God Save The Queen in Croker

tolosenc

What think ye?

Step in the right direction imho, but are there still those of you who are adamently opposed to it?

aidan_walsh

Hey look, its another potential "Oh God, how I hate them British bastards" thread.

Terry

I suggest people read the charter before even thinking of posting in this thread.
There's your warning. Don't come crying to me when you get banned.

Hagar

I think it should be played.
If she is going to play scrum half at her age she needs all the support she can get.

mike65

Heh!

They played the anthem of those Nuke exploding/Rainbow Warrior sinking Frenchies on Sunday so I don't see why not.

Mike.

RobertFoster

Already done on the History / Heritage forum.

Judt

Anyone want to suggest that we hold our grudge forever? "Come on lads, I'm bored, let's sit around and have a bit of a circle jerk and lambast the Brits. Damn them Brits, investing all that money in our country, buying all our booze, being there to ward off suicide bombing terrorists and rescue our drowning sailors. Damn them all to hell!"

mike65

Ah no-one expects the Monty Python analogy.

Mike.

tolosenc

aidan_walsh wrote:

Hey look, its another potential "Oh God, how I hate them British bastards" thread.

Not what I'm goin for, I'm half British myself. I merely would like to discuss this as a benchmark of Irish society and how its has changed in the last few years.

super_furry

I just hope that the Irish fans won't embarass themselves on a global stage by booing it.

aidan_walsh

obl wrote:

Not what I'm goin for

I'm sure it isn't, but thats typically what these types of threads degenerate into.

Judt

super_furry wrote:

I just hope that the Irish fans won't embarass themselves on a global stage by booing it.

Rugby fans tend to behave themselves a little better than the fans of some other sports we could mention.

J.R.HARTLEY

well as everyone here seems to realise already its going to happen whether anyone likes it or not, so any begrudgers can just get used to it.

RuggieBear

prefer jerusalem meself

Hagar

Judt wrote:

Rugby fans tend to behave themselves a little better than the fans of some other sports we could mention.

Roysh, I'm glad someone noticed Tarquin.

biko

Sure, why not. They're here as sportsmen and not as aggressors.

Nature Boy

As long as we beat them, they can play whatever they like

RuggieBear

btw i'd appreciate if this shite is not moved to Rugby if any of you AH mods were feeling that way inclined

daveirl

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Ruu_Old

I don't see any reason why not. They are coming to play a game of rubgy and nothing else.








moved to Rubgy *activates cloaking device*

Heisenberg.

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connundrum

Em... I've just copped that the the match will be played 1 year (-1 day) after the Dublin riots due to a Love Ulster Parade.. hmmmm.

I really hope that everything passes of without incident, but I just have a bad feeling about it. Note that it is't the rugby fans that I have a doubt over, its the scumbags who will set themselves up outside the ground who I don't trust.

daveirl

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thelordofcheese

two pages in, and not one "feck dem sasanach bastards!" response.


welcome to the twilight zone.

5starpool

If this does get booed then in part it will be down to the media hype around it. It's a boring dirge of a song, and who really cares? If the orangemen played the pre match music I don't think it'd bother 95% of the population, but there are always the morons.

5starpool

thelordofcheese wrote:

two pages in, and not one "feck dem sasanach bastards!" response.

Use 40 posts per page, that way you will get more of a chance before you make your pronouncement

Haven't a Clue

I won't enjoy it, that's for sure, but I've accepted that it's only right that they get their national anthem played. You can't stop a country from singing their national anthem based on something that happened 80 years ago.

I won't like it, I never do, but I'll respect it enough not to boo the thing if I get a ticket for the match. I've reasonable confidence that we won't either. It rarely got booed at Lansdowne from what I remember.

netwhizkid

I remain opposed to the use of Croke Park for all British Games, and to hear god save the queen played there will be the ultimate sell-out to our culture our history and our fighting cause. As has been said earlier about the riots. I will not be one bit surprised if I turn on the news and see riots there as it is totally unacceptable to have a English team be allowed into Croke Park after the genocidal ethnic cleansing they did there. Rugby and Soccer are not Irish games, GAA is period.

The GAA was built by the same people that built this country and for these proud men and women to see this carry on is completely unacceptable. However though I have no doubt though that the visiting English supporters and their Dublin 4 cousins will get the same generous welcome that was extended to Jeffery Donaldson and his love ulster last year.

There is a narrow tolerance for things like this and I can see this ending is water cannon and injured Gardai, expect Celtic Soccer jersey to add irony to it. You wave the red rag at the bull and he will come a charging. Pity as it may make the GAA and its good supporters like myself look bigoted and backwards.

let the games begin....*




*Please note that the above is partially tongue in cheek (this is after hours) although I do remain opposed all the same and I acknowledge Terry's warning at the beginning of it. Anyway howcome I am here near 5 yrs and this is my first time seeing "Terry" modding After Hours?

all complaints to the joe duffy show:D

Stabshauptmann

The Scientist wrote:

Here here.



