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God Save The Queen in Croker

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear


    netwhizkid wrote:
    I remain opposed to the use of Croke Park for all British Games, and to hear god save the queen played there will be the ultimate sell-out to our culture our history and our fighting cause. As has been said earlier about the riots. I will not be one bit surprised if I turn on the news and see riots there as it is .................... [/SIZE]

    lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 49 flanger20002003


    Can't see it making much of a difference tbh. Think it's just a tad more significant that they're actually playing the match there...reckon it'd be a very small, petty minority that would make a big deal out of it by booing etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,266 ✭✭✭Steyr


    netwhizkid wrote:
    I remain opposed to the use of Croke Park for all British Games, and to hear god save the queen played there will be the ultimate sell-out to our culture our history and our fighting cause. As has been said earlier about the riots. I will not be one bit surprised if I turn on the news and see riots there as it is totally unacceptable to have a English team be allowed into Croke Park after the genocidal ethnic cleansing they did there.


    Said like a True "Irish" man:rolleyes: , grow up, by the way can ye hear me all the way back there in the 20's?:rolleyes: The past is in the past leave it there please, come on il help you join Europe, were all friends now dont you know?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭Civilian_Target


    Better get some practice in...

    God save our gracious Queen, Long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen.
    Send her victorious, Happy and glorious, Long to reign over us,
    God save the Queen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Judt


    Steyr wrote:
    Said like a True "Irish" man:rolleyes: , grow up, by the way can ye hear me all the way back there in the 20's?:rolleyes: The past is in the past leave it there please, come on il help you join Europe, were all friends now dont you know?
    Read to the end of the post :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    i really cant see it happening without some minority of the crowd booing i will be more suprised if it isnt booed to be honest


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,266 ✭✭✭Steyr


    Judt wrote:
    Read to the end of the post :D


    I did but his true narrowminded feelings were all at the start of the post, i will be one seriously unhappy Irish man if i hear "boos" at this Match, it will show to the entire world that Ireland cant move on and has not grown up and matured and we would look very petty indeed to a World audience if GSTQ gets booed. Shame on all the people who even contemplate doing it:mad:


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Judt wrote:
    Read to the end of the post :D

    The original comment may be tongue-in-cheek, but unfortunately, there are too many people out there who still believe it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Haven't a Clue


    with a blindfold on by any chance?
    Dont try to tell me that GAA fans are angels just because there not segregated.
    At last years munster final, i witnissed a drunken 'fan' pissing in the centre of the terrace, during the game, being watched by 2 stunned german tourists.
    Thats one incident. I wont tell you what i saw at the All-Ireland.

    The point that i'm making is that somehow, scumbags get their hands on tickets for every major sporting events. There will be 82,000 people at the game (hopefully myself included) and it is almost guaranteed that some of them will act like maggots.
    Kerry and Cork are the hotbeds for the Anti-Opening of Croker side. They're the more die-hard nationalists in the country.

    But, GAA fans in general are a decent shower, especially in comparison with the soccer shower. At inter-county games, there's rarely any of the really nasty crap you hear from soccer matches (eg. I went to a United-Liverpool match a couple of seasons back and one of the songs were 'Are You Watching Michael Shields?'). Usually whatever happens on the pitch is left there, and GAA fans can go for a couple of pints after a game without any hassle.

    Of course you'll get the odd gob****e, every sport has them, but they're still not half as bad as many other sports' fans.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Why is anyone talking about GAA-heads? Its a rugger match they won't be there bar a crazy few.

    Mike.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Haven't a Clue


    mike65 wrote:
    Why is anyone talking about GAA-heads? Its a rugger match they won't be there bar a crazy few.

    Mike.
    Wondered the same. I just didn't want to let yer man away with ridiculing GAA fans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭mobby


    Hope England dont win 19-16 :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    I'll be the first one to stand up and say my memory isn't the greatest, but I seem to remember something happening during a soccer match in landsdown road a few years back.
    Apparently some english fans started a mini riot there.
    All I see here is 'god I hope the Irish there behave themselves'.
    You would be under the impression that scumbags are indiginous to this fair isle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭Flukey


    We're the home team, do we hope the final score isn't 19 - 20 or 19 - 22. If it is 19 - 16, then we'll have won. It should be a lot more comfortable than that though.

