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What TV3 need to do

  • 31-10-2006 06:40PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 388 ✭✭


    I've been thinking about this lately. Obviously TV3 need to improve, however it's always being argued that they haven't enough resources, and can't be expected to compete with RTÉ. So what can they do with the resources they have?

    Firstly:
    Ever since they split up the hour-long Six O'Clock news, the second bulletin has seemed somewhat pointless - even more so since it got moved to 6:30. So why not move the second bulletin to 8:00? It doesn't clash with any of the ITV simulcasts which they have no control over - in fact, it will settle in nicely in between double Coronation Street on Monday nights. Presumably, a significant number of the large audience for Corrie on Mondays would stick around and tune in, thus strengthing the TV3 News brand.
    Keep the 5:30 programme as is for the moment, or move to 5:00. News Tonight could be brought forward a bit, to allow Sports Tonight be aired at a more accessible time, and to get a head start on RTÉ News on Two.

    Secondly:
    Axe expensive, non-performing programmes. Channel the money into sensical, homemade programmes. If it means ending transmission an hour earlier in the evenings, but will ultimately provide a better service, then it's a start.

    TG4's tenth anniversary brings with it fond memories of some innovative, clever programming over the years. All you have to do is look through these forums to realise that few people will be raising their glasses when TV3 turns ten in two years time - unless they do something fast.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    TV3 need to stop complaining and we need to realise that TV3 have plenty of money to produce TV shows.

    TV3 earn 50million euro annually on advertising revenue, they do not support 4 radio stations, 2 tv channels (plus give money to TG4) and have to support Concert Ocharstras.

    TV3 could easily buy in GAA league and ladies football for that matter they could have even taken on RTEs coverage of GAA.

    TV3 could have done everything TG4 had done and have all of the praise plus all of the profits too.
    Axe expensive, non-performing programmes. Channel the money into sensical, homemade programmes. If it means ending transmission an hour earlier in the evenings, but will ultimately provide a better service, then it's a start.

    TV3 business plan is to have cheep Irish TV i.e. Ireland AM, TV3 News and Sports Tonight so that it can meet its required Irish Programming, Hence Ireland AM getting an extra hour a few years ago so that TV3 could sell more advertsing.
    Axe expensive, non-performing programmes.

    TV3 only have inexpensive non-performing shows plus ITV output = $$$$$$$€€€€€€£££££ no need for imagination.
    All you have to do is look through these forums to realise that few people will be raising their glasses when TV3 turns ten in two years time - unless they do something fast.

    Canwest, ITV and some of the Irish investors on the other hand will be very very happy $$$$$$$$$€€€€€€€€€€€££££££££££ chi ching


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 481 ✭✭SoSueMe


    Hereis a recent article from the Sunday Business post dteailing how much trouble TV3 facing at the moment.

    New TV3 boss faces RTE2 battle
    Sunday, October 29, 2006 - By Catherine O’Mahony
    David McRedmond, the former eircom executive who is the incoming managing director of TV3, is taking over at a delicate time for the commercial television station.

    A ratings battle is underway between TV3 and RTE2 as the channels vie to be Ireland’s second-most-watched TV station, against a backdrop of the potential loss of TV3’s crucial ITV programming.

    Recent figures showed that RTE2 - the ratings of which were boosted this summer by a better-than-expected World Cup - has increased its national viewing share to 13.5 per cent in the year to September 2006, compared with 12.3 per cent last year. TV3’s share dropped to 12.1 per cent from 12.7 per cent. The position has, however, already changed. Nielsen ratings through to October 22 show TV3 at 12.7 per cent (for adults) with RTE2 close behind at 12.5 per cent.

    Looking only at September and October adult viewing, TV3 is well ahead at 13.6 per cent, while RTE2 is back at 9.7 per cent.

    TV3 points also to Nielsen statistics that strip out the impact of the World Cup audiences, which swelled RTE2’s share during the summer.

    Using that measure, the commercial station posted a 12.9 per cent adult share in the entire January to September period, against 11.7 per cent for RTE2.

    In the category of women aged 15 to 34, TV3 points out it had a large lead with 16.3 per cent against 12.8 per cent for RTE.