But, its not just gonna be rugby fans on the day.
The GAA made sure that they sorted out their own crowd with tickets. There could be plenty of cork/kerry/(insert county that can play gaa here) mucksavages going in there specifically to act the maggot.

God i hope its not booed. What a shower of idiots we'd look like.

Can you quit talking through your arse?

Obviously a soccor fan, GAA fans generally are the best behaved. Not only do they not need to be segregated but they often are very friendly to supportors of the rival team sitting beside them. This isnt romanticism, this is a guy whos being going to matches all his life.

I dont need to make any point about soccer, and as for rugby fans - the student bar in ucd goes into lock down around school rugby matches.

It would be a shame if the match was spoiled by anything unsportsman like - like the english team snubbing the president again.

Mossy Monk

netwhizkid wrote:

Rugby and Soccer are not Irish games, GAA is period

how did you feel when American Football and Australian Rules were played at Croke Park

Heisenberg.

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RuggieBear

netwhizkid wrote:

I remain opposed to the use of Croke Park for all British Games, and to hear god save the queen played there will be the ultimate sell-out to our culture our history and our fighting cause. As has been said earlier about the riots. I will not be one bit surprised if I turn on the news and see riots there as it is .................... [/SIZE]

lol

flanger20002003

Can't see it making much of a difference tbh. Think it's just a tad more significant that they're actually playing the match there...reckon it'd be a very small, petty minority that would make a big deal out of it by booing etc.

Steyr

netwhizkid wrote:

I remain opposed to the use of Croke Park for all British Games, and to hear god save the queen played there will be the ultimate sell-out to our culture our history and our fighting cause. As has been said earlier about the riots. I will not be one bit surprised if I turn on the news and see riots there as it is totally unacceptable to have a English team be allowed into Croke Park after the genocidal ethnic cleansing they did there.

Said like a True "Irish" man:rolleyes: , grow up, by the way can ye hear me all the way back there in the 20's?:rolleyes: The past is in the past leave it there please, come on il help you join Europe, were all friends now dont you know?

Civilian_Target

Better get some practice in...

God save our gracious Queen, Long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen.
Send her victorious, Happy and glorious, Long to reign over us,
God save the Queen.

Judt

Steyr wrote:

Said like a True "Irish" man:rolleyes: , grow up, by the way can ye hear me all the way back there in the 20's?:rolleyes: The past is in the past leave it there please, come on il help you join Europe, were all friends now dont you know?

Read to the end of the post

redzerdrog

i really cant see it happening without some minority of the crowd booing i will be more suprised if it isnt booed to be honest

Steyr

Judt wrote:

Read to the end of the post

I did but his true narrowminded feelings were all at the start of the post, i will be one seriously unhappy Irish man if i hear "boos" at this Match, it will show to the entire world that Ireland cant move on and has not grown up and matured and we would look very petty indeed to a World audience if GSTQ gets booed. Shame on all the people who even contemplate doing it:mad:

Judt

Judt wrote:

Read to the end of the post

The original comment may be tongue-in-cheek, but unfortunately, there are too many people out there who still believe it.

Haven't a Clue

The Scientist wrote:

with a blindfold on by any chance?
Dont try to tell me that GAA fans are angels just because there not segregated.
At last years munster final, i witnissed a drunken 'fan' pissing in the centre of the terrace, during the game, being watched by 2 stunned german tourists.
Thats one incident. I wont tell you what i saw at the All-Ireland.

The point that i'm making is that somehow, scumbags get their hands on tickets for every major sporting events. There will be 82,000 people at the game (hopefully myself included) and it is almost guaranteed that some of them will act like maggots.

Kerry and Cork are the hotbeds for the Anti-Opening of Croker side. They're the more die-hard nationalists in the country.

But, GAA fans in general are a decent shower, especially in comparison with the soccer shower. At inter-county games, there's rarely any of the really nasty crap you hear from soccer matches (eg. I went to a United-Liverpool match a couple of seasons back and one of the songs were 'Are You Watching Michael Shields?'). Usually whatever happens on the pitch is left there, and GAA fans can go for a couple of pints after a game without any hassle.

Of course you'll get the odd gob****e, every sport has them, but they're still not half as bad as many other sports' fans.

mike65

Why is anyone talking about GAA-heads? Its a rugger match they won't be there bar a crazy few.

Mike.

Haven't a Clue

mike65 wrote:

Why is anyone talking about GAA-heads? Its a rugger match they won't be there bar a crazy few.

Mike.

Wondered the same. I just didn't want to let yer man away with ridiculing GAA fans.

mobby

Hope England dont win 19-16

Terry

I'll be the first one to stand up and say my memory isn't the greatest, but I seem to remember something happening during a soccer match in landsdown road a few years back.
Apparently some english fans started a mini riot there.
All I see here is 'god I hope the Irish there behave themselves'.
You would be under the impression that scumbags are indiginous to this fair isle.

Flukey

We're the home team, do we hope the final score isn't 19 - 20 or 19 - 22. If it is 19 - 16, then we'll have won. It should be a lot more comfortable than that though.

