[US/IRL] 3X11 - "Enter 77" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

Basq · 07-03-2007 11:53PM #1

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Episode Title: "Enter 77"
Airdate: March 7th 2007

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

On their mission to rescue Jack, Kate, Sayid, and Locke stumble upon a mysterious structure surrounded by farm animals and meet its strange inhabitant. Back at the camp, in order to reclaim his belongings, Sawyer plays in a a ping-pong competition.

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Anima · 08-03-2007 08:50AM

6

Was pretty good I guess. Although it seemed to go very fast.

So Patchy was just another other, thats a bit of a let down. Klugh being shot almost straight away after being gone for the entire season was just retarded.

The flame station being destroyed at the end was also retarded. Their only means of communication plus all the books and information in the station itself gone completely :rolleyes:

Why the hell did Locke follow the instructions and why did he just leave Patchy so he could play a game of chess

Its probably only a matter of time before someone translates the russian conversation that Patchy and Klugh had, might reveal something.

kaimera · 08-03-2007 01:59PM

8

Actually thought it was the best ep of s03 so far.

Enjoyed Sayid's backstory but I generally do. The beach interlude was good fun but all due to Sawyer.

Kinda obvious what '77' was going to do after seeing the c4 but I was honestly expecting John and Kate to go up in smoke! What the **** sort of long ass timer is on c4 these days?
I mean we had another part of Sayids flashback before they even got out of the house then more time before it exploded.

Would have been a great ending.

Oh, and John is an idiot. Haven't liked his char in a long time. He just can't help himself. :mad:

Kanney · 08-03-2007 02:58PM

8

I thought this episode was great, nice action in it. Plus a new charachter.
Things I didnt like.
Klugh dying, I thought there could've been real depth to her charachter...
Flashbacks seem to be taking up more and more time or is it just me.

<SNIP>

PS - Kanney, please keep all discussion of the next episode (or more specifically, the promo) to the thread for that promo.

anotherlostie · 08-03-2007 04:48PM

8

Great action packed episode. Together with Sawyer having to stop name calling for a week after losing table tennis to Hurley. I'd have sooner see him win; I mean we won't hear anyone called Crouching Tiger and Hidden Dragon for a couple of episodes now. And he asked Nikki who the hell she was!! Good to see the humour still there.

I thought Mikhail was very interesting; was a bit disappointed that he was an Other - I thought we were really getting somewhere with this talk of hostiles, and then it was gone. And then Locke won the chess game and Marvin Candle asked about the hostiles, so does this confirm that Ben and co. are the hostiles, and they are against Dharma? I'm still confused, but it is Lost.

I thought the backstory was weak, with only one WTF moment, when Sayid was attacked in the restaurant. The aim seemed to be to explain why he would not kill Mikhail, but I think Sayid's character had already developed to a point where this would be out of character for him. And how could he not recognise the woman, given all his internal torment about torturing people?!

The best Sayid bit, (and maybe this is me reading too much into it) was the cat was called Nadia, after the gymnast, and perhaps a fun poke at people who sees links and coincidences when none are there.

Ms Klugh, RIP. I guess either the actress wasn't going to be available, or possibly it is another link to Michael and Walt severed. I'll be glad when the Russian is translated, including the notes.

And as for Locke. Well it is starting to show why he was working in a box factory, and not CEO of some enterprise. He's a bit of a disaster these days really! First the hatch, then letting Mikhail free, and then kaboom Mark 2. What will the implication of the destruction of the Flame Station be?

Now they have a map, hope they get to Bunkertown next week and we bring the whole cast together and move on to the next stage of Lost. I'm interested again!

Narcissus · 08-03-2007 05:23PM

8

This is the translation from Lostpedia:

Klugh: Mikhail. Mikhail! You know what to do.
Mikhail: We still have another way [out].
Klugh: We cannot risk. You know the conditions.
Mikhail: There is another way.
Klugh: They captured us. We will not give (or let, or betray) [unintelligible].
Klugh: You know what to do. It is an order.
Mikhail: We still have another way!
Klugh (in English): Just do it, Mikhail.
Mikhail: Forgive me. (shoots)

I wonder what the other way was. Also, why kill her? Instead of her being captured?

What the hell was up with Locke? That's the second time something bad has happened when he has messed with computers!

Also strange was the fact that Rousseau didn't go into the building and just waited at the stream.

