Is it right telling kid's lies - Santa?

Mossy Monk · 10-12-2006 08:19PM

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Mossy how the hell is it cruel to tell a child santa does not exist oh let me guess you like been the child :rolleyes:

um what? what are you on about?

the reason i say its cruel is because it is taking away something innocent that children all over the world enjoy

Karoma · 10-12-2006 08:23PM

I think this is a valid, unique, and interesting thread and you're such a bad ol' chap.
See! White lies make the world go 'round.

PS: Santa exists. Everything: moot. Pffft!

Sleipnir · 10-12-2006 08:30PM

ed6hellsfresh wrote:

and he got. . . a puzzle, or something obviously inferior to a child

surely it makes the kid feel bad that santa didnt bring him that, because surely because santa can magic all the prezzies, money isnt an issue. . .therefore i must be a bad boy....
not very confidence inspiring.
so how do u explain to ur child the gap in pressie quality

You're hardly the first person who has thought of that. In fact, I would say that every single parent in the world has been asked that question. Or at least wondered how to answer it.
Some people have more than you, and some people have less. That's just a fact of life but it doesn't mean that we should get rid of Santa.

My own opinion is that the truth would hurt kids more then the white lie.
I can remember being dissappointed when my parents told me Santa didn't exist but I didn't "hate" them (how the hell could you?)
Plus, if you decide to tell your own kid the truth then there is no doubt they will say the same to their friends?
Do you want to be responsible for ruining someone else's christmas?

robinph · 10-12-2006 08:38PM

So who is the Santa dude anyway, and why was he not bringing me any presents?

All I ever got was the crap that my mum and dad gave us.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 10-12-2006 08:59PM

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Yes he doesn't bring anything. Were all adults but yet you say Santa brings?

Opti I can assure ya my child better looked after than any of yours would be.

Mossy how the hell is it cruel to tell a child santa does not exist oh let me guess you like been the child :rolleyes:

Some lovely mindless and woefully incorrect presumptions there, chief amongst them, the fact that I have kids.

Now, Joeboy, what's worng with a little fantasy? Generally speaking, now, not realting to any specific matter...

Beruthiel · 10-12-2006 08:59PM

joebhoy1916 wrote:

do ye remember honestly when you found out there was no santa bet you hated your parent's? You didn't hate your parent's becasue he wasnt real it's the fact they were lying to you for year's.

No I didn't hate my parents. I was sad there was no santa but I look back on those days and have nothing but fond memories of excitement and wonder. I remember that same excitement in my own daughter which made each christmas wonderful and full of fun. I wouldn't have wanted that taken from me or her whatever about the 'white lie'

You're only a kid once, total reality and real life will be on you soon enough, no harm bringing a little fantasy into any kids life.

4Xcut · 10-12-2006 10:02PM

joebhoy1916 wrote:

I was just wondering what's people's views on this.

Me personally I don't it's right convincing kid's that something is real when it's not?

I know you can say oh what about God and stuff like that but it got me thinking if your a bold boy you get no present's well I always got them and say if you kill someone you go to hell blah blah.

I mean why do you say there is a santa when there isn't your telling kid's something is real when it's not so by right you are making a fool out of your child?

We should all remember what christmas is really all about..

Are you actually proposing cancelling santa. P1ss off.

The Bollox · 10-12-2006 10:11PM

I personally do not see any problem with lying to children about the existance of Santa. Firstly because I personally love the nostalgia of waking up on Christmas morning and remembering what it was like when I was 8. Secondly, as far as I can see it really makes a parents Christmas seeing the look in their childrens' eyes on Christmas morning.

As far as I am concerned Santa does exist if one or more of your children believes he does. Despite all the commercialism, it is a very magical time of the year

optiplexgx270 · 10-12-2006 10:47PM

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Opti I can assure ya my child better looked after than any of yours would be.

Real nice, I don't argue with fools thus i won't be arguing with yourself tonight joebhoy1916.

johnnyrotten · 10-12-2006 10:57PM

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Yes I have a daughter she is two.

I know it's only fairy tales and stuff like that but some how I just think it's wrong. Do you think the Santa guy who dresses up as Santa is doing it for the kids? My ass.

