Southern Ireland

englander

Can't find the original thread and apologies for bringing up this old chestnut but I have evidence that Irish people do use the term 'Southern Ireland'.

I was slagged on here for even suggesting that Irish people use the term 'Southern Ireland' and it was Brit arrogance etc etc ....

In todays Indo, the usual foaming at the mouth anti Brit brigade bile that I am subjected to on a daily basis living in this 'friendly' country...

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=53&si=1779950&issue_id=15279 (requires registration)

Queen's visit inappropriate
Not alone do I believe the playing of God Save the Queen at Croke Park is an affront to the families of those who were murdered that day. But if, as anticipated, an invitation is extended to Queen Elizabeth II to pay an official State visit to this country, it should be vigorously opposed. If an official State visit to southern Ireland by Queen Elizabeth does take place, it will be the first such visit by a reigning monarch since independence in 1922.
This is highly significant.
.....blah ...blah

So there !

funk-you

Some people use it, most dont. Whats your point?

-Funk

brianthebard

Dude...petty. Very small of you. Lots of people use the term Southern Ireland. You seem like an angry person.
No offense loike.

petes

Context etc. etc.

namloc1980

englander wrote:

Can't find the original thread and apologies for bringing up this old chestnut but I have evidence that Irish people do use the term 'Southern Ireland'.

I was slagged on here for even suggesting that Irish people use the term 'Southern Ireland' and it was Brit arrogance etc etc ....

In todays Indo, the usual foaming at the mouth anti Brit brigade bile that I am subjected to on a daily basis living in this 'friendly' country...

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=53&si=1779950&issue_id=15279 (requires registration)

Queen's visit inappropriate
Not alone do I believe the playing of God Save the Queen at Croke Park is an affront to the families of those who were murdered that day. But if, as anticipated, an invitation is extended to Queen Elizabeth II to pay an official State visit to this country, it should be vigorously opposed. If an official State visit to southern Ireland by Queen Elizabeth does take place, it will be the first such visit by a reigning monarch since independence in 1922.
This is highly significant.
.....blah ...blah

So there !

Ok!! It's quite clear to me anyway, that the writer simply used the term to distinguish the Republic of Ireland from Northern Ireland. Most Irish people refer to the country as simply Ireland and to the north as Northern Ireland but to make the point clearer he used the southern Ireland term in a casual sense. I doubt when you are asked where you come from you say "I'm from the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland???".

I'm not sure what you are trying to read into this in any case.

Dyr

englander wrote:

In todays Indo, the usual foaming at the mouth anti Brit brigade bile that I am subjected to on a daily basis living in this 'friendly' country...

anti brit bile in the indo? lol

jimmycrackcorm

*ReplaceAll/Southern Ireland/Free State/
*Run

Haven't a Clue

Yeah, we aren't technically a Republic if it's only the 26 counties we have. But Southern Ireland's a stupid name as it leaves me feeling like Donegal's left out or something.

I've met loads of ones who when they hear you're from Donegal, just say "oh, you're from down south". But not Southern Ireland, no.

mike65

Englander, from one Englander to another - stop trolling! NOW!

Mike.

imeatingchips

I normally think that people who use the term are just a bit ignorant of the whole "situation".

The reason is, when I was in America people would usually assume I was English. Typical conversation would go like:

- you guys are English, right?

= no, we're Irish (no offence taken - easy to mistake Kiwi's for Aussies, canadians for americans etc.)

- North or South?

= East

= ahh okayyy [nod head slowly]

The odd time they might try to clarify the matter:

- is that, like, Britain?

= no, it's Ireland. Only a part of the north of Ireland is under British rule. Rest of it is governed by.

But since you aren't ignorant of the situation.... that theory's out the window. ah well.

ScumLord

englander wrote:

In todays Indo, the usual foaming at the mouth anti Brit brigade bile that I am subjected to on a daily basis living in this 'friendly' country...

He's obviously one of your lot. :rolleyes:

Haven't a Clue

imeatingchips wrote:

I normally think that people who use the term are just a bit ignorant of the whole "situation".

The reason is, when I was in America people would usually assume I was English. Typical conversation would go like:

- you guys are English, right?

= no, we're Irish (no offence taken - easy to mistake Kiwi's for Aussies, canadians for americans etc.)

- North or South?

= East

= ahh okayyy [nod head slowly]

The odd time they might try to clarify the matter:

- is that, like, Britain?

= no, it's Ireland. Only a part of the north of Ireland is under British rule. Rest of it is governed by.

But since you aren't ignorant of the situation.... that theory's out the window. ah well.

Ah, but if you talked giotta beag Gaeilge, you wouldn't have that problem. Instead, they'd think you were a wee bit mental and avoid you like the plague.

cornbb

Note the article said "southern Ireland" not "Southern Ireland". The capitalisation makes all the difference, the term was just used to emphasise that the author was referring to "not Northern Ireland". I've never, ever heard another Irish person use the term Southern Ireland to describe our country. Just feels weird!

luckat

Wasn't it a letter, rather than an article? Letters to the editor are the natural home of the odd and the strange.

spurious

The name of the country is Ireland.
I have never heard an Irish person call the country 'Southern Ireland'.

Conversation usually goes:
You from Ireland?
Yes.

Northern Ireland?
No, the Republic/other bit.

kraggy

Haven't a Clue wrote:

Yeah, we aren't technically a Republic if it's only the 26 counties we have.

How so?

