Southern Ireland

Terry · 21-02-2007 04:37PM

I live in Souther Ireland.
Happy now, Englander?

Flukey · 21-02-2007 05:23PM

Like Imeatingchips, if someone asks me if I am from the north or the south, I tell them that I am from the east. Of course the funny thing about this is the following facts. Geographically:

The most northerly part of the country is in "The South".
The most easterly part of the country is in "The North".
The most westerly part of the country is in the south.
Only the most southerly part of the county is in the south.

biko · 21-02-2007 05:34PM

Free State ftw

Haven't a Clue · 21-02-2007 05:48PM

Kaiser_Sma wrote:

Personally it bothers me when people deliberately refer to northern ireland as the '6 counties' purely because a term combining 'northern' and 'ireland' isn't politically correct enough for them.

Loads of foreigners think Donegal's in the North. So they can keep saying 6 counties for all I care.

PeakOutput · 21-02-2007 06:15PM

our country is called the Republic of Ireland which does not include the 6 counties / northern Ireland the island which our country is on is called ireland this does include those 6 counties...........

we can claim what we want it dosnt make it true

englander you are a troll but thats fine in a few years(in my lifetime anyway) we will be able to call the whole island Ireland or Republic of Ireland or whatever we want to call it and this argument will not matter

JaysusMacfeck · 21-02-2007 07:39PM

Not this again!

I think some Brits have the impression that Ireland is split evenly across the middle, not really understanding the difference between the two, and not aware that the "south" is a sovereign EU state. Am I right?

You also have a large amount of people you live in Ulster who are in the Republic and certainly not "Southern Ireland".

I think the general ignorance of British people about Ireland is what annoys some Paddys.

county · 21-02-2007 07:44PM

PeakOutput wrote:

our country is called the Republic of Ireland which does not include the 6 counties / northern Ireland the island which our country is on is called ireland this does include those 6 counties...........

we can claim what we want it dosnt make it true

englander you are a troll but thats fine in a few years(in my lifetime anyway) we will be able to call the whole island Ireland or Republic of Ireland or whatever we want to call it and this argument will not matter

lol:rolleyes:

Haven't a Clue · 21-02-2007 07:50PM

PeakOutput wrote:

our country is called the Republic of Ireland which does not include the 6 counties / northern Ireland the island which our country is on is called ireland this does include those 6 counties...........

we can claim what we want it dosnt make it true

englander you are a troll but thats fine in a few years(in my lifetime anyway) we will be able to call the whole island Ireland or Republic of Ireland or whatever we want to call it and this argument will not matter

As slightly daft as that sounds, I'd have to ask why not?

If the Israelis can get kicked out of the Gaza Strip, why can't we get the north back and have a proper republic?

21-02-2007 07:56PM

Southern Ireland? Counties Cork and Kerry?

TU154 · 21-02-2007 08:04PM

PeakOutput wrote:

our country is called the Republic of Ireland which does not include the 6 counties / northern Ireland the island which our country is on is called ireland this does include those 6 counties...........

we can claim what we want it dosnt make it true

englander you are a troll but thats fine in a few years(in my lifetime anyway) we will be able to call the whole island Ireland or Republic of Ireland or whatever we want to call it and this argument will not matter

I hope not. The current tax burden is enough paying for the 26 counties. The huge expenditure on Norn Iron by the UK government in maintaining artificial levels of employment will not be matched by the Irish government. And personally I don't want to fund it.
Norn Iron is pretty much it's own entity now. Even most nationalists don't feel like they want to belong to a 32 county Ireland. An autonomous state would be a better idea. Also, you think Bertie and co could take on the issues of what's now referred to as the "most bigoted place on earth?" Where a french teaching assistant gets warned out of an area by the police because the local bigots have it in for her because she's "not from around"?

On a funnier note, when I were a lad up in college "in the north", "free staters" were also referred to as "mexicans" as we were from south of the border.

Hehehe.
Anyway it's not important in the grand scheme of things. Except in peoples minds, and it's certainly not worth getting worked up over.
I had to convince some american colleagues recently that (the Republic of) Ireland was an independant sovereign (sp) state with no dependance on the UK whatsoever. But that's another matter.

5starpool · 21-02-2007 08:13PM

Haven't a Clue wrote:

As slightly daft as that sounds, I'd have to ask why not?

If the Israelis can get kicked out of the Gaza Strip, why can't we get the north back and have a proper republic?