I dont know I just feel it's wrong, you were talking about the tooth fairy I would never tell my child they exist I would say though that they are story's just made up fiction. I would feel very wrong too lie to my kids.

I mean do parent's still tell there kids if there teeth will fall out the tooth fairy will bring him money, I knew a guy who was mad for a few pound and pulled all his teeth out OUCH.

Yes challenge I remember been up all night and seen my parent's bringing in my toy's I always let on I believed in santa cause I would get more present's. I also know people say who are 12 or 13 going into secondary school and saying oh I cant wait till santa honeslty it's true people would have a great laugh at them and at the end of the day that's the parent's fault for telling them something exists while it doesnt.

Get a grip ! Bah Humbug!

robinph · 10-12-2006 10:58PM

Marts wrote:

Secondly, as far as I can see it really makes a parents Christmas seeing the look in their childrens' eyes on Christmas morning.

So it's OK to lie then as long as the person telling the lies is enjoying themselves? Thats a great thing to be teaching your kids.

MrJoeSoap · 10-12-2006 11:04PM

It's alright to lie to children about the existance of 'Santa' if it maintains the magic of Christmas. I don't know of anyone who is in anyway bitter about their parents lying about a Santa.

And joebhoy1916, I don't think most children are angry when they find out the truth. Its usually a slow process of developing a sense of logic and reason, coupled with conversation with friends. When my parents "told" me I certainly already knew.

**Timbuk2** · 10-12-2006 11:13PM

I remember when I was a child, 'knowing' at the time that Santa was coming really made it magic

You would see any star outside and think its Santa, or hear any sound, and rush off to bed and pretend to be asleep!

Christmas Eve night was always the best, you just wanted to get asleep to make sure 'he' would come and have all your presents there for the morning. Even some years I found myself hoping I wouldn't get bags of coal (I wasn't really bad, just heard that story off my grandparents and was cautious)

I think its good to 'lie' about Santa. For two reasons, firstly, it makes it more magical for the kids, and secondly, it stops young kids demanding their parents to tell them what they bought for Christmas. They won't ask because they know its not the parents getting it, its Santa

Sam_irl · 11-12-2006 01:58AM

I found out santa didn't exist when I was old enough to question it and I was dissapointed yet glad I believed--past tense--in him because he had brought so much joy to me in December.
If you want to rare your child to not believe that is your choice, but educated your children not to interfere with my childs beliefs until they are ready to figure it out for themselves. Santa does bring joy to many children and its unfair to impose adult logic in a childs fantasy world until they are mature enough to realise it.
What's santa doing now anyway, must be getting ready:D

Ba_barbaraAnne · 11-12-2006 02:02AM

daiixi wrote:

Hey, I'm 26 and I still believe in fairytales, magic, ghosts etc.
I remember I was 11 when my mam confirmed that Santa wasn't real and Christmas has only ever been the same since when I've spent it with little cousins who still believe in Santa.
I'm not even religious but I think it would be totally unfair to keep the magic of Christmas from my kids. They'll (if there are any) definitely be encouraged to keep up their imagination for as long as possible.

Hear hear! As long as people believe in the magic, Santa, the tooth fairy and everything else of wonder for children and adults will live.

My children seem to 'grow out of' their belief naturally - my eldest two just before they reached 11 and they were brilliant at accepting that it was 'mummy magic' all along! (and never passed on the 'adult conspiracy' to their younger siblings). Santa comes to all kids in my house until they leave primary school, whether they believe or not - ie. about the same time as they have lost all their baby teeth

Lies or magic? What does it matter as long as children have a wonderful time.

Sam_irl · 11-12-2006 02:04AM

Ba_barbaraAnne wrote:

Hear hear! As long as people believe in the magic, Santa, the tooth fairy and everything else of wonder for children and adults will live.

My children seem to 'grow out of' their belief naturally - my eldest two just before they reached 11 and they were brilliant at accepting that it was 'mummy magic' all along! (and never passed on the 'adult conspiracy' to their younger siblings). Santa comes to all kids in my house until they leave primary school, whether they believe or not - ie. about the same time as they have lost all their baby teeth

Lies or magic? What does it matter as long as children have a wonderful time.