The stuff at the beach was good, Sawyer calling Paulo "Zorro"

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A very good episode. I'd give it a 9.

ixoy · 08-03-2007 10:35PM

Much better than the last few. Sayid seems to like doing this odd thing of, y'know, asking questions that matter and it was good to see him drawing connections with various elements in the show. Makes it almost seem like there's a plan amidst the sprawling mythology

However, someone put a bullet in Locke's head please. He continually drive me up the wall - never answering questions directly, but trying to be mystical instead and then continually f**king up their chances. It was obvious what '77' would do and yet he still instigated it and was completely unapologetic for potentially destroying the hope of survival for his 40-odd fellow victims. What an a$$hole. Sayid looked equally PO'ed with him so, after this episode, he's flown up the ranks of favourite characters

Ponster · 08-03-2007 10:35PM

Is is just me that didn't like this episode?

We learnt almost nothing that we didn't know.
I didn't see anything in the back story of great interest.

I think this was the first episode in a while that had genuine promise, which makes the end result even more disappointing.

I've always liked Locke, but he was simply an idiot this episode, though it's also symptomatic of the whole "nobody tells each other anything" syndrome. Still, Locke knew Sayid suspected there was a second person, yet he takes his eyes off the prisoner. He can't wait a few minutes for them to search the basement? What if the other Other was off-site and stormed in? Locke would be Bobby Fischering instead of being useful. Did he know about the C4? I find it hard to believe Sayid wouldn't tell him, and I find it equally unlikely that Locke, who was interested in all things Dharma, wouldn't want to check out the basement himself and everything that was out there. So pushing 77 feels like a contrivance, "in character" in the micro but completely out of character in the macro. Thus, a complicated character comes out looking like a moron.

Also, almost nothing is really revealed to us.

And imagine you're being attacked and the only way to stop the enemy from breaking in and taking everything is to win a game of computer chess?
Rubbish.

monkeyfudge · 09-03-2007 12:31AM

5

I wasn't crazy about this episode either.

Locke was just incredibly frustrating... It's amazing how they managed to turn a once great character into such an idiot.

Playing chess when the others were interrogating the Russian and then struggling for their life? Being distracted by the chess computer again and allowing the Russian to untie himself and sneak up behind him? Tpying in a code that clearly wouldn't have good consequences even if he didn't know about the C4.

Also... how come such an old monitor was capable of displaying such hi-res video?

ZiabR · 09-03-2007 12:36AM

8

Really like this ep. Nice story for Sayid. We really need to see the old cool jungle man Loche that was in S1. He used to be a really good char. Nice action and a good all round ep. I gave it a 9.

jor el · 09-03-2007 12:44AM

3

Ponster wrote:

Is is just me that didn't like this episode?

Nope.

I've always liked Locke, but he was simply an idiot this episode, though it's also symptomatic of the whole "nobody tells each other anything" syndrome.

Yeah that's becoming really annoying at this stage. You'd think that Kate, or especially Sayid, would mention that the whole place was filled with C4. And also you'd think Locke might mention to those two that he brought up a communication menu (of sorts) on the computer. Sayid, being a communications officer, is the obvious person to inform of this little ditty :rolleyes:

I did think the episode went very quickly though, so it couldn't have been that bad. Interesting if what Mr Patches said is true, about the others being on the island for a very long time. Ben has already said he was born on the island so it could be true. Also Jack was held in an under water facility at first so we know that bit is true. That could be between the two islands somewhere. We also know they recruited people in from the outside (Juliette) but had assumed that was Dharma before.

I'd give it a 4/10 all in all as the stupid, stupid parts far outweighed the decent bits.

randomchild · 09-03-2007 12:52AM

I think this was a great episode. I really liked how they have planted seeds of tension between Locke and Sayid for a while now, and these are slowly coming to fruition. And i think it was totally in character for locke to press 77, it is part of the whole science vs faith theme.

Sayid (repersenting science here) would have, upon watching the video, scouted out the station, seen that their was c4 below, used rationality to come to the obious conclusion and not pressed it.

Locke follows his instinct and instructions from the island. He was told to press a button by DHARMA (and seemingly the island), and look what happened when he didnt. He was told to push a button again and he did.

Plus I think we do learn alot from this episode:

1/ the purpose of the flame station
2/ who uncle patchy is
3/that the others (if they are the hostiles) are not the same as the Dharma iniative
4/ That Dharma attempted to "purge" the island of the hostiles

Plus that table tennis stuff was pure gold. If this show ever ends Sawyer and Hurley should have their own spin off :P .

jor el · 09-03-2007 12:56AM

3

randomchild wrote:

Plus that table tennis stuff was pure gold. If this show ever ends Sawyer and Hurley should have their own spin off :P .

