Is it right telling kid's lies - Santa?

joebhoy1916

I was just wondering what's people's views on this.

Me personally I don't it's right convincing kid's that something is real when it's not?

I know you can say oh what about God and stuff like that but it got me thinking if your a bold boy you get no present's well I always got them and say if you kill someone you go to hell blah blah.

I mean why do you say there is a santa when there isn't your telling kid's something is real when it's not so by right you are making a fool out of your child?

We should all remember what christmas is really all about..

MrJoeSoap

What is Christmas really all about?

Of course its alright to "lie" to a child about Santa, its not harming them in any way and it certainly isn't making a fool out of them. Would you prefer to have lived your childhood without Santa every Christmas? I know I wouldn't.

pbsuxok1znja4r

This is going to be a very crap thread. Anyway, no, I don't think it's wrong that Santa does in fact exist, children.

Ignorance really is bliss, like.

phantom_lord

nothing wrong with it imo.

Andrew 83

It's providing them with something nice. I've never met anyone who resented being told Santa existed when they were younger.

bman

Andrew 83 wrote:

I've never met anyone who resented being told Santa existed when they were younger.

In fact I resented been told he didn't exist, Christmas lost a lot of its magic the first year I knew he didn't exist . I would have wondered what was wrong with my parents if they hadn't told me Santa existed for the first 10 years of my life.

SpitfireIV

joebhoy1916 wrote:

I was just wondering what's people's views on this.

Me personally I don't it's right convincing kid's that something is real when it's not?

I know you can say oh what about God and stuff like that but it got me thinking if your a bold boy you get no present's well I always got them and say if you kill someone you go to hell blah blah.

I mean why do you say there is a santa when there isn't your telling kid's something is real when it's not so by right you are making a fool out of your child?

We should all remember what christmas is really all about..

Do you have kids, or when you do will you tell them Santa doesnt exist?

I dont think its wrong, kids believe in the tooth fairy, easter bunny etc etc, its all part of being a child, the innocence and magic, let them have it while they can, why deprive them of it?

challengemaster

what? santa doesnt exist? LIES!!!!

honestly though, its alright to tell a little lie to them. doesnt everyone else remember the way they felt on the night when "santa" came. to be honest i dont think its our right to deprive our kids(when/if we have them) of that special feeling.

daiixi

Whether or not it's right to lie to children about santa, the easter bunny, tooth fairy etc is down to your personal opinion. In my opinion most white lies never hurt anyone. However if you raise your child not believing in these things while other kids get to experience the joys of them then I think you're doing your child a disservice. Just because you don't believe in something it doesn't make it unreal to someone else.

joebhoy1916

Yes I have a daughter she is two.

I know it's only fairy tales and stuff like that but some how I just think it's wrong. Do you think the Santa guy who dresses up as Santa is doing it for the kids? My ass.

I dont know I just feel it's wrong, you were talking about the tooth fairy I would never tell my child they exist I would say though that they are story's just made up fiction. I would feel very wrong too lie to my kids.

I mean do parent's still tell there kids if there teeth will fall out the tooth fairy will bring him money, I knew a guy who was mad for a few pound and pulled all his teeth out OUCH.

Yes challenge I remember been up all night and seen my parent's bringing in my toy's I always let on I believed in santa cause I would get more present's. I also know people say who are 12 or 13 going into secondary school and saying oh I cant wait till santa honeslty it's true people would have a great laugh at them and at the end of the day that's the parent's fault for telling them something exists while it doesnt.

Rb

Its a little white lie and one that I'll be telling my children (when I have some), no harm in it imo.

Tar.Aldarion

doesnt everyone else remember the way they felt on the night when "santa" came.

Why daddy? Why?

BlueSpiral

There's....no Santa?


*lower lip starts to tremble*

Ruu_Old

rb_ie wrote:

Its a little white lie and one that I'll be telling my children (when I have some), no harm in it imo.

Yep, agreed.

joebhoy1916

BlueSpiral wrote:

There's....no Santa?


