[US/IRL] 3X11 - "Enter 77" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

cooker3 · 09-03-2007 11:20PM

anotherlostie wrote:

I also have to laugh at the constant moaning on this board about people not talking to each other. Because this board just proves that is real life. There is hardly any interaction; people make comments, ask questions, and they are generally never answered by others, but the same points get made over again (with the exception of a hard core group, who presumable know each other from other boards). But my point is - and not to cause a row - that people on here don't listen to what other people say, so why expect otherwise on a TV show? End of rant.

I agree, I am sick of the losties not asking questions of each other!

mewso · 11-03-2007 07:22PM

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anotherlostie wrote:

I also have to laugh at the constant moaning on this board about people not talking to each other. Because this board just proves that is real life. There is hardly any interaction; people make comments, ask questions, and they are generally never answered by others, but the same points get made over again (with the exception of a hard core group, who presumable know each other from other boards). But my point is - and not to cause a row - that people on here don't listen to what other people say, so why expect otherwise on a TV show? End of rant.

You're absolutely right. So like real life. My neighbour might be here today if I had mentioned the ton of explosives I spotted in his garage.

pickarooney · 11-03-2007 09:03PM

abelard wrote:

As was said, Locke ruined what was otherwise one of the best episodes all series, his sheer stupidity was unbelievable. Who would leave a prisoner like that? Especially a prisoner that has just shot a companion, and has proven to be skilled in physical combat.

Who indeed? *cough*mole*cough*

johnny_ultimate · 12-03-2007 12:13AM

Thought this was the strongest of Season 3 so far. After last weeks god-awful episode was nice to see a strong episode where something actually happened plot-wise. Although faith is beginning to be lost on the whole, this episode reminds me of why I kept watching in the first place.

Mr.Nice Guy · 12-03-2007 01:51AM

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Very strong episode. I give it an 8. Sayid = excellence.

I don't understand why people are hating on Locke. What he did by entering 7-7 was entirely within character. It would have been out of character for him to not enter the numbers. Remember that the reason Locke chose to stop entering the numbers in the hatch was because he had lost faith, which he now has.

Besides, The Pearl had the ability to monitor other stations such as The Flame so there's no proof The Flame really has the ability to communicate with the outside world. If it did, wouldn't it have been guarded more heavily?

I think it's a good thing that it was blown up. And people forget that Locke is responsible for finding it in the first place thanks to his belief in heading North.

At the end of the ep, Locke told Mikhail he knew why he didn't want him to enter 7-7 - but it was a Dharma option in the first place in case of incursion by 'the hostiles'. Does that mean Locke now feels The Others such as Mikhail, Bea, Ben etc. are really working for Dharma?

JLemmon · 12-03-2007 09:34AM

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Apapaia wrote:

This is the translation from Lostpedia:

I wonder what the other way was. Also, why kill her? Instead of her being captured?

What the hell was up with Locke? That's the second time something bad has happened when he has messed with computers!

Also strange was the fact that Rousseau didn't go into the building and just waited at the stream.

The stuff at the beach was good, Sawyer calling Paulo "Zorro" .

A very good episode. I'd give it a 9.

Suicide was the other way out, not to be interrogated about everything and maybe give in.
Rousseau is only interested in her daughter not running after other stuff, pardon the pun :-)
Some Questions, Can I assume that Bernard and Rose are left the island and gone home? Or have they morphed into Zorro and "who the hell are you" ?
Just explain Walts powers already get it finished, i fear this won't be explained as they have left the island.
What happened to the sickness??? Rem, the vacinations, rousseau's people etc..?
As regards Penny, this is way too long into a season to not have something said about the last season cliff hanger, really!
Yeah and the Losties asking question of each other, like will Sayid ever find out that Desmonds original hatch buddy was the soldier who made him a torturer in iraq??? Is that guy still alive? Because he wasn't on teh rocks when desmond etc came back for the boat or was he?

ZiabR · 12-03-2007 11:15AM

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abelard wrote:

As was said, Locke ruined what was otherwise one of the best episodes all series, his sheer stupidity was unbelievable. Who would leave a prisoner like that? Especially a prisoner that has just shot a companion, and has proven to be skilled in physical combat.

