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Veronica Mars - Season 3 [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 481 ✭✭SoSueMe


    looks like VM will be dropping the mystery arc element for standalones. Since many people have not liked season 3 maybe it will be an improvement or at least help the show gain more viewers to get a fourth series.

    http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=4992edd6-8f92-4afd-b1a4-d98abaf9af4f

    From Watch with Kristin:
    It should be criminal to make an hour of television like last night’s Veronica Mars. Seriously, someone, please, arrest VM boss Rob Thomas and throw away the key.

    Why? I’ll tell you why. ‘Cause it was so fanfreakingtastic it makes every other show on TV look like it was put together by glue-sniffing monkeys! Can I get an amen, my Veronica-lovin’ brethren?! (I thought I could!)

    Not only was last night’s episode thoroughly rocking in every way, but the ratings reflected it, scoring 3.5 million viewers—the biggest audience ever in the CW's coveted 18-34 demo. Yeeeeeay!

    To celebrate, I just spent a little time chatting with Rob himself. (Yes, miraculously, he has not yet been arrested or abducted by jealous producers of other shows.) And lucky for us, Rob was in an especially good mood (did I mention biggest audience ever?) and willing to spill. So, I had him tackle the most popular questions sent in by you fans. I’ll lead off with the big news…

    What’s the plan for the rest of the season?
    Well, you’ll be the first person to hear this. There has been talk—more than talk—about dropping the whole big mystery idea after this middle mystery and to do all stand-alone episodes and sort of a combination of a few things. The network is behind it, and I am interested in heading in that direction.

    Really? Why the change?
    One feeling is that the big mysteries keep away the casual TV viewers, and the other is that the thing that has been least successful since season one—meaning the things we get the most complaints about—are the big mysteries. My design in season one was that Veronica’s best friend was dead, and every season regular had an integral role in the mystery. And unless they wanted every year to kill Veronica’s friends, it’s hard to have the same emotional connective that’s worth spending seven, eight, nine episodes on a mystery. It’s one of the things we are deciding on right now.

    Is this change something you are interested in or the network is interested in?
    Both. Honestly, I brought it up to the network, and they jumped at the idea. But what I think we might do is the final mystery we were going to run instead of running it as our final five is just to play those as stand-alone episodes and maybe contract that big mystery into a two-episode thing with a cliffhanger as just a trial balloon. And hopefully before season four, we’ll see how it works. It seems like a good time to do it—a good fun test balloon. Try it over five and see how fans and non-fans react.

    Will there still be some continuing story arcs?
    Yes. I mean, we will still have ongoing personal life stories from Veronica, so there will be romantic relationships and the normal travails. We just wouldn’t have a mystery at the core.

    Well, whatever your plan, I’m in. Honestly, last night was incredible. And the ratings show it. Congrats.
    Thank you. It’s so nice to hear, because we have had some glum weeks. It has been a combination of ratings going down a little lower and that horrible [Entertainment Weekly] review. And, well, it’s just really good to have some good news. We got our best ever numbers and really good response to the episode, and we’re all really happy today.

    I wish we LoVe fans could say the same.
    Uh...

    I must admit, I do like it better when those two are snarky and tortured, but you gotta give us fans a glimmer of hope. Was that the end of Logan and Veronica?
    Here's what I'm willing to say: They are not over. But it will be a rocky road.

    And the next arc is who killed the dean?
    Yes.

    And are we to believe the dean is the only who is dead?
    I will answer that, because I didn’t mean to mislead anyone. He is the only one who is dead. He did not kill his wife and her lover.

    I was so happy to see Mac back. I know that she was doing Big Love. Was it hard to let her go for those episodes?
    It’s a little tricky, but the Big Love people were great with us. We love, love, love Tina in the show, and I wish I had her for more than what used to be 12 but is now 11 episodes.

    So, where do things stand on a fourth season? Is there anything we fans can do to help?
    I honestly don’t know much. I got an email from a Friday Night Lights viewer who said lets get Friday Night Lights viewers to watch Veronica Mars and Veronica Mars viewers to watch Friday Night Lights—and improve both their ratings, because they say it’s the best teen night on television, to watch them back to back on Tuesdays. I know the more the network feels it would outrage fans, the better the chance of getting back. But if the fans write them or contact them, they should always do it sweetly. Also, promotion equals bigger ratings, so we won’t miss a step when we come back in January.