*lower lip starts to tremble*

Yes that's the point. Your telling your kids there real then they find out it's not real it make them feel really bad, do ye remember honestly when you found out there was no santa bet you hated your parent's? You didn't hate your parent's becasue he wasnt real it's the fact they were lying to you for year's.

What is a white lie anyway's? There is a santa? Your the child's dad for 20 years then find out your not the real dad at all that you were told a lie? You were adopted the list goes on.

Anyway's everyone call's me scrooge (spelt wrong id say) im not I just dont really like christmas.

SpitfireIV

Hmm, I dont know, I mean its obviously your own choice and right to tell your daughter, I can understand that you dont like lying to her. When I realised there was no Santa I dont remember being mad at my parents for lying to me all those years, I just accepted it (and wished then that Santa WAS real because Christmas had lost its magic).

Kids are too young to understand the practicalities I think, they believe in fairytales, magic, etc etc, its all part of being a child. Santa plays a big part in that, the anticipation, the waiting, writing the letter, leaving out the food for him (and a carrott for Rudolf of course) and not being able to sleep Christmas eve night (while being terrified at the same time that Santa would come while you were awake!! :eek: ). Let your kid experience all that, when she grows up she might equally be unimpressed that you deprived her of it.

(Plus its a good behavioural tactic, ie, 'you be good or Santa wont come!!' )

I cant wait until I have kids because suddenly Christmas will come to life so much more again, I can play Santa and experience all that childhood innocence yet again...........I miss being a kid.

Tar.Aldarion

So, anyway, if there was this book(that was about 2, 000 years old) that said santa existed, and that he did these wonderful things, and gosh darn; these people saw him perform these miracles of gifts. Would you still believe in him after childhood?


Just getting in to the real meaning of christmas!

daiixi

Hey, I'm 26 and I still believe in fairytales, magic, ghosts etc.
I remember I was 11 when my mam confirmed that Santa wasn't real and Christmas has only ever been the same since when I've spent it with little cousins who still believe in Santa.
I'm not even religious but I think it would be totally unfair to keep the magic of Christmas from my kids. They'll (if there are any) definitely be encouraged to keep up their imagination for as long as possible.

joebhoy1916

CroppyBoy1798 wrote:

Hmm, I dont know, I mean its obviously your own choice and right to tell your daughter, I can understand that you dont like lying to her. When I realised there was no Santa I dont remember being mad at my parents for lying to me all those years, I just accepted it (and wished then that Santa WAS real because Christmas had lost its magic).

Kids are too young to understand the practicalities I think, they believe in fairytales, magic, etc etc, its all part of being a child. Santa plays a big part in that, the anticipation, the waiting, writing the letter, leaving out the food for him (and a carrott for Rudolf of course) and not being able to sleep Christmas eve night (while being terrified at the same time that Santa would come while you were awake!! :eek: ). Let your kid experience all that, when she grows up she might equally be unimpressed that you deprived her of it

Ahh good point. I dont mean tell kids who are two or three whatever it's when they really get older stupid IMO parents dont tell there kids I remember a guy who believed in him til he was god know's what age he sure did get the mickey taken out of him.

CroppyBoy1798 wrote:

(Plus its a good behavioural tactic, ie, 'you be good or Santa wont come!!' )

The coal man was very busy where I was

Mr Magnolia

scouser.tommy wrote:

This is going to be a very crap thread. Anyway, no, I don't think it's wrong that Santa does in fact exist, children.
Ignorance really is bliss, like

nuff said.







Will somebody please think of the children

BlueSpiral

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Yes that's the point. Your telling your kids there real then they find out it's not real it make them feel really bad, do ye remember honestly when you found out there was no santa bet you hated your parent's? You didn't hate your parent's becasue he wasnt real it's the fact they were lying to you for year's.

What is a white lie anyway's? There is a santa? Your the child's dad for 20 years then find out your not the real dad at all that you were told a lie? You were adopted the list goes on.

Anyway's everyone call's me scrooge (spelt wrong id say) im not I just dont really like christmas.