I have to agree with this to some extent. I mean ffs Loche, "following what he thinks is right is not always the right thing to do". They have made a mess of his char with all of his Faith cr*p.

12-03-2007 11:20AM

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Did anybody else think that the cat appeared in the episode to warn Sayid not to kill him(Mikhail).That he would be very useful to the losties if he was allowed live.

ZiabR · 12-03-2007 11:22AM

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Deleted User wrote:

Did anybody else think that the cat appeared in the episode to warn Sayid not to kill him(Mikhail).That he would be very useful to the losties if he was allowed live.

Actually very good point, this is quite possible. If they have the map then one has to think why they still want Mikhail in the first place. Maybe he will provide the losties with all the info they want?

pduffy50 · 12-03-2007 01:19PM

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logik wrote:

Actually very good point, this is quite possible. If they have the map then one has to think why they still want Mikhail in the first place. Maybe he will provide the losties with all the info they want?

Again this is a good point, I think Mikhail knows alot about the island and help the losties find out more about the others.

jor el · 12-03-2007 01:39PM

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anotherlostie wrote:

@ rip2roar,
That's an interesting point about April Grace, who played Miss Klugh. I think for people to say she was inconsequential is laughable, seeing as how all series there have been questions as to where she was when the Others were on screen!

My point about Ms Klugh was why were there even questions being asked? She had bit parts in two episodes, not as though she was an integral part of it or anything. Her character is inconsequential, as evidenced by the fact that not having her character there has made no difference to the story.

I also have to laugh at the constant moaning on this board about people not talking to each other. Because this board just proves that is real life. There is hardly any interaction; people make comments, ask questions, and they are generally never answered by others, but the same points get made over again (with the exception of a hard core group, who presumable know each other from other boards). But my point is - and not to cause a row - that people on here don't listen to what other people say, so why expect otherwise on a TV show?

Nobody here can answer the questions being posed because nobody knows the answers. There is plenty of interaction though, someone posts about something they saw, others agree or disagree and post what they believe happened. In absolutely no way is this like what's happening on Lost, and you can't even compare the two.

L31mr0d · 12-03-2007 02:18PM

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this might be a bit of a moot point but anyone else noticed that all the black people have been removed from the show? I mean Mike, Walt, Eko and Klugh have all been either sent off the island or killed.

monomaniac · 12-03-2007 03:08PM

L31mr0d wrote:

this might be a bit of a moot point but anyone else noticed that all the black people have been removed from the show? I mean Mike, Walt, Eko and Klugh have all been either sent off the island or killed.

Good point - Rose is still alive but certainly looking to be MIA!

I agree with a point made earlier that by Locke blowing up the Flame it will have some pay-off later on. Why would the writers intentionally make Locke look stupid - what does it serve other than frustrating the fans?

In the season 2 finale when Locke smashed the computer Desmond said "You've killed us all" but Locke said "No, I've just saved us all". I still think this will ring true - the scene in the artic with the engineers finding the island may be key to this.

We now know that the hostiles have had some sort of access to the outside world for a while - yet Ben might be reluctant to let anyone leave - e.g Juliet.
Now that access appears to have gone since "the sky turned purple" it will take some outside force to rescue the losties.

Also the whole Hostiles vs Dharma revelation begs the question about how much the hostiles know about the hatches - mainly the Swan. Remember when Ben was being held in the hatch he was playing mind games with Locke about not pushing the button? Did he know what he was doing?

And why did the hostiles let Kelvin/Desmond continue the work there for many years, especially with all those guns?

Snake Plisken · 12-03-2007 04:19PM

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worst episode of the season, pointless, it made Locke look like an idiot that he didn't work out that he would blow up the station, maybe he did know as he never wanted to get off the island anyway. Sayiid backstory pointless as well.

Snake

MarkR · 12-03-2007 05:33PM

Made locke look like homer simpsons second long lost brother.