    I am a GAA fan myself, but as an Irishman and a sports fan, it will be great to see the Irish Rugby team play in Croke Park, even if I won't be there, not having the contacts. For many GAA fans that thought it might, including a contributor to this thread, the world did not end yesterday. Fortunately the majority of GAA fans, who are also soccer fans, rugby fans, horseracing fans, golf fans etc. do not think that way. 1920 is long gone and an awful lot has changed since then. So roll on England!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,240 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    I seriously doubt there will be any booing. If there is they will be quickly told to shut up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    Terry wrote:
    I'll be the first one to stand up and say my memory isn't the greatest, but I seem to remember something happening during a soccer match in landsdown road a few years back.
    Apparently some english fans started a mini riot there.
    All I see here is 'god I hope the Irish there behave themselves'.
    You would be under the impression that scumbags are indiginous to this fair isle.

    yeh good point


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭Flukey


    Terry, rugby fans, English and others, are generally well behaved. It is only the English soccer fans, and at that a very small minority of them, that cause problems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭Flukey


    I taped the BBC coverage yesterday, to see what they'd say about it. Beamed across homes in Britain and beyond were images of Gaelic Football and Hurling, and much of its history and the significance of the day. They spoke about 1916, 1920, Michael Hogan and other such things. Many would have seen all that for the first time. The British public watching would have been left under no illusions as to what happened there on that fateful day. It was very well and honestly done. I am sure they will do something similar before the England game, for those that might not have watched yesterday's match.

    To those that were afraid that the GAA were promoting "their" games, in fact the "Brits" were promoting "our" games! It was great promotion for Gaelic games and Croke Park. People all over the world were watching it too. My brother was watching it in the Caribbean and there would be many seeing Gaelic Games and hearing about the GAA for the first time. A great day, except for the result of course. I'd love to have been there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Fury at Hain's rugby wreath plan


    Minister wants to pay tribute to 13 shot dead by British soldiers at Croke Park in 1920

    Henry McDonald, Ireland editor
    Sunday February 11, 2007
    The Observer

    While history is being made today when Ireland's rugby union team run out on to Croke Park to take on the French, a row is raging about the next Six Nations clash at the home of Gaelic sports.

    The Observer has learnt that, before the Ireland v England game in two weeks' time, the Northern Ireland Office is considering plans for Secretary of State Peter Hain to lay a wreath at a memorial to 13 Gaelic sports fans shot dead by British forces inside the stadium in 1920 and issue an apology from the British government for what has become known as the first 'Bloody Sunday' massacre. Both Irish rugby veterans and Unionist MPs are up in arms at the proposals.

    Article continues
    Former Ireland international and British Lion Trevor Ringland said last night that the proposal for such a politically charged ceremony posed great dangers for peace and reconciliation. Ringland, who runs the anti-sectarian 'One Small Step' campaign in Northern Ireland, said: 'The fact that this game is being played at Croke Park, thanks to the generous decision of the Gaelic Athletic Association, will have positive ripple effects for the future.

    'But plans for a wreath-laying ceremony and the apology will only mix sport with politics. It will bring the politics of the 20th century into the attempts at reconciliation in the 21st century. The government should think again before going ahead with something like this.'

    Democratic Unionist MP Jeffrey Donaldson accused the Northern Ireland Office of 'monumental stupidity' in contemplating the wreath-laying ceremony: 'Whoever thought up this bright idea ought to consign it now to the dustbin of history. Rugby has always been a community where politics and sports do not mix. I sincerely hope this plan is dropped immediately, as it would outrage thousands of rugby fans, not only in Northern Ireland but also across this island.'

    The Northern Ireland Office has yet to decide finally if the Secretary of State will take part in the ceremony. He is scheduled to attend the match.

    Meanwhile, English rugby fans are likely to encounter republican protests at the historically resonant clash with Ireland. The breakaway nationalist group Republican Sinn Fein (RSF), which opposes the peace process, has confirmed it will picket the match. The organisation was one of three republican groups that organised protests against a loyalist parade through Dublin city centre last year. Demonstrations against the 'Love Ulster' march degenerated into some of the worst rioting Dublin had seen in decades.

    Garda sources in Dublin told The Observer they were monitoring the RSF and several other anti-Good Friday Agreement republican factions in the run-up to the clash at Croke Park.

    'They managed to turn O'Connell Street upside down last year and we were caught napping. They brought hundreds of young men looking for trouble on to the streets. We can't afford for that to happen again,' one senior officer said.