I am a GAA fan myself, but as an Irishman and a sports fan, it will be great to see the Irish Rugby team play in Croke Park, even if I won't be there, not having the contacts. For many GAA fans that thought it might, including a contributor to this thread, the world did not end yesterday. Fortunately the majority of GAA fans, who are also soccer fans, rugby fans, horseracing fans, golf fans etc. do not think that way. 1920 is long gone and an awful lot has changed since then. So roll on England!

Sangre

I seriously doubt there will be any booing. If there is they will be quickly told to shut up.

redzerdrog

Terry wrote:

I'll be the first one to stand up and say my memory isn't the greatest, but I seem to remember something happening during a soccer match in landsdown road a few years back.
Apparently some english fans started a mini riot there.
All I see here is 'god I hope the Irish there behave themselves'.
You would be under the impression that scumbags are indiginous to this fair isle.

yeh good point

Flukey

Terry, rugby fans, English and others, are generally well behaved. It is only the English soccer fans, and at that a very small minority of them, that cause problems.

Flukey

I taped the BBC coverage yesterday, to see what they'd say about it. Beamed across homes in Britain and beyond were images of Gaelic Football and Hurling, and much of its history and the significance of the day. They spoke about 1916, 1920, Michael Hogan and other such things. Many would have seen all that for the first time. The British public watching would have been left under no illusions as to what happened there on that fateful day. It was very well and honestly done. I am sure they will do something similar before the England game, for those that might not have watched yesterday's match.

To those that were afraid that the GAA were promoting "their" games, in fact the "Brits" were promoting "our" games! It was great promotion for Gaelic games and Croke Park. People all over the world were watching it too. My brother was watching it in the Caribbean and there would be many seeing Gaelic Games and hearing about the GAA for the first time. A great day, except for the result of course. I'd love to have been there.

Terry

Fury at Hain's rugby wreath plan


Minister wants to pay tribute to 13 shot dead by British soldiers at Croke Park in 1920

Henry McDonald, Ireland editor
Sunday February 11, 2007
The Observer

While history is being made today when Ireland's rugby union team run out on to Croke Park to take on the French, a row is raging about the next Six Nations clash at the home of Gaelic sports.

The Observer has learnt that, before the Ireland v England game in two weeks' time, the Northern Ireland Office is considering plans for Secretary of State Peter Hain to lay a wreath at a memorial to 13 Gaelic sports fans shot dead by British forces inside the stadium in 1920 and issue an apology from the British government for what has become known as the first 'Bloody Sunday' massacre. Both Irish rugby veterans and Unionist MPs are up in arms at the proposals.

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Former Ireland international and British Lion Trevor Ringland said last night that the proposal for such a politically charged ceremony posed great dangers for peace and reconciliation. Ringland, who runs the anti-sectarian 'One Small Step' campaign in Northern Ireland, said: 'The fact that this game is being played at Croke Park, thanks to the generous decision of the Gaelic Athletic Association, will have positive ripple effects for the future.

'But plans for a wreath-laying ceremony and the apology will only mix sport with politics. It will bring the politics of the 20th century into the attempts at reconciliation in the 21st century. The government should think again before going ahead with something like this.'

Democratic Unionist MP Jeffrey Donaldson accused the Northern Ireland Office of 'monumental stupidity' in contemplating the wreath-laying ceremony: 'Whoever thought up this bright idea ought to consign it now to the dustbin of history. Rugby has always been a community where politics and sports do not mix. I sincerely hope this plan is dropped immediately, as it would outrage thousands of rugby fans, not only in Northern Ireland but also across this island.'

The Northern Ireland Office has yet to decide finally if the Secretary of State will take part in the ceremony. He is scheduled to attend the match.

Meanwhile, English rugby fans are likely to encounter republican protests at the historically resonant clash with Ireland. The breakaway nationalist group Republican Sinn Fein (RSF), which opposes the peace process, has confirmed it will picket the match. The organisation was one of three republican groups that organised protests against a loyalist parade through Dublin city centre last year. Demonstrations against the 'Love Ulster' march degenerated into some of the worst rioting Dublin had seen in decades.

Garda sources in Dublin told The Observer they were monitoring the RSF and several other anti-Good Friday Agreement republican factions in the run-up to the clash at Croke Park.

'They managed to turn O'Connell Street upside down last year and we were caught napping. They brought hundreds of young men looking for trouble on to the streets. We can't afford for that to happen again,' one senior officer said.

The political allies of the Continuity IRA said playing the game at Croke Park - the home of Gaelic sports in Ireland - was part of a process to 'normalise the occupation of Ireland'.

Des Dalton, RSF's vice-president, said: 'The political symbolism of inviting the national team of a country which forcibly occupies part of Ireland to Croke Park is something Irish republicans are determined to publicly protest against.'

Dissident republican groups are focusing their protests on the playing of 'God Save the Queen'. They have viewed Croke Park as hallowed ground since the 1920 massacre, which took place hours after an IRA hit squad, set up by Michael Collins, killed some British agents in the city.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/northernirelandassembly/story/0,,2010645,00.html

walrusgumble

jesus, sooner the game is over the better