They arrive in a mysterious hatch with a one eyed wild man living there. Instead of exploring and looking for information, he decides to sit down and play 2D chess?! If it was an xbox 360 and GOW, then sure, maybe. :rolleyes:

You gotta hope they have some reasoning behind it.

ixoy · 12-03-2007 05:44PM

anotherlostie wrote:

I also have to laugh at the constant moaning on this board about people not talking to each other. Because this board just proves that is real life. There is hardly any interaction; people make comments, ask questions, and they are generally never answered by others, but the same points get made over again (with the exception of a hard core group, who presumable know each other from other boards). But my point is - and not to cause a row - that people on here don't listen to what other people say, so why expect otherwise on a TV show? End of rant.

Umm because this is a message forum and we're not sitting around facing each other in reality? People can interact very different in "RL".

Because we're at home/offices typing this in relative comfort whereas the people of Lost know that their very lives may depend on gathering all the information they require together? Telling someone your opinion of an episode of a steadily-declining cult show doesn't quite merit the same level of importance as telling someone about a basement full of C4 beneath you...

Because it's obviously a poor attempt by writers to drag out plot lines longer?

jor el · 12-03-2007 06:37PM

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ixoy wrote:

Because it's obviously a poor attempt by writers to drag out plot lines longer?

And an even easier way to fix it so they can't communicate with the outside world. If the Flame Station had survived then it would be hard to come up with valid reasons for why they couldn't fix the transmitter. This was the easy option and rules out any kind of answers being made available soon.

L31mr0d wrote:

this might be a bit of a moot point but anyone else noticed that all the black people have been removed from the show? I mean Mike, Walt, Eko and Klugh have all been either sent off the island or killed.

Nicely spotted. So The Others are racist too! Is there no end to their evil?

Only Rose left, she can be Token now

Agamemnon · 12-03-2007 07:35PM

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Good episode, nice to see a mystery (who is Patchy?) answered a few episodes after it came up. Any Sayid episode is usually good anyway.

I hope Sayid kicks some sense into Locke after the baldy wanker's gormless behaviour in this episode. The losties missed a chance to find out more about the Others when the flame station blew.

I think Mikhail's threat that they will regret not killing him will return to haunt the losties. He'll kill one of them soon and he'll be killed himself after. Could Charlie be his victim?

Necronomicon · 12-03-2007 09:24PM

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Very enjoyable episode, on a different planet from the last two weeks imo. A little throwback to season 1 and 2 with something from a character's past appearing on the island.
During the scene where Sayid and Danielle are walking away from the house with eye-patch my heart was beating a bit, I thought the house was going to explode with Locke in it after he hit "77".
Hope with this new revelation the show has a good consistent run of decent episodes.

Mr.Nice Guy · 12-03-2007 10:16PM

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Necromomicon wrote:

During the scene where Sayid and Danielle are walking away from the house with eye-patch my heart was beating a bit, I thought the house was going to explode with Locke in it after he hit "77".

Haha, yeah same here. If that had happened I would have been gutted.

doonothing · 12-03-2007 10:52PM

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i think the reason everyone is so pro Klugh is cos she was the first other we got to see have a proper conversation with the losties! it sucks that she didnt end up havin any relevance whatsoever

AdMMM · 12-03-2007 11:13PM

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It was certainly better than any previous Season III offering but still it isn't of the same quality of the previous seasons. I don't know why the writers decided to show us so much information only to have it all destroyed. Seems a bit stupid to me.

~Rebel~ · 13-03-2007 12:00AM

randomchild wrote:

I think the purpose of the flashback was to explain why sayid showed mercy to patchy rather than shooting him on the spot. But, Sayid cant have learnt anything from his flashback if he later went on to toruture Ben and Sawyer later on in life could he?

I think I got a totally different take on the FlashBack and Sayid's actions then has been mentioned so far.

I think the flashback showed us he's a hardcore mofo who will use torture to get his info out of Mikhail. Sounds off the wall at first but hear me out.

Sayid has already tortured on the island when necessary, which has all taken place well after the flashback and reminds us of him breaking his promise not to do it anymore.

