Deport Convicted Non-nationals

DonJose · 27-02-2007 12:21PM

Snake Plisken wrote:

Interesting case recently, can't remember the full details but a business man who was in Romania (I think), knocked down and killed two children, he left the country and came back to Ireland, but recently one of our judges ruled that he shouldn't be deported back to the country to stand trial, now that is wrong.

Snake

I was pretty upset with that ruling and posted on it in Motors,

"The High Court has turned down an application to extradite an Irish man wanted in Hungary to serve a sentence for causing the death of two young children while driving."

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0112/extradition.html

themole · 27-02-2007 04:13PM

I agree with the previous posts that convicted criminals should serve their time here and then be deported.

In relation to the above story about an Irish man in Hungary, here are some more details:

Irishman wins fight against extradition

A senior manager with Irish Life has won his High Court battle against extradition to Hungary where he was convicted in his absence of negligent driving causing the deaths of two young children.

The judge said his refusal was based on his finding that Mr Tobin's departure from Hungary could not be defined as "fleeing", as had been contended on the extradition warrant.

In his judgment Mr Justice Peart said that he accepted Mr Tobin's argument that he and his family left Hungary, on November 30th, 2000, following the completion of his work in that country, and that he never fled Hungary at any time before the commencement of any sentence imposed on him.

"I am satisfied that the fleeing must occur following the imposition of sentence, and not as in this case, where the respondent left before the trial," the judge said.

"If the Hungarian authorities had postponed his trial and were now seeking the respondent's surrender so that he could face trial, the matter may be different."

Noting that Mr Tobin had been sentenced in Hungary in absentia, the judge said that the Hungarian authorities had indicated in writing that it would be contrary to their law to retry Mr Tobin.

The reason for the refusal of the warrant was due to the fact that the guy had not fled the country. The Hungarian authorities should have a requested extradition for the trial. Afaik, that is the practice in most cases.

Trials do happen with the defendant in absence, but this is usually due to an inability to locate the defendant or a lack of ability to get them to come back to the country.

Sam Vimes · 27-02-2007 05:44PM

Boston wrote:

If a foreigner committed a crime against me or one of my loved ones I would want to see justice done in Ireland and the sentence carried out in Ireland. You people are suggesting a get of jail free card of deportation. You have to understand that in the country of their origin these people have committed no crime and as such the authorities don't have the same vested interest in keeping them locked up. There's no victims family putting pressure on the government. I can remember the case of that Portuguese guy that shot that girl in bewley's cafe in limerick. He wanted to serve out his sentence in Portugal but the family objected on the grounds that he would would in all likely hood no serve anything like his full sentence.

Deporting Criminals is just selling victims short.

the idea is they serve their time and are then deported. just kicking them out would of course be stupid and deny the victims justice

Sam Vimes · 27-02-2007 05:45PM

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

Well, if America applied your logic to untold numbers of Irish that immigrated there for a new start before, during, and after The Troubles, or for that matter, the last few hundred years of occupation, Ireland would have had a population explosion of returning expats?

If someone comes to Ireland with the will and skill, applies themselves, and makes a valued contribution, what matter their background? Now if they come and commit new crimes, that's a different story.

if their background is 30 previous convictions, then i think that matters. someone with 30 previous convictions is unlikely to be coming here "for a new start"

Hobbes · 27-02-2007 06:58PM

I somewhat agree with the OP. TBH the deportation should only take place after they have served jail time here. If it was your 12 year old daughter that got raped as an example of the OP. Would you be satisfied with them just being sent back to their own country? Where most likely they would not be put in jail.

As pointed out as well children/family become an issue as well if one is jailed, what about those who are innocent? They get sent back too?

It boils down to how they entered the country. Work visa could be revoked, but if they are EU members then the crime should punished regardless of what EU country they are in.

senordingdong · 27-02-2007 08:18PM

Gather them up in a barn, then load them onto the cargo hold of the next trans atlantic flight. The mid Atlantic, you open the hatch. Bingo!

grahamo · 27-02-2007 08:28PM

Decent law abiding people with a good work ethic are more than welcome but criminals should not be tolerated. We're getting enough grief from Irish criminals without having to put up with foreign criminals as well!

DannyBoy.Lt · 16-03-2007 01:42AM

DonJose wrote:

22-year-old Artion Dmitrikov of Viking House Hostel, South Anne Street, pleaded not guilty to raping the 27-year-old woman at her home in March 2006.

This Artion Dmitrikov is a citizen of the Republic of Lithuania, but he's not Lithuanian. This name is russian. His parents probably moved to Lithuania during soviet union occupation.

DonJose · 16-03-2007 02:40AM

DannyBoy.Lt wrote:

This Artion Dmitrikov is a citizen of the Republic of Lithuania, but he's not Lithuanian. This name is russian. His parents probably moved to Lithuania during soviet union occupation.

OK what about this fella. Marius Tamulevicius, originally from Lithuania, mowed down and killed 3 men while driving under the influence of alcohol.

"A 30-year-old motorist had five or six bottles of beer and up to nine shots of vodka before driving off and crashing into a group of pedestrians at speed.

Three men were killed in the accident last year on the outskirts of Navan."
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0209/tamuleviciusm.html

drdre · 16-03-2007 03:35AM

they should be deported if they commit crimes.

DonJose · 16-03-2007 04:45AM

drdre wrote:

they should be deported if they commit crimes.

But only after they have completed their custodial sentence.

16-03-2007 06:11AM

5starpool wrote:

Send them all to the Falklands.

Why, to act as mine detectors... instead of the sheep!

Anyway why deport them to a third country that has nothing to do with them (unless they are Falklanders)

Send them to Inishtooskert instead,

the isolation will make them think twice.

Deport Convicted Non-nationals

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