    Still, with a strong autumn schedule, plenty of home-produced shows, and the prospect of big audience draws such as the US desert island series Lost, RTE2 also has grounds for optimism.

    On the basis of all individuals watching television, rather than just adults, RTE2 has gained 1.5 percentage points in share to reach a 13.1 per cent share in the year to date, with imports such as Desperate Housewives, sports coverage and homegrown shows such as Podge and Rodge and Legend all pulling in extra audiences.

    And there is more to come. RTE had, for instance, originally planned to show Lost in early 2007, but is now starting this week, after Sky acquired the rights to the show in Britain.

    The US show’s audience rose to an average of 350,000 viewers per episode for RTE2 in the second series.

    Noel Curran, RTE’s managing director of television, downplayed the importance of the latest ratings changes. ‘‘These things will fluctuate.

    “What’s really satisfying for us is more to see that RTE2 is working really well with RTE1, how it’s fitting in with the overall offering.

    “That’s what we’ve been working on.”

    Curran said he believed mistakes were made when RTE first rebranded Network 2 as RTE2 in 2004. The Dinner Party, for instance, a home produced show on RTE2, did not work, he said.

    ‘‘I think the mix of things we’re doing now works well for audiences.

    “For example, last Monday night, we had a 50 per cent audience share between RTE1 and RTE2. It’s a complementary thing.”

    Matthew Salway, TV3’s director of programming, said he wasn’t worried about ratings trends. ‘‘The usual pattern is that we pick up share against RTE2 at the end of the year and we’ve had an excellent October,” he said.

    ‘‘Movies are doing well for us, we had a great international game and The Box is not doing us any harm.”

    TV3’s future audience prospects are less secure.TV3’s recent sale to private-equity firm Doughty Hanson means that it is only guaranteed access to top-rated ITV programming such as Coronation Street, X Factor and Emmerdale until January 2008.

    Should those shows end up on the open market, and be picked up by RTE, the impact would be considerable for TV3.

    Noel Curran said RTE ‘‘would be crazy’’ not to look at acquiring shows like Coronation Street and Emmerdale if they were offered for sale.

    ‘‘There are shows that certainly would not fit in with RTE, things like Ant and Dec or Celebrity Love Island that are very much British and have a very ITV identity. But Coronation Street and Emmerdale aren’t in that category.”

    Salways aid talks were ongoing with ITV about retaining key programming and that he remained confident that most of it would continue to appear on TV3.

    But advertisers may be sceptical.

    Martina Stenson, managing director of media buying agency Universal McCann predicted that advertisers would start to become progressively wary of TV3 during 2007.

    ‘‘What we’re seeing is a concerted effort now to boost RTE2,” she said.

    ‘‘I think RTE will continue to consolidate its position. It will be all to play for at the end of 2007.

    “RTE has a really excellent quality of programming at the moment, with really strong imports and home-produced material, and it’s going to be the backbone of our TV schedules.”

    TV3’s failure to come up with quality home-produced programmes is a constant source of criticism and the channel has not managed to help matters significantly with The Box, its reality TV offering fronted by Keith Duffy and filmed in Dublin’s city centre.

    Forecast to attract an average audience of 150,000 to 250,000, it averaged 134,000 viewers a night across the first 14 episodes, although it did achieve a peak of 214,000. The show ends this weekend.

    ‘‘Duffy is very good but I don’t think this show has been ticking many boxes with viewers,” said Stenson. Steve Baker, broadcast director of Initiative Media agreed.

    ‘‘Personally I definitely don’t think it’s the best thing they’ve ever done,” he said. ‘‘It’s a glorified quiz show.”

    But Salway defended the show.

    ‘‘I’m happy with it,” he said. ‘‘It was never meant to be rocket science.”

    Baker defended TV3’s point about the need to strip out the World Cup effect from its ratings calculations for 2006. ‘‘World Cup did far better than anyone expected for RTE and everyone else suffered but it is only once every four years,” he said.

    RTE, meanwhile, points out that the World Cup was not the only sports programming to do well for it this year. In fact GAA finals and Six Nations Rugby events both ranked ahead of any of the individual World Cup matches.

