has driven out members of the church that have attempted a more liberal approach to homosexuality. He is also against legislative protection for gay people. One of the Pope's first public proclamations was to condemn the introduction in Spain of partnership rights for same sex couples. The Vatican warned Roman Catholic officials that any support of the bill would end in the loss of their positions and argued that every person linked with implementing homosexual marriages should oppose it, even if it meant losing their jobs."

    .The Catholic Church's position is delivered in more socially acceptable forums and couched in more palatable terms but the message wouldn't appear to be all that different?

    I've never quoted John Lennon before but i will now: "Imagine.......And no religion too,Imagine all the people, Living life in peace."...
    could be time to give it a try!!!
    a

    Very good post. In my opinion there is very little difference between that crowd in America and the Catholic church (or any other religion for that matter). It's just that people pick and choose from Catholicism because it makes them feel more comfortable.

    Wait for the onslaught :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭slipss


    alrac wrote:
    I've never quoted John Lennon before but i will now: "Imagine.......And no religion too,Imagine all the people, Living life in peace."...
    could be time to give it a try!!!
    a

    Retarded fish-frogs.

    http://www.clipsnag.com/stories/view/South_Park_10x12
    http://www.clipsnag.com/stories/view/South_Park_-_Go_God_Go_Part_2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,038 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    eth0_ wrote:
    I have to say, i'm pretty disgusted with Louis Theroux. The way he flirted with one of the young girls to try and test out her 'no sex before marriage' beliefs was NOT what I would call journalistic integrity. It was great when she gave him a piece of her mind when she realised what he was up to.

    He also showed nothing of their lives outside the church, even when a "rival" church in their locale burnt down, it simply got a mention, there was no investigation of this.

    Louis Theroux makes biased reports that poke fun at washed-out famous people, vulnerable or uneducated people, and (although the family last night were pretty horrifiying in their beliefs) disrespecting a young girl because she has different morals to him.

    Louis has never done any of that stuff. He lets people make their own comments, and is never confrontational. He just gives them enough rope to hang themselves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    I wanna see it but can't wait til Wednesday ¬_¬

    Anybody got a link?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    griffdaddy wrote:
    it says in that wikipedia article that Phelps hates Irish people? what's that about? is it because of our well formed bums and camp demeanor?

    Think it's because of the following article that appeared in the Indo a year ago:

    A CONTROVERSIAL US Church has attacked a noted Irish poet and branded Ireland a "land of sodomite dandies".

    Kildare-based poet Desmond Egan's poem 'Understanding God Too Quickly in Topeka' ridicules the Kansas Church, which encourages members to 'celebrate' deaths of US soldiers in Iraq.

    The poem drew the ire of Westboro Baptist Church's leader, Fred Phelps (76), as it accuses the Church, based in Topeka, Kansas, of having a 'flea philosophy'.

    A bid is under way in the US to ban the Church from picketing the funerals of soldiers in the US, using anti-homosexual banners. It holds its protests because it believes US troops died defending 'homosexual nations' - Afghanistan and Iraq. The Church is notorious for running a website, godhatesfags.com, outlining beliefs that nearly every human tragedy is linked to homosexuality.

    Preacher Phelps this week told the Irish Independent he still had his eye on Mr Egan, who wrote some "mean stuff" about his Church. "The Bible says that the only thing worse than a fag is a fag enabler," he claimed. "He is pushing the fag agenda in his poems and he is on his way to hell."

    Mr Phelps accused Mr Egan, who is married with children, of being "a fag in denial". However, "to be fair" to Mr Egan, a winner of the American National Poetry Foundation Award, he was not the only one.

    "Ireland is a land of sodomite dandies since it joined the EU, although it is not quite as bad as Sweden yet," he said.

    Mr Egan said: "They have posters that say things like 'God laughs when a gay dies'. It's really awful stuff."

    Tom Lyons


    Think he turns against any nation if there is any hint of "fag-enabling" activity coming from there. He has a website Godhatessweden.com because he considers Swedish people "fag enablers". Like all great right-wing fanatics, he's remarkably inconsistent - apart from his stance on homosexuality, which is very, VERY consistent. But, bizarrely, he was a civil rights lawyer in the 1960s and was honoured by the NAACP. His family were regularly verbally abused and called "n***** lovers". Apparently he left the very fundamentalist, anti-catholic Bob Jones University because of its segregationalist policies. AND he ran as a democrat!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 398 ✭✭Hydroquinone


    "The Bible says that the only thing worse than a fag is a fag enabler," he claimed.
    I would have to say that I've never read the Bible. But if there is a passage anywhere in it that says that I reckon I'd be surprised.
    Especially given that his definition of fag is nothing to do with the usual American slang definition of homosexual.
    They say that a fag = homosexual, Jewish person, American soldier, Swedish person, anyone who's not married but who has fornicated and, well, everyone who isn't the Westboro Baptist Church.

    Tell you what, as well, if I belonged to the common or garden Baptist faith I'd be up in arms that this shower of loo las have the neck to call themselves Baptists.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ferdi


    i'd say the good rev takes it in the hell hole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,964 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    He definitely seems to be over-compensating/defensive for something!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Thing is, I doubt the Phelps are the "most hated family in America" because of their mind-bogglingly vicious homophobia, it's because they picket the funerals of dead soldiers. Of course that disgusting, deplorable conduct is, in itself, justification enough for them to be as reviled as they are, but if they didn't choose this method of spreading their warped message, would there be such outcry over them? I doubt it. And I bet the Westboro Baptist Church would have more members too.
    I don't blame any of the pastor's children or grandchildren. They're victims of his hatred and have had their minds warped and twisted. I disagree that they're hillbillies or rednecks or inbred, though. They're quite the opposite - intelligent, articulate, pleasant, mannerly, seemingly normal. And that's what so bloody scary about them.


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