That is very true.:)

Catari Jaguar · 11-12-2006 02:07AM

OMG! You people are serious? LMAO

Lets push kids into an adult world and have no innocent happy childhood with wonderment and magic. Get a grip. Evil evil Santa lies!!

MrJoeSoap · 11-12-2006 02:07AM

Lil Kitten wrote:

OMG! You people are serious? LMAO

Lets push kids into an adult world and have no innocent happy childhood with wonderment and magic. Get a grip. Evil evil Santa lies!!

If by "you people" you mean the OP, then yes.

Catari Jaguar · 11-12-2006 02:09AM

The ones agreeing with him.

There isn't much sadder than a kid who doesn't believe in Santa, Whose parents won't allow them too. Really wrong and unnatural. Poor kids.

Sam_irl · 11-12-2006 02:10AM

Why is this a topic?
Maybe the OP needs a dose of prozac or its just his opinion on santa. Maybe he has had a very traumatic experience in realising santa didn't exist. Trauma from that is not that common I'm sure and is rooted to a deeper problem the OP has but surely he must speak for himself! Get rid of santa? OMG!!!

Sam_irl · 11-12-2006 02:12AM

Lil Kitten wrote:

The ones agreeing with him.

There isn't much sadder than a kid who doesn't believe in Santa, Whose parents won't allow them too. Really wrong and unnatural. Poor kids.

I agree. I would like one day where everyone is at home with their families and enjoy9ing festivity is that too much to ask?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 11-12-2006 02:13AM

Sam_irl wrote:

Why is this a topic?
Maybe the OP needs a dose of prozac or its just his opinion on santa. Maybe he has had a very traumatic experience in realising santa didn't exist. Trauma from that is not that common I'm sure and is rooted to a deeper problem the OP has but surely he must speak for himself! Get rid of santa? OMG!!!

This would be my guess. That or he's a troll.

Sam_irl · 11-12-2006 02:17AM

I could not imagine life without Christmas and I want my children to be as happy as I was. If we got rid of Christmas I would feel a void during December as I mope around my workplace thinking about the next conference yet wishing Christmas was back and putting up with the miserable pus on the types of persons like the OP.

MrJoeSoap · 11-12-2006 02:19AM

How would we "get rid" of Christmas... ???

Sam_irl · 11-12-2006 02:21AM

MrJoeSoap wrote:

How would we "get rid" of Christmas... ???

Societies shift of acceptance, just like condoms became accepted and promoted in Ireland since the early nineties. Think about it I would say.

MrJoeSoap · 11-12-2006 02:29AM

Thought about it, but I can't see the similarity. Christmas is a happy time of year for most people, I can't see that changing for the foreseeable future.

Sam_irl · 11-12-2006 02:31AM

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Thought about it, but I can't see the similarity. Christmas is a happy time of year for most people, I can't see that changing for the foreseeable future.

I think we're getting off topic a bit. I would hope we never loose Christmas and that all will continue our tradition as we know it. I hope.:)

Snake Plisken · 11-12-2006 02:55AM

Well if the OP did tell his daughter that there was no Santa (could picture the wonder in his poors childs face draining away) I think she would end up pretty cold and bitter, and would probably want to spread the misery around by telling the kids in class "My Daddy told me that there is no Santa and that he puts the presents under the Xmas tree on Xmas night! The Snake along with the other parents would tell their children that the kid was telling lies and Santa didn't bring her presents because she was bad for not believing in him.

Leave them with some fond xmas memorys like most of the posters have here

Snake

11-12-2006 02:58AM

What? No Santa? Does that mean I can be naughty?

Sam_irl · 11-12-2006 02:59AM

Yes it just seems unfair. I grew up with happy christmas and also grew up with a father who has a drinking problem. I had a very bad christmas when i was 10 where my father ruined our Christmas fighting. I wanted peace and happiness on that day and I have never forgot the upset I experienced!
That's personal but I'm shocked at how people think they can just ruin a childs potential bliss at christmas with something so simple..

Is it right telling kid's lies - Santa?

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