    Noel Curran conceded that ‘‘it would be satisfying to see RTE2 as the second biggest channel, as it would show how people are responding to what we do. But if RTE2 was way ahead of TV3 on audiences, and we felt it wasn’t working well with RTE1, we’d still change it.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Noel Curran conceded that ‘‘it would be satisfying to see RTE2 as the second biggest channel, as it would show how people are responding to what we do. But if RTE2 was way ahead of TV3 on audiences, and we felt it wasn’t working well with RTE1, we’d still change it.”

    Yeah that makes about as much sence as what McRedmond said about TV3 when he was announced as CEO of TV3.
    blah blah blah :rolleyes:

    TV3 is sure to make gains during their coverage of Irish matches for the Rugby world cup.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭J.R.HARTLEY


    i still believe the lack of live sport is hurting tv3 they lost champions league and there only sport seems to be is the Sports Tonight program(which doesn't exactly show much sports), you need decent live sport to get us blokes watching, not half hearted attempts to cover the CL.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 602 ✭✭✭mickd


    They need to loose their license and shut down. Their whole ethos sucks, cheap and nasty programming. Another company/consortium could be awarded the license, one criteria being that it does not become a TV version of Hello or VIP, no wonder the bulk of its audience is 15-34 yr old women. Absolute rubbish from dawn to dusk. Unless you like painting your nails or straighting you hair all day then there is no need to watch TV3.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,466 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    I can't believe that there is 12% of the population that watches TV3 - I can't remember the last time I watched it (probably when Arrested Development was still on, but its on about 3 other channels now).

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 233 ✭✭Pansy Potter


    And its back on TV3 on Thursday nights


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭kevmy


    loyatemu wrote:
    I can't believe that there is 12% of the population that watches TV3

    It doesn't suprise me at least 10% of the country are idiots and soap heads. The other 2% are probably just flicking through the channels


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,461 ✭✭✭popebenny16


    How come whenever I switch on IrelandAM its always wine tasting or beauty stuff? Horrible nasty programme.

    In the evening time TV3 basicly is the ITV francise for the Republic of Ireland. But they have a challenge now with ITV shaggin off they may have to actually think about making some programmes to fill in the gaps.

    I mean, a quizshow. The cheapest easist format there is. How hard coud that be? A proper chatshow, on Friday nights, easy.

    What about something simple like a cookery show? This is your life? A holiday show?

    You know we dont expect them to produce Brideshead Revisited but they could do cheap and cheerful Irish TV.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    I mean, a quizshow. The cheapest easist format there is. How hard coud that be?
    They already tried with The Weakest Link, and got rid of it again.
    A proper chatshow, on Friday nights, easy.
    Dunphy. Courtney. *shudder*

    I see they have what looks like some semi-"My Sweet Sixteenth" thing about Debs girls on sometime this week. First homegrown show I have seen by them outside of the news in a while.

    I think what they really need before ITV sod off is someone from there to sit down and show them how to put a show together. Yes, many of ITVs own efforts are bunk IMO, but they do seem to be able to hold an audience, something TV3 haven't quite mastered. Of course, TV3 could also do with people that they can put in front of the cameras without annoying half the viewing public as well.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    I think The Dunphy Show would have worked if TV3 had given it a chance and put it on a saturday night or perhaps surrounded it with a healthier mixs of shows.

    One of TV3's main problems is that it surrounds it home produced stuff with cheap american/canadian imports, rather then placing them around Coro St and Emmers.

