Southern Ireland

englander · 2007-02-21 09:48:42

Can't find the original thread and apologies for bringing up this old chestnut but I have evidence that Irish people do use the term 'Southern Ireland'. I was slagged on here for even suggesting that Irish people use the term 'Southern Ireland' and it was Brit arrogance etc etc .... In todays Indo, the usual foaming at the…

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#62 22-02-2007 01:11AM

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Paisley is the last of the old guard???
What about his son, he's every bit as bad as him! As long as people in the north wish to define themselves in terms of (what appears to be opposing) nationality then there will be people like Paisley. The only question is whether those people will constitute merely a vocal minority or whether their voice will outweigh their numbers...

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#63 22-02-2007 01:32AM

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PeakOutput wrote:

paisley is the last of the old guard imo and when he goes things will be much smoother sailing for both sides

has his son given up or something?

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#64 22-02-2007 01:34AM

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Mossy Monk wrote:

has his son given up or something?

i dont believe his son will lead the party

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#65 22-02-2007 01:41AM

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Tbh, if someone refers to "Southern Ireland" I usually think they're talking about Cork/Kerry, but thats probably because I'm from the borders.

I always say I'm from Ireland, and will only elaborate and call it "The Republic of Ireland" if I'm pressed on where exactly in Ireland I'm from, ie North or South.

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#66 22-02-2007 10:34AM

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Didn't mean to cause you guys to squabble over this....again.

My only concern is to get the terminology correct but there doesn't appear to be any agreement on correct terminology.

I use terms 'Northern Ireland' and 'Republic of Ireland' but occasionally will use the term southern Ireland in context of not Northern Ireland.

My point is/was that a few weeks ago there was a post on here saying that all Brits (including myself) were pig ignorant because we refer to the Republic of Ireland as southern Ireland. (Not even going to start on the Éire thing !)

Now that touched a nerve as I had heard the term being used in conversation here (by Irish).

I am therefore pointing out to those who took part in that discussion that even a raving anti-brit Irish republican had used the term 'southern Ireland' in a letter in the indo so it must be ok to use.

Thats all.

Go n'éirí an t-ádh leat.

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#67 22-02-2007 11:44AM

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Terry wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxons#Saxons_in_Britain

See also, the house of Saxe-Cogburg Windsor.

Yes but the thing is it should be pronounced, by spelling as Gaeilge, sack-son-ee, whereas most people erroneously pronounce it sass-can-ee... And the first one is even historically correct. Maybe Brian has it right, just generations of cack-handed Irish teachers!

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#68 22-02-2007 12:19PM

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the term 'soutern ireland' pisses me off! when marks and spencer moved to dun laoghaire, the handed out flyers in the area, giving their address as being in southern ireland!!! who do they think they are?!!!!

*anger released*

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#69 22-02-2007 12:31PM

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sweet-rasmus wrote:

who do they think they are?!!!!

a multi million euro company who dont care what the public thinks as long as they buy food there

probably

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#70 22-02-2007 12:41PM

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To use the term Southern Ireland is wrong, unless of course your talking about the Cork/Kerry area, or Munster in general. To say someone from Dublin for example is from Southern Ireland just coz it happens to be south of an artifically created border is contentious, incorrect and yes, ignorant!

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#71 22-02-2007 12:55PM

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Maybe to keep everybody happy, we could become "The Country formerly known as the Republic of Ireland". We could even adopt some sort of symbol to save people having to write all that.

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#72 22-02-2007 05:38PM

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Phil Lynott sums it up perfectly.

"When I'm in the England, I say, I'm from Ireland. When I'm in Ireland, I say, I'm from Dublin. When I'm in Dublin, I say, I'm from Crumlin. When I'm in Crumlin, I say, Leighlin Road. When I'm in Leighlin Road, I say, I'm a Lynott."

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#73 22-02-2007 09:18PM

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Great quote Terry.

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#74 22-02-2007 09:30PM

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It is, isn't it.
I read that about 10 years ago and it has always stuck with me.

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#75 22-02-2007 09:49PM

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Haven't a Clue wrote:

Yeah, we aren't technically a Republic if it's only the 26 counties we have.

We have democracy, the rule of law and a president. We have a written constitution that says were are a republic.

And like most other republics we have a land boarder with another country.

Alice in Wonderland had some lovely quotes about words and their meanings, [/hint]

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#76 24-02-2007 03:02AM

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Capt'n Midnight wrote:

We have democracy, the rule of law and a president. We have a written constitution that says were are a republic.

And like most other republics we have a land boarder with another country.