InFront

Sinn Feiners usually don't refer to the south as the republic though, do they? I've only ever heard Mr Adams refer to "the rest of the country" or "Ireland" or "the south". Apparently this is something that the British media do as well, though with them I presume it's a lot less political, they just call this the south to differentiate from the North.

Who cares?!

brianthebard

cornbb wrote:

Note the article said "southern Ireland" not "Southern Ireland". The capitalisation makes all the difference, the term was just used to emphasise that the author was referring to "not Northern Ireland". I've never, ever heard another Irish person use the term Southern Ireland to describe our country. Just feels weird!

I'd use it to distinguish between North and South. Doesn't affect my life or world view in any way not matter how you refer to it.

Just so long as well all keep to talking about Sassanach as "them across the water":p

redzerdrog

dont worry about it engerlander all you scottish make the same mistake.

Haven't a Clue

kraggy wrote:

How so?

A Republic of Ireland is 32 counties. As, to start off with, that's what we had before the brits starting knicking counties.

That's what Pearse and those boys were fighting to get, a republic. All 32 counties. The fact that we didn't get a Republic when we signed the treaty was the main argument behind the Anti-Treaty ones during the Civil War.

Mossy Monk

englander wrote:

Can't find the original thread and apologies for bringing up this old chestnut but I have evidence that Irish people do use the term 'Southern Ireland'.

I was slagged on here for even suggesting that Irish people use the term 'Southern Ireland' and it was Brit arrogance etc etc ....

In todays Indo, the usual foaming at the mouth anti Brit brigade bile that I am subjected to on a daily basis living in this 'friendly' country...

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=53&si=1779950&issue_id=15279 (requires registration)

Queen's visit inappropriate
Not alone do I believe the playing of God Save the Queen at Croke Park is an affront to the families of those who were murdered that day. But if, as anticipated, an invitation is extended to Queen Elizabeth II to pay an official State visit to this country, it should be vigorously opposed. If an official State visit to southern Ireland by Queen Elizabeth does take place, it will be the first such visit by a reigning monarch since independence in 1922.
This is highly significant.
.....blah ...blah

So there !

stupid pathetic attempt at trolling

Pherekydes

I'll bet the people from Muff don't call it Southern Ireland.

brianthebard

Haven't a Clue wrote:

A Republic of Ireland is 32 counties. As, to start off with, that's what we had before the brits starting knicking counties.

That's what Pearse and those boys were fighting to get, a republic. All 32 counties. The fact that we didn't get a Republic when we signed the treaty was the main argument behind the Anti-Treaty ones during the Civil War.

Eh, we didn't even have counties until "The Brits" introduced the idea. I love it when republicans start rewriting history.

Haven't a Clue

brianthebard wrote:

Eh, we didn't even have counties until "The Brits" introduced the idea. I love it when republicans start rewriting history.

Ok, they took some Irish terroritory that we never got back. Since then, these territories have developed into counties. So now we can have an accurate amount of what they took off us, which stands at the moment at 6 counties.

Happy?

kraggy

Haven't a Clue wrote:

A Republic of Ireland is 32 counties

No it's not.

The Republic of Ireland consists of the 26 counties and them alone.

gimmick

Southern Ireland is Cork, Waterford, Kerry. Northern Ireland is a state currently under British rule.

People who refer to the 26 countries as Southern Ireland really irk me. It is like they have no sense of identity other than differentiating their country from another state. Call centre workers are especially culpable for this.

Hagar

kraggy wrote:

No it's not.

The Republic of Ireland consists of the 26 counties and them alone.

Now there's a tricky one for you.

The original Irish Consitution has always stated that the country consisted of the whole island.

Article 2

The national territory consists of the whole island of Ireland, its islands and the territorial seas.

Article 3

Pending the re-integration of the national territory, and without prejudice to the right of the parliament and government established by this constitution to exercise jurisdiction over the whole territory, the laws enacted by the parliament shall have the like area and extent of application as the laws of Saorstat Éireann[2] and the like extra-territorial effect.

An amendment was passed into law as part of the Good Friday Agreement in 1998 whereby the claim to a 32 county Republic was dropped as part of a quid-pro-quo deal on a new power sharing structure in Northen Ireland. Nine years later the Unionists still haven't fulfilled their part of the Agreement. If they continue to refuse to honour their part of the Agreement then I can see no legal reason why the Good Friday Agreement should not be nullified and therefore by default we will revert to a nominal 32 county Republic.

So I think it's fair comment that until they do step up to the mark and keep their side of the deal we reserve the right to withdraw our offer.


/edited for typos

Haven't a Clue

So before the Good Friday Agreement, to call the 26 counties a Republic wsa nonsense? But after, it's grand? But it might change back if the Unionists don't get their heads out of their asses soon?

Hagar

Yeah, that's about it.

Kaiser_Sma

gimmick wrote:

Southern Ireland is Cork, Waterford, Kerry. Northern Ireland is a state currently under British rule.

People who refer to the 26 countries as Southern Ireland really irk me. It is like they have no sense of identity other than differentiating their country from another state. Call centre workers are especially culpable for this.

Personally it bothers me when people deliberately refer to northern ireland as the '6 counties' purely because a term combining 'northern' and 'ireland' isn't politically correct enough for them.

I thought John A Costello proclaimed it to be a republic though?

Anyways, I would never refer to Ireland as Southern Ireland. I mean, how many Americans refer to their country as Northern America? Or to Canada as Northern America (even though this is a bit far off.. ya get my point). If talking to a friend up the North I would refer to it as "down South".