    Last question. And it's an important one. Where can I buy an "Ask Me About My STD" shirt?
    [Laughs.] It’s funny, I actually made that up, and I now have one, too. And by the way, we liked that kid so much—the guy who offered Mac the whiskey—that he actually makes another appearance. We find out he was stumbling home drunk from the party and hears the gunshot. So, he’s the only witness who can put a time of death.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 291 ✭✭pokerwidow


    Thanks for posting that So Sue me. It explains the lack of Mac and the t-shirt gets a mention :) . When is the next episode on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    If the seasonal mysteries are out, I think I'll be out. It honestly seems as if the guy had a great idea for a first season and hadn't really thought anything after that through. The whole reasoning to take away the seasonal mystery is hogwash. Obviously it is harder to attract new viewers to a show that is telling a continuous storyline, but other shows manage just fine. This is the era of cheap dvd boxsets and torrent sharing after all. It is very easy for someone to catch up if word of mouth says it's worth it.

    Lots of series have arcing storylines. Soaps are as popular as ever, I remember my parents watching Street Legal when I was a kid, which definitely had arcs. Babylon 5 got 5 seasons, Buffy which had monster of the week episodes through out series long arcs ran for 7, Angel for 5, Battlestar Galactica is in it's third and that is just 1 arc, Heroes is an arcing story and that has great ratings.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,087 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Actually iguana, I've read recently that they foresee us getting less arcing shows, with more "story-of-the-week" after the failure of nearly every single US serial drama this year ("Smith", "Kidnapped", "Vanished", etc). "Heroes" is the exception, not the norm.

    I, of course, hate the move but it's something we might have to be prepared to see more of. Arcs ftw but maybe not for Joe Public.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭kevmy


    First I thought it was a really good episode in that it was easy to belive Mercer did it. He was kinda shifty all along and was there last year where some of the other suspects weren't. It was ironic that the feminists faking the rapes almost helped clear him. He needed Moe to help him get the women to so I think it was just Moe's weak character, combined with being an old friend of Mercer's which made him do it.
    In a way I'm more interested in the Deans murder though cos we got to know and like him whereas anyone who was raped we only got to know them afterwards. Obviously the professor, his wife, the feminists and maybe Lucky Tim are suspects.
    As for the getting rid of the story arcs well they only got 20 episodes so they were going to be squashing down the final mystery anyway so maybe instead of rushing it they are as well of doing standalone episodes. Some weeks thats all we get anyway with a couple of scenes thrown in concerning the main mystery. If we remember back all those years to when Star Trek DS9 was on there was also complaints about big story arcs even though most people who regularly watched it liked them the casual fan didn't really follow them and got confused. Unless who've got a large loyal following from the beginning it can be hard to keep up the stroy arcs.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭Wheels


    "Hello Veronica Mars, it's Alias here... the ghost of TV past."

    What a ridiculous idea it is to remove the mystery arcs. It might be the element they get most critism about but it was the shows sole reason for existense in series 1. Series 1 worked because it was so well planned, the hints were there through-out. Series 2 worked, but tried to out do the first which it didn't need to do.

    Series 3 isn't working because a 9 episode arc just isn't that interesting. There is very little time to create interesting situations or to throw the scent off. The fact that Mercer was accused in episode 7 just proves that. Two episodes later and ohhh no, you fooled us, it was im all along. It doesn't work.

    I have to agree with a previous poster, if the mysteries are out then I am. While I love Veronica's complicated relationship with Logan, and her relationship with her father, that's all she has. The rest are her friends, she hurts them but only for an episode and by the end all is rosey again. There's not a whole lot else to really give a damn about. Mac is not going to be a major player with only 11 episodes. Wallace isn't a lead, he never will be. The emotional tormoil of Wallace would never draw me for five minutes let alone a whole episode. So what exactly is going to push the series forward? It won't work and will become messy, see: Alias.


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