Alice in Wonderland had some lovely quotes about words and their meanings, [/hint]

True, anything else is quite irrelevant. The most Northerly point in Ireland is in the "South". The Ulster Championship is 9 counties. Ambiguities.

What I hate is people from the 6 Counties (which seems to be the most factually correct description) calling people from the Republic the Free Stater's. Find it a little insulting but I'll get over it. Eire is another one. I think some phone in shows on Sky still use it.

I could be wrong but I remember reading somewhere that the Dail was planning on updating our old Laws, many inherited from our pre independence days. The Act of Union is still legislation. From memory the Free State is still an entity. It was never revoked despite the Republic of Ireland Act. I know it's very technical but the Free State still irks me.

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#77 24-02-2007 11:03AM

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Seanies32 wrote:

Eire is another one.

Have a look at some coins or stamps or government documents or stuff.

éire is also easier to type and can refer to the state or the whole island depending on the context

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#78 24-02-2007 12:30PM

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Capt'n Midnight wrote:

We have a written constitution that says were are a republic.

No we don't.

Seanies32 wrote:

Eire is another one. I think some phone in shows on Sky still use it.

Read your constitution.

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#79 24-02-2007 02:38PM

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When I lived in Northampton, I would just say "Ireland", it nearly always prompted the question "is that southern Ireland?" even when posting a parcel to Dublin!
I know most people are not too sharp on geography, but I expected better at the post office (international destinations counter):rolleyes:

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#80 24-02-2007 08:40PM

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therecklessone wrote:

No we don't..

it's a fair cop gov
It defines a republic but doesn't name it as such.

http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/index.asp?docID=262 - downloadable constitutions at the bottom

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#81 24-02-2007 09:50PM

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Erin Go Brath wrote:

To use the term Southern Ireland is wrong, unless of course your talking about the Cork/Kerry area, or Munster in general. To say someone from Dublin for example is from Southern Ireland just coz it happens to be south of an artifically created border is contentious, incorrect and yes, ignorant!

People who believe that should tell Sinn Fein that they are contentious, incorrect and ingnorant.

Sinn Fein don't recognise the Republic at all!

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#82 24-02-2007 10:17PM

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The term Southern Ireland is a lazy persons term. Just like all those good folks back in Ireland who refer to Scotland as England. It is born out of ignorance really.

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#83 24-02-2007 10:47PM

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Here is the conversation I had in my local bank last summer.

Me: Hi, I am going to Ireland next week. Just wondering what are the charges like when I use my bank card there.

Woman in bank: Are you going to Northern Ireland or Southern Ireland?

Me: Erm, Republic of Ireland.

Her: That's Southern Ireland.

Her went on about charges, me in shock because of the charges and her geography...

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#84 24-02-2007 11:01PM

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Seanies32 wrote:

What I hate is people from the 6 Counties (which seems to be the most factually correct description) calling people from the Republic the Free Stater's.

Oh, I find it funny. Last time someone mentioned it in person to me my response was "mmm, emphasis on 'Free', eh?" Didn't go down to well at all.

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#85 25-02-2007 12:55AM

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A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

The term Southern Ireland is a lazy persons term. Just like all those good folks back in Ireland who refer to Scotland as England. It is born out of ignorance really.

I've never heard anyone say England for Scotland. Maybe Britain, yeah, but not England.

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#86 25-02-2007 02:43AM

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therecklessone wrote:

Read your constitution.

The constitution was enacted before we where a Republic.

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#87 25-02-2007 02:51AM

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Haven't a Clue wrote:

I've never heard anyone say England for Scotland. Maybe Britain, yeah, but not England.

ya ive heard england for the UK and britain maybe a few times scotland or wales though to be honest

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#88 25-02-2007 03:14AM

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Didn't we go through this with the Brittish Isles crap? A geographical term versus a political;y identified area? Oh who cares. We're all conformed alcoholics.

Kind reminds me of the Life of Brian

"You are all different!"
"YES!!! WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT!!!"
Except me..... I'm not different....

Now, my woman is feeling my crotch so I;m going to say goodnight....

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#89 25-02-2007 03:21AM

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Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Didn't we go through this with the Brittish Isles crap? A geographical term versus a political;y identified area? Oh who cares?

Yes we did and your right...who the hell cares.

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#90 25-02-2007 03:59PM

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Seanies32 wrote:

The constitution was enacted before we where a Republic.

You don't say...:rolleyes:

Read this post.

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#91 25-02-2007 07:37PM

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therecklessone wrote:

You don't say...:rolleyes:

Read this post.

Ok. The Act of Union is still law to.

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