    The political allies of the Continuity IRA said playing the game at Croke Park - the home of Gaelic sports in Ireland - was part of a process to 'normalise the occupation of Ireland'.

    Des Dalton, RSF's vice-president, said: 'The political symbolism of inviting the national team of a country which forcibly occupies part of Ireland to Croke Park is something Irish republicans are determined to publicly protest against.'

    Dissident republican groups are focusing their protests on the playing of 'God Save the Queen'. They have viewed Croke Park as hallowed ground since the 1920 massacre, which took place hours after an IRA hit squad, set up by Michael Collins, killed some British agents in the city.
    http://politics.guardian.co.uk/northernirelandassembly/story/0,,2010645,00.html


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭walrusgumble


    jesus, sooner the game is over the better


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭connundrum


    Republican Sinn Fein (RSF), which opposes the peace process, has confirmed it will picket the match.
    'They managed to turn O'Connell Street upside down last year and we were caught napping. They brought hundreds of young men looking for trouble on to the streets. We can't afford for that to happen again,' one senior officer said.

    I predict a riot. Sigh :(

    If I don't see an extremely heavy Gardai presence that Saturday I will be so fcukin angry. Really, the Guards seem to employ the aul 'Lets hope nothin bad happens lads' policy on every occassion, and then **** breaks loose.

    See Landsdown Road 1995, May Day Riots, Love Ulster Riots. Before each of those events, they said 'We can't afford for that to happen again'. Get a clue ffs.

    Oh and on topic, you cannot invite a team to play a game and then change the rules - the Welsh officials were 100% wrong for restricting the Kiwis last year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,240 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    And exactly what rule did Wales change?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭connundrum


    Gentleman's rule, I'm not looking to get technical.

    NZ run through the Haka before every international where permitted, Wales didn't allow them do that last year. I can't remember an occasion before that where the Haka wasn't allowed - if you can then I'll take it on board.

    If you invite an international team over to play a game, you must allow them to sing their national anthem*. IMO of course.

    *Edit - and if a country has a tradition along with the national anthem then it should be permitted too, as long as it isn't taking the piss of course (like a 10 minute ballad or something). See Ireland's call, NZ Haka, Samoan Haka etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    connundrum wrote:
    I predict a riot. Sigh :(

    If I don't see an extremely heavy Gardai presence that Saturday I will be so fcukin angry. Really, the Guards seem to employ the aul 'Lets hope nothin bad happens lads' policy on every occassion, and then **** breaks loose.

    See Landsdown Road 1995, May Day Riots, Love Ulster Riots. Before each of those events, they said 'We can't afford for that to happen again'. Get a clue ffs.

    Oh and on topic, you cannot invite a team to play a game and then change the rules - the Welsh officials were 100% wrong for restricting the Kiwis last year.
    well, if it's any consolation, I know a guy who was involved in the love Ulster riots and he got 14 months for his part in that a few weeks back. There will be one less lunatic on the streets that day. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,006 ✭✭✭✭Flukey


    Only a few lunatics are needed to cause a problem of course.:mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Judt


    As many the poor Aussie and South African player has discovered on a freezing cold afternoon in the lashings of rain, you have to stand around for two Irish anthems because rugby is an all-Irish, politics free sport. Ideally it should remain that way, Croke Park or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Maybe if they brought in the armoured tanks again ... ?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,984 ✭✭✭✭Lump


    TBH, I think it'll be fine, once the fans don't make Dicks of them selves, or a few sneaky hardline GAA people don't get in to cause trouble.

    John


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Think it'll be fine also, they're here to play a rugby match and are entitled to play their national anthem before the game.
    If anyone has a problem with it then they're simply stuck dwelling in the past and should either get over the whole thing or do the world a favour and kill themselves.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear


    connundrum wrote:
    Gentleman's rule, I'm not looking to get technical.

    NZ run through the Haka before every international where permitted, Wales didn't allow them do that last year. I can't remember an occasion before that where the Haka wasn't allowed - if you can then I'll take it on board.

    If you invite an international team over to play a game, you must allow them to sing their national anthem*. IMO of course.

    *Edit - and if a country has a tradition along with the national anthem then it should be permitted too, as long as it isn't taking the piss of course (like a 10 minute ballad or something). See Ireland's call, NZ Haka, Samoan Haka etc.

    you are wrong.

    Besides why should we respect their glorified morris dance...?


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