If there was a referendum there would be at least a very significant minority voting against it, including myself. As mentioned above, the tax burden if for no other reason, is enough.

1huge1 · 21-02-2007 08:33PM

TU154 wrote:

I hope not. The current tax burden is enough paying for the 26 counties. The huge expenditure on Norn Iron by the UK government in maintaining artificial levels of employment will not be matched by the Irish government. And personally I don't want to fund it.
Norn Iron is pretty much it's own entity now. Even most nationalists don't feel like they want to belong to a 32 county Ireland. An autonomous state would be a better idea. Also, you think Bertie and co could take on the issues of what's now referred to as the "most bigoted place on earth?" Where a french teaching assistant gets warned out of an area by the police because the local bigots have it in for her because she's "not from around"?

On a funnier note, when I were a lad up in college "in the north", "free staters" were also referred to as "mexicans" as we were from south of the border. Hehehe.
Anyway it's not important in the grand scheme of things. Except in peoples minds, and it's certainly not worth getting worked up over.
I had to convince some american colleagues recently that (the Republic of) Ireland was an independant sovereign (sp) state with no dependance on the UK whatsoever. But that's another matter.

I agree completly its comes to a place were most people in the north are happy with the way things are and most people here just don't care

Haven't a Clue · 21-02-2007 08:41PM

5starpool wrote:

If there was a referendum there would be at least a very significant minority voting against it, including myself. As mentioned above, the tax burden if for no other reason, is enough.

Fair enough. By the way, I'm only throwing the point out there. Last thing I'd want is to be stuck in the same nation as what yer man described as 'the most bigotted nation on earth'.

brianthebard · 21-02-2007 08:44PM

Haven't a Clue wrote:

As slightly daft as that sounds, I'd have to ask why not?

If the Israelis can get kicked out of the Gaza Strip, why can't we get the north back and have a proper republic?

What is this bull about being a proper republic? Where does it say in the dictionary that a republic must consist of 32 counties?? FFs

Civilian_Target · 21-02-2007 09:05PM

Southern Ireland? They call that Munster, right? They have a really awful rugby team, roysh?

(Gawd, these free-staters seem to have got stupider by the day since they left the commonwealth... )

Haven't a Clue · 21-02-2007 09:30PM

brianthebard wrote:

What is this bull about being a proper republic? Where does it say in the dictionary that a republic must consist of 32 counties?? FFs

Look at the last page. It's explained there. Until the Good Friday Agreement, 26 counties was not a Republic.

brianthebard · 21-02-2007 09:48PM

First off your wording is atrocious. France is "A republic". So in mere technical terms 26 counties can be "a republic". Secondly your reference to articles two and three only serves to show Dev's attempts to overstep his boundaries by laying claim to the whole Island and its islands and territorial seas. There is no way that article three could have been put into effect without seriously breaching legal fighey wigheyness in Ireland and England. Finally these articles were written (to the best of my knowledge) in the 1937 constitution, when Ireland was a Free State.

A vague constitutional attempt to claim the six counties as being part of the Free State is up there with the idea that a woman's place is in the home, that there should be dances at the crossroads and that Ireland could be economically self-sufficent. Untenable, each and every one.

therecklessone · 21-02-2007 09:58PM

It appears a number of people need to reacquaint themselves with Bunreact na hEireann.

Article 4:

The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland.

The Republic of Ireland Act 1948 states:

It is hereby declared that the description of the State shall be the Republic of Ireland.

Note the use of the word description. To change the name of the state would require a constitutional amendment, which can only be brought about by referendum.

The original articles 2 and 3 provided a balance between the aspirational claim to the territory and the pragmatic acknowledgment of jurisdiction. Even if they were reinstated, no material change to the name or description of the state would occur.

InFront · 21-02-2007 10:15PM

Very interesting, I thought there had been a referendum along with the general election that followed the Act but apparently not. So the popular name (as opposed to the description) is not the constitutional one, so still a 'Republic all but in name' as it was in 1937?
Very strange.

SimpleSam06 · 21-02-2007 10:52PM

brianthebard wrote:

Just so long as well all keep to talking about Sassanach as "them across the water":p

I always wondered why the English are called the "sassanach" or whatever, when its cleary spelled "sacsanaigh", saxons, in most Irish texts. Not jumping on you or anything Brian, I've asked Irish teachers on it before too, never got a satisfactory answer.

brianthebard · 21-02-2007 11:01PM

Poor spelling passed from generation to generation? I haven't a clue personally Irish was not a strong subject for me.