The main reason i have is that when he's captured in the flashback, the woman tells the story of how she stayed in her apartment for 3 years, and the only thing to make her come out was to rescue the cat and give it a home. She says she will let Sayid go because otherwise she is no different to what he is. Now taking into account what Sayid has done on the island, this points out that Sayid IS a torturer compared to the womans Nurturer.

The clincher for me was the cat. The woman had rescued the cat and gave it a home. Sayid meanwhile sees the cat on the island, its own home destroyed its carers dead and captured, looking up at him mewing. He doesn't follow the womans actions of careing, he turns and coldly walks away.

I just think Sayid is the character that, when theres a job to do, will turn off the compassion and get on with doing it.

Crucifix · 13-03-2007 12:08AM

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Meh.
Eyepatch dude was seeming alright, then a big let down. Locke continues down the path from fantastic character to eight year old child. Beach segment wasn't that funny.
I generally like the vast majority of episodes, but this one wasn't my cup of tea.
Worth watching for Sawyer's "Who the hell are you?" to Nikki though.

Mr.Nice Guy · 13-03-2007 12:34AM

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The flashback was not about mercy or forgiveness in my view but rather about love.

The woman Sayid tortured took the cat in from the alley when it was howling in pain. She gave it a home and now loves it. It sleeps in her bed as she pointed out. It occasionally claws at her because it does not feel safe but she forgives it.

The cat on the island called Nadia is meant to symbolise Sayid's love interest - also called Nadia. At the end of the episode it finds itself homeless and lost just like Sayid's love. It seems to want Sayid to tend to it.

At the end Sayid turns away from the cat and walks away. In the same way his duty forced him to abandon his love, so too must he abandon the cat to do his duty and deal with Mikhail.

I think this is what the episode represents. Sayid's inability to live the caring life he wants because he must participate in doing terrible things for the greater good.

slave1 · 13-03-2007 10:20AM

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well season 3 had not made use of two of the best characters in the show up until that episode and I feel it wasted them, S's f/b added pretty much zero - just there to explain why he spared eye patch?, and Locke was made look like a tool
Shame, damn shame
ps amazed they left a source of food and milk i.e. the cows behind, not to mention the horse which would be ideal transport around the island

Chumpski · 13-03-2007 10:28AM

One thing to note: The island heals Lockes spinal injury and lets him walk again, what does he end up doing? Destryoing the hatch he found.

Next, the island takes away his hearing as Locke loses faith in the process of destroying hatch 1. He regains his faith and ends up destroying hatch 2.

Hyzepher · 13-03-2007 11:03AM

One thing I would like to understand.

Presumingly the hut was wiried with C4 so it could be destroyed if attacked by the Hostiles. So it was Dharma who wired it and set up the computer with the chess game etc. Both Mikhail and Klugh are Others (Hostiles). So 1)Did they know about the hidden instructions (77). 2) If so how? 3) If all the Dharma were killed then why still keep the hut wired with C4 - for what reason, especially as Ben sent them over to try and re-establish communications?

Another thing that came into my mind while wayching - don't know why. Micheal and Walt presumably went off on the boat into the great blue Ocean. With no substancial water or food supplies and no real way of knowing which way land is or how far? Especially in a boat that looks like it would have limited range. I feel we will see Michael and Walt before season end - especially if Waly tells Michael what happened to him - and WHY.

Hyzepher

jor el · 13-03-2007 12:10PM

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Hyzepher wrote:

Another thing that came into my mind while wayching - don't know why. Micheal and Walt presumably went off on the boat into the great blue Ocean. With no substancial water or food supplies and no real way of knowing which way land is or how far? Especially in a boat that looks like it would have limited range. I feel we will see Michael and Walt before season end - especially if Waly tells Michael what happened to him - and WHY.

Hyzepher

Ben told them to go in a particular direction and they would be picked up. So I'd imagine they won't be seen again, unless of course we get to see another glimpse of the outside world (where the hell is Penny and her Arctic team?).

prospect · 13-03-2007 01:02PM

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slave1 wrote:

ps amazed they left a source of food and milk i.e. the cows behind, not to mention the horse which would be ideal transport around the island

I thought that aswell.

Nice Ep. I thought.

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