Aw I wasn't sad when I was told santa wasn't real, it was great to have such a magic person delivery great presents to me for 10 years, and my presents always came with a birthday card from Santa.

Anyway, your kid is going to start questioning you if you don't tell him/her about santa, his/her little friends are bound to tell them anyway, and if you tell them he's not real, they'll probably tell thier friends too. Anyway, kids are hinted that santa isn't real before or they start expecting you to tell them. I spent a full break in 3rd class discussing if santa was real or not with my friends.

emeraldstar

YES it is right.

Mossy Monk

it is perfectly fine to tell children that Santa Claus exists. i think it is cruel to tell them the truth about it especially when they are young. anyone who does so deserve a slap

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Yes. And you should also tell them that Darth Vader is Luke's father BEFORE they watch Star Wars.

Seriously, if you do you do. I would point out to them to keep it to themselves and not go blabbing it about the rest of their class and every class younger...

optiplexgx270

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Yes I have a daughter she is two.

Poor kid

ed6hellsfresh

well i think one point of the whole santa story that can be bad, is that, it puts pressure on the parents to spend an increasingly large amount of money on their children, when the kid looks at a richer family and sees that that kid got a trampoline, or whatever, something big

and he got. . . a puzzle, or something obviously inferior to a child

surely it makes the kid feel bad that santa didnt bring him that, because surely because santa can magic all the prezzies, money isnt an issue. . .therefore i must be a bad boy....
not very confidence inspiring.
so how do u explain to ur child the gap in pressie quality

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

ed6hellsfresh wrote:

well i think one point of the whole santa story that can be bad, is that, it puts pressure on the parents to spend an increasingly large amount of money on their children, when the kid looks at a richer family and sees that that kid got a trampoline, or whatever, something big

and he got. . . a puzzle, or something obviously inferior to a child

surely it makes the kid feel bad that santa didnt bring him that, because surely because santa can magic all the prezzies, money isnt an issue. . .therefore i must be a bad boy....
not very confidence inspiring.
so how do u explain to ur child the gap in pressie quality

Santa brings the same to everyone... it's just that some parents tend to bump up the value of the 'haul' and from there on in go to the some families have more money than others bit.

Works for a friend of mine who uses it...

joebhoy1916

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Santa brings the same to everyone.

Yes he doesn't bring anything. Were all adults but yet you say Santa brings?

Opti I can assure ya my child better looked after than any of yours would be.

Mossy how the hell is it cruel to tell a child santa does not exist oh let me guess you like been the child :rolleyes:

Mr Magnolia

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Opti I can assure ya my child better looked after than any of yours would be.

How can you ?

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Mossy how the hell is it cruel to tell a child santa does not exist oh let me guess you like been the child :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Ruu_Old

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Yes he doesn't bring anything. Were all adults but yet you say Santa brings?

Opti I can assure ya my child better looked after than any of yours would be.

Mossy how the hell is it cruel to tell a child santa does not exist oh let me guess you like been the child :rolleyes:

Put your handbags away gentlemen please. Others are entitled to their opinion and if you can't take it then you shouldn't have started this thread. *ahem*

JC 2K3

/me is tempted to start a thread entitled, "Is it right telling kid's lies - Jesus?"

Mossy Monk

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Mossy how the hell is it cruel to tell a child santa does not exist oh let me guess you like been the child :rolleyes:

um what? what are you on about?

the reason i say its cruel is because it is taking away something innocent that children all over the world enjoy

Karoma

I think this is a valid, unique, and interesting thread and you're such a bad ol' chap.
See! White lies make the world go 'round.


PS: Santa exists. Everything: moot. Pffft!

Sleipnir

ed6hellsfresh wrote:

and he got. . . a puzzle, or something obviously inferior to a child

surely it makes the kid feel bad that santa didnt bring him that, because surely because santa can magic all the prezzies, money isnt an issue. . .therefore i must be a bad boy....
not very confidence inspiring.
so how do u explain to ur child the gap in pressie quality

You're hardly the first person who has thought of that. In fact, I would say that every single parent in the world has been asked that question. Or at least wondered how to answer it.
Some people have more than you, and some people have less. That's just a fact of life but it doesn't mean that we should get rid of Santa.