Terry · 21-02-2007 11:03PM

SimpleSam06 wrote:

I always wondered why the English are called the "sassanach" or whatever, when its cleary spelled "sacsanaigh", saxons, in most Irish texts. Not jumping on you or anything Brian, I've asked Irish teachers on it before too, never got a satisfactory answer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxons#Saxons_in_Britain

See also, the house of Saxe-Cogburg Windsor.

Terry · 21-02-2007 11:05PM

brianthebard wrote:

Poor spelling passed from generation to generation? I haven't a clue personally Irish was not a strong subject for me.

hedge schools.

brianthebard · 21-02-2007 11:11PM

Terry wrote:

hedge schools.

Dude don't give me hedge schools, I was dealing with them this afternoon in lectures...In fact I can see several points that are inaccurate, open to interpretation or just plain wrong in that article....

Edit: after reading over the above again, it came across as needlessly harsh. Soz.

cournioni · 21-02-2007 11:18PM

I'm not from "Southern Ireland", I hate that term. I also hate when Northern Ireland as six counties is referred to as Ulster.

CiaranC · 21-02-2007 11:33PM

Haven't a Clue wrote:

Look at the last page. It's explained there. Until the Good Friday Agreement, 26 counties was not a Republic.

What the hell are you talking about. Do you even know what a republic is?

Terry · 21-02-2007 11:34PM

brianthebard wrote:

Dude don't give me hedge schools, I was dealing with them this afternoon in lectures...In fact I can see several points that are inaccurate, open to interpretation or just plain wrong in that article....

Edit: after reading over the above again, it came across as needlessly harsh. Soz.

I didn't even read the article.

Pornapster:
If northern Ireland was to become an independant state, it would be possible that it would be named Ulster.
I don't have a map handy, but I think it's Macedonia which is one of the former Yugoslavian states and also the name of the neighbouring state in northern Greece.
For the time being though, it is fairly annoying.

Haven't a Clue · 21-02-2007 11:40PM

Another thing that pisses me off is Paisley saying "Ulster says no!". I very much doubt if the majority of people in Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan all agree with Mr Paisley and his opinions. Never mind about the rest of Ulster.

1huge1 · 22-02-2007 12:50AM

do people actually like paisley? like im not being against the DUP's or whatever but are they blind when he talks its like a drill going into my skull (maybe its my love for the northern ireland accent seeing as im not a big fan of adams either)

anyways calling northern ireland ulster annoys me almost as much as people calling us southern ireland but the difference is that when people call us that they mean no harm but i bet everyone who calls the north ulster does it with such intention

PeakOutput · 22-02-2007 01:03AM

TU154 wrote:

I hope not. The current tax burden is enough paying for the 26 counties. The huge expenditure on Norn Iron by the UK government in maintaining artificial levels of employment will not be matched by the Irish government. And personally I don't want to fund it.
Norn Iron is pretty much it's own entity now. Even most nationalists don't feel like they want to belong to a 32 county Ireland. An autonomous state would be a better idea. Also, you think Bertie and co could take on the issues of what's now referred to as the "most bigoted place on earth?" Where a french teaching assistant gets warned out of an area by the police because the local bigots have it in for her because she's "not from around"?

On a funnier note, when I were a lad up in college "in the north", "free staters" were also referred to as "mexicans" as we were from south of the border. Hehehe.
Anyway it's not important in the grand scheme of things. Except in peoples minds, and it's certainly not worth getting worked up over.
I had to convince some american colleagues recently that (the Republic of) Ireland was an independant sovereign (sp) state with no dependance on the UK whatsoever. But that's another matter.

i believe that the uk dosnt want the burden of the north either as from a business point of view im sure it is "making a loss" and that the only reason they didnt get rid of it years ago is because there are a large portion(probably majority at the mo) who want to be british and have british passports

i believe the irish government dosnt want it for the same reasons

however i do believe that there will be a point when there will be a referendum where the majority will EITHER vote to join the republic or at least be an independant state...........so to clarify my own view personally i feel the uk has no rights to the north or any of ireland but realistically i dont believe anything should change until the people of northern ireland democratically decide which way to go

paisley is the last of the old guard imo and when he goes things will be much smoother sailing for both sides and if what i saw last night on the tv about the north(think it was prime time) they made a very good argument about how the majority of the dup is not behind certain things that paisley stands for and there is a strong likelihood that the party will split..........if that happens then as far as i know that leaves sinnfein in the majority

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