The Sawyer and Hurley Fun-Time Variety Hour? I can hear the theme-tune already

Basq · 09-03-2007 01:08AM

Decent episode.. flashback was utterfly pointless however!

Bringing Klugh back into it only to have her shot after getting maybe 5 lines of dialogue was also pointless.

The show definitely is very much weaning in quality.. with season 3 being very tired for the most part but it's a show i'll probably stick with to the end. Though i do really tire of it, i'm still in it for the long haul. And it seems pointless to waste the season (or what i presume will be the whole season) simply escaping The Others and then going back to rescue Jack. Season 2 made up for the sometimes irritating lack in plot development with some fantastic scenes in The Hatch, the introduction of Ben (or Henry as he was known back then). But Season 3 has had very little to offer us besides filler, snail-pace progression and not much else.

But like i said, all this aside - i am probably still in it for the long run.

Best line of the episode: "Looks like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon came up with a good one!" Good ol' Sawyer.. how i lol'd!

mewso · 09-03-2007 01:17AM

7

I have it now. Everyone on the plane was picked because they don't like telling their friends important things like "watch out there are explosives here" or "a really significant looking piece of video came up when I won at chess. Anyone any idea what it might be. Hey come look at it with me" or "theres a hatch over here with loads of food in it" or "I don't think we should go looking for Jack to the North because we were on a completely different Island last time I saw him" or "you know sometimes I wonder what the fuuuuuuuuck we are doing here pretending we are not stranded miles from our loved ones and incredibly weird things keep happening to about 5 of us while the rest of us go about our daily lives as if nothing ever happened".
Makes sense because Desmond wasn't on the plane and he actually told Charlie he was going to die. No way any of the rest of them would have given him that pointless bit of information.

rip2roar · 09-03-2007 02:14AM

8

Just so you know, the character who plays Klugh has been sick, and as far as I know, still is. They obviously killed her so that they could answer the question of where the hell she is but stillmake sure she can relax while she is ill. Have you not wondered why she hasnt appeared?

doonothing · 09-03-2007 02:43AM

8

i quite enjoyed it! i get the feeling that no matter what questions they answer, the answer is gonna be a lil bit ridiculous, and we'll need to be slowly weened onto the answer because if they just give it away in an ep everyone'll be like "wtf?!?!" as opposed to being distracted by "ahhhh, so THATS why bla bla and bla bla said bla about bla, it all makes sense!" or something...

as far as im concerned, the dharma folks, fanatical as they are about averting the end of mankind, they believe they'll get it done in a nice happy way, as opposed to mittlewerk who, when dharma failed, realised drastic measures are needed, so, the two came into conflict, and eventually battle for their beliefs, right?

every week, i find myself explaining away why the episode was good but i cant help thinking, WHERE THE **** IS PENNY!!! goddammit..

cooker3 · 09-03-2007 05:00AM

Well I enjoyed it. It was a rather action packed episode and we got to see who patchy is. The flashback was ultimately pointless although it seemed to have promise to begin with, it just showed us something we already knew. Still it is always see some more of Sayed. I have always liked him

Locke did look a bit stupid but in fairness it was obvious to us the viewer that entering 77 would set off the C4 explosive as they showed it but he was never going to guess that although going of to play chess when your supposed to be minding the prisoner was not the brightest move.

I assume there is a reason for miss kleugh dieing and her general absence, as it seemed rather odd. Above reason mentioned makes sense

Oh btw can Kanney put spoiler tags in when he talks about next weeks preview, I purposefully avoid the previews so don't want to know!

The Gnome · 09-03-2007 06:47AM

7

Nice episode but I'm getting a bit annoyed with Locke turning stupid all of a sudden.

One thing I noticed though is that if Sayid lived in Paris then he presumably picked up some French. Why did he need Shannon to translate the radio message in the Pilot? It could just be a continuity error or maybe he wasn't there long enough to bother learning the language.

Thoughts?

Ponster · 09-03-2007 08:37AM

The Gnome wrote:

One thing I noticed though is that if Sayid lived in Paris then he presumably picked up some French. Why did he need Shannon to translate the radio message in the Pilot? It could just be a continuity error or maybe he wasn't there long enough to bother learning the language.

Thoughts?

Oh that's nice.....very nice...well spotted

ZiabR · 09-03-2007 11:10AM

8

The Gnome wrote:

One thing I noticed though is that if Sayid lived in Paris then he presumably picked up some French. Why did he need Shannon to translate the radio message in the Pilot? It could just be a continuity error or maybe he wasn't there long enough to bother learning the language.

Thoughts?