My own opinion is that the truth would hurt kids more then the white lie.
I can remember being dissappointed when my parents told me Santa didn't exist but I didn't "hate" them (how the hell could you?)
Plus, if you decide to tell your own kid the truth then there is no doubt they will say the same to their friends?
Do you want to be responsible for ruining someone else's christmas?

robinph

So who is the Santa dude anyway, and why was he not bringing me any presents?

All I ever got was the crap that my mum and dad gave us.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Yes he doesn't bring anything. Were all adults but yet you say Santa brings?

Opti I can assure ya my child better looked after than any of yours would be.

Mossy how the hell is it cruel to tell a child santa does not exist oh let me guess you like been the child :rolleyes:

Some lovely mindless and woefully incorrect presumptions there, chief amongst them, the fact that I have kids.

Now, Joeboy, what's worng with a little fantasy? Generally speaking, now, not realting to any specific matter...

Beruthiel

joebhoy1916 wrote:

do ye remember honestly when you found out there was no santa bet you hated your parent's? You didn't hate your parent's becasue he wasnt real it's the fact they were lying to you for year's.

No I didn't hate my parents. I was sad there was no santa but I look back on those days and have nothing but fond memories of excitement and wonder. I remember that same excitement in my own daughter which made each christmas wonderful and full of fun. I wouldn't have wanted that taken from me or her whatever about the 'white lie'

You're only a kid once, total reality and real life will be on you soon enough, no harm bringing a little fantasy into any kids life.

4Xcut

joebhoy1916 wrote:

I was just wondering what's people's views on this.

Me personally I don't it's right convincing kid's that something is real when it's not?

I know you can say oh what about God and stuff like that but it got me thinking if your a bold boy you get no present's well I always got them and say if you kill someone you go to hell blah blah.

I mean why do you say there is a santa when there isn't your telling kid's something is real when it's not so by right you are making a fool out of your child?

We should all remember what christmas is really all about..

Are you actually proposing cancelling santa. P1ss off.

The Bollox

I personally do not see any problem with lying to children about the existance of Santa. Firstly because I personally love the nostalgia of waking up on Christmas morning and remembering what it was like when I was 8. Secondly, as far as I can see it really makes a parents Christmas seeing the look in their childrens' eyes on Christmas morning.

As far as I am concerned Santa does exist if one or more of your children believes he does. Despite all the commercialism, it is a very magical time of the year

optiplexgx270

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Opti I can assure ya my child better looked after than any of yours would be.

Real nice, I don't argue with fools thus i won't be arguing with yourself tonight joebhoy1916.

johnnyrotten

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Yes I have a daughter she is two.

I know it's only fairy tales and stuff like that but some how I just think it's wrong. Do you think the Santa guy who dresses up as Santa is doing it for the kids? My ass.

I dont know I just feel it's wrong, you were talking about the tooth fairy I would never tell my child they exist I would say though that they are story's just made up fiction. I would feel very wrong too lie to my kids.

I mean do parent's still tell there kids if there teeth will fall out the tooth fairy will bring him money, I knew a guy who was mad for a few pound and pulled all his teeth out OUCH.

Yes challenge I remember been up all night and seen my parent's bringing in my toy's I always let on I believed in santa cause I would get more present's. I also know people say who are 12 or 13 going into secondary school and saying oh I cant wait till santa honeslty it's true people would have a great laugh at them and at the end of the day that's the parent's fault for telling them something exists while it doesnt.

Get a grip ! Bah Humbug!

robinph

Marts wrote:

Secondly, as far as I can see it really makes a parents Christmas seeing the look in their childrens' eyes on Christmas morning.

So it's OK to lie then as long as the person telling the lies is enjoying themselves? Thats a great thing to be teaching your kids.

MrJoeSoap

It's alright to lie to children about the existance of 'Santa' if it maintains the magic of Christmas. I don't know of anyone who is in anyway bitter about their parents lying about a Santa.

And joebhoy1916, I don't think most children are angry when they find out the truth. Its usually a slow process of developing a sense of logic and reason, coupled with conversation with friends. When my parents "told" me I certainly already knew.

**Timbuk2**

I remember when I was a child, 'knowing' at the time that Santa was coming really made it magic

You would see any star outside and think its Santa, or hear any sound, and rush off to bed and pretend to be asleep!

Christmas Eve night was always the best, you just wanted to get asleep to make sure 'he' would come and have all your presents there for the morning. Even some years I found myself hoping I wouldn't get bags of coal (I wasn't really bad, just heard that story off my grandparents and was cautious)

I think its good to 'lie' about Santa. For two reasons, firstly, it makes it more magical for the kids, and secondly, it stops young kids demanding their parents to tell them what they bought for Christmas. They won't ask because they know its not the parents getting it, its Santa

Sam_irl

I found out santa didn't exist when I was old enough to question it and I was dissapointed yet glad I believed--past tense--in him because he had brought so much joy to me in December.
If you want to rare your child to not believe that is your choice, but educated your children not to interfere with my childs beliefs until they are ready to figure it out for themselves. Santa does bring joy to many children and its unfair to impose adult logic in a childs fantasy world until they are mature enough to realise it.
What's santa doing now anyway, must be getting ready:D

Ba_barbaraAnne

daiixi wrote:

Hey, I'm 26 and I still believe in fairytales, magic, ghosts etc.
I remember I was 11 when my mam confirmed that Santa wasn't real and Christmas has only ever been the same since when I've spent it with little cousins who still believe in Santa.
I'm not even religious but I think it would be totally unfair to keep the magic of Christmas from my kids. They'll (if there are any) definitely be encouraged to keep up their imagination for as long as possible.

Hear hear! As long as people believe in the magic, Santa, the tooth fairy and everything else of wonder for children and adults will live.

My children seem to 'grow out of' their belief naturally - my eldest two just before they reached 11 and they were brilliant at accepting that it was 'mummy magic' all along! (and never passed on the 'adult conspiracy' to their younger siblings). Santa comes to all kids in my house until they leave primary school, whether they believe or not - ie. about the same time as they have lost all their baby teeth

Lies or magic? What does it matter as long as children have a wonderful time.

Sam_irl

Ba_barbaraAnne wrote:

Hear hear! As long as people believe in the magic, Santa, the tooth fairy and everything else of wonder for children and adults will live.

My children seem to 'grow out of' their belief naturally - my eldest two just before they reached 11 and they were brilliant at accepting that it was 'mummy magic' all along! (and never passed on the 'adult conspiracy' to their younger siblings). Santa comes to all kids in my house until they leave primary school, whether they believe or not - ie. about the same time as they have lost all their baby teeth

Lies or magic? What does it matter as long as children have a wonderful time.

That is very true.:)

Catari Jaguar

OMG! You people are serious? LMAO

Lets push kids into an adult world and have no innocent happy childhood with wonderment and magic. Get a grip. Evil evil Santa lies!!

MrJoeSoap

Lil Kitten wrote:

OMG! You people are serious? LMAO

Lets push kids into an adult world and have no innocent happy childhood with wonderment and magic. Get a grip. Evil evil Santa lies!!

If by "you people" you mean the OP, then yes.

Catari Jaguar

The ones agreeing with him.

There isn't much sadder than a kid who doesn't believe in Santa, Whose parents won't allow them too. Really wrong and unnatural. Poor kids.

Sam_irl

Why is this a topic?
Maybe the OP needs a dose of prozac or its just his opinion on santa. Maybe he has had a very traumatic experience in realising santa didn't exist. Trauma from that is not that common I'm sure and is rooted to a deeper problem the OP has but surely he must speak for himself! Get rid of santa? OMG!!!