Yeah very well spotted. I think maybe he was not there long enough to learn the language but who knows. The writers to me, seem to be slipping up a bit recently.

mewso · 09-03-2007 11:47AM

7

logik wrote:

Yeah very well spotted. I think maybe he was not there long enough to learn the language but who knows. The writers to me, seem to be slipping up a bit recently.

Well you can explain anything if you want to. i.e. he wanted in on her knickers so he gave her the chance to be important and have one up on her bro.

jor el · 09-03-2007 11:54AM

3

I can't really remember the pilot ep now but I think Sayid mentioned that he knew a little French but not enough to translate the message. It all depends on how long he spent there too, he might have moved pretty quickly after being tortured!

Have you not wondered why she hasnt appeared?

To be honest, I didn't care. Why is everyone (OK, not everyone) going on about her like she was something important? She had a bit part in two episodes before this one, nothing special in either of them either. She just played her part in the lie. Danny appeared in more episodes and nobody cribbed about him getting shot by Juliette.

The 'morale' of the flashback was a little stupid too. Sayid learns his lesson and lets the other guy live :rolleyes: Has he not spent enough time on the island yet to know better or what? Has the keeping Ben alive fiasco not thought them any lessons?

L31mr0d · 09-03-2007 12:03PM

4

Locke made me seriously want to punch through the screen and hit him in this episode. Why the hell Sayid didn't is beyond me, I mean he knew the importance of this hatch, the technology it contained, the dish, the records in the basement... yet he goes ahead and blows it up. I mean why did they need a video of the option anyway, I could of written a little script that would display the options and an enter "1, 2 or 3 to select". Seemed a bit much for such an old PC to devout so much space and porcessing just to tell the user 3 options.

Either way, this episode would of shined for me where it not for locke, who ruined it. The whole Chess story was ridiculous, and I knew as soon as the C4 was shown that whatever clues or hope or information they might find in the flame would be destroyed by John. So they now have a map to the others camp... whoopdidodaday... lets see how many episodes they drag out out of this one... hey heres a thought, why hasn't John shared HIS map with Sayid, I mean he has a rough map of all the hatchs, why not give it to him?

magick · 09-03-2007 12:17PM

7

i dunno, something tells me that by typing in 77, and destroying the flame hatch, Dharma or what ever Organization runs it now will be alerted (yes i know about the outside communication being down)

ZiabR · 09-03-2007 12:50PM

8

musician wrote:

Well you can explain anything if you want to. i.e. he wanted in on her knickers so he gave her the chance to be important and have one up on her bro.

haha yeah, she wrecked my head anyway, all she did was moan.

randomchild · 09-03-2007 01:00PM

I think the purpose of the flashback was to explain why sayid showed mercy to patchy rather than shooting him on the spot. But, Sayid cant have learnt anything from his flashback if he later went on to toruture Ben and Sawyer later on in life could he?

abelard · 09-03-2007 01:42PM

6

As was said, Locke ruined what was otherwise one of the best episodes all series, his sheer stupidity was unbelievable. Who would leave a prisoner like that? Especially a prisoner that has just shot a companion, and has proven to be skilled in physical combat.

Anyway, at least it's setting up the next few episodes well enough. I just hope that now they have the momentum, they keep going on to the Others' village and not back to the beach. I'm finding it hard to imagine what the writers are striving towards any more.

Sinfonia · 09-03-2007 01:44PM

musician wrote:

Well you can explain anything if you want to. i.e. he wanted in on her knickers so he gave her the chance to be important and have one up on her bro.

One of the best theories I've heard in the entire run of the show. Nice one muso

Star Lord · 09-03-2007 02:08PM

8

randomchild wrote:

I think the purpose of the flashback was to explain why sayid showed mercy to patchy rather than shooting him on the spot. But, Sayid cant have learnt anything from his flashback if he later went on to toruture Ben and Sawyer later on in life could he?

He did say it was something he had swore he would never do again when it came to torturing Sawyer.

anotherlostie · 09-03-2007 09:46PM

8

@ rip2roar,
That's an interesting point about April Grace, who played Miss Klugh. I think for people to say she was inconsequential is laughable, seeing as how all series there have been questions as to where she was when the Others were on screen!

I also have to laugh at the constant moaning on this board about people not talking to each other. Because this board just proves that is real life. There is hardly any interaction; people make comments, ask questions, and they are generally never answered by others, but the same points get made over again (with the exception of a hard core group, who presumable know each other from other boards). But my point is - and not to cause a row - that people on here don't listen to what other people say, so why expect otherwise on a TV show? End of rant.

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