    Another problem is its over use of ITV shows, if it continues they might as well be TV3. If I was ITV I would sell my shows to RTE and Channel 6 and in 5years time buy back a very very poor TV3 :)

    As I said before TV3 with its budget could have supported Eircom League, GAA League and Ladies Football in the same way as TG4 have that would give them a good following for sport. As for other genre's TV3 could have produced a chat show, a quiz show and many other shows instead after 10 years on the air we have

    IRELAND AM
    TV3 NEWS
    SPORTS TONIGHT
    EIRCOM LEAGUE WEEKLY
    THE POLITICAL PARTY
    THE BRENDAN COURTENY SHOW (AXED)
    THE DUNPHY SHOW (AXED)
    THE WEAKEST LINK (AXED)
    THE OVERSEAS PROPERTY SHOW (CANN'T SEE THEM BRING IT BACK)
    THE BOX (CANN'T SEE THEM BRING IT BACK)
    HAUNTED HOUSE (AXED)
    DEBS THINGY (CANN'T SEE THEM BRING IT BACK)
    ADGENDA (CANN'T SEE THEM BRING IT BACK, BUT THEY SHOULD)
    SPEAKEASY (AXED)
    LIVE SPORT (GONE)

    That's basically 1 show a year


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    I agree with you regarding The Dunphy Show. It was never given a chance, and placing it in competition with The Late Late Show was ill-thought out.

    Another show that had potential was that soccer show that ran for a few episodes in the evenings. I found by looking in here, otherwise I'd never have known it was on. And again, axed before a full series was made.

    Another show that had potential was Pop On 3, but I think the title was offputting and misguided, as the presenter (wierd fella whose name escapes me) seemed to be mainly aimed at more indy music less so than "pop" but anyway, it was axed too.

    I'd like to see what they'd do if they lost the rights to Corrie. They'll probably buy the rights to archive Northern Exposure or something instead! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    I think every Irish channel has shown Northern Exposure.

    Sorry forgot the Pepis Chart show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,611 ✭✭✭sioda


    We need TV3 for two reasons The Shield which RTE i dont think would show although never know about TG4 and Law and order SVU.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    Does anyone notice that horrible TV3 voice-pitch change especially amongst their news reporters?

    cuts right through me...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭limerick_man


    I still maintain that the best thing TV3 ever had was The Offside Show, which improved week on week, and ended up with a better audience share at a quarter of the price.... bet they regret that move... Popcorn is also a good show, done well and cheap!

    The Box really didnt need a qurater of the cost, seeing as we didnt actually get to see any reality of the show... could just have been a regular quiz set up... them being in a box added nothing but expense...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    TV3 is sh1t. They should call it the repeat channel. I haven't watched it in about 8 months.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    sioda wrote:
    We need TV3 for two reasons The Shield which RTE i dont think would show although never know about TG4 and Law and order SVU.

    true and they show them at a set time every week. but its only 2 shows though out of a load of crap


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Popcorn is also a good show, done well and cheap!

    Yeah a show that is an advertisment for movies I wouldn't be surprised if it pays for itself :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    I still maintain that the best thing TV3 ever had was The Offside Show, which improved week on week, and ended up with a better audience share at a quarter of the price.... bet they regret that move... Popcorn is also a good show, done well and cheap!

    The Box really didnt need a qurater of the cost, seeing as we didnt actually get to see any reality of the show... could just have been a regular quiz set up... them being in a box added nothing but expense...
    Ah yes, The Offside Show was the show I was thinking of. It had great potential I thought


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭dRNk SAnTA


    Elmo wrote:
    Yeah a show that is an advertisment for movies I wouldn't be surprised if it pays for itself :rolleyes:

    Same situation with The Overseas Property Show. Its a fecking infomercial. What a bloody farce!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭Den_M


    My suggestions:
    1. Stop showing Judge fecking Judy so much!

    2. When they do get an international or European game live, don't put Packie Bonner or any of the pundits anywhere near the camera, they're all awful. Commentators too. Start from scratch. Bill and the boys on RTE are top quality entertainment, they need something at least approaching that standard.

    3. Axe all those awful American reality tv show. Total garbage.

    4. Stop trying to be whatever they're trying to be, the cooler/younger alternative to RTE, it's not working. Get a new angle. Try being genuine.

    5. Get a decent music show back on, I remember one that used to be show years ago. Have reviews, gigs, interviews etc - not rocket science.

    6. Get some more home grown programming going on. Doesn't need to be big budget to be good. The Den entertained the youth/teens of Ireland for years, and was just a few sock puppets and a presenter or two. The cartoons took second place. I'd still watch Zig, Zag and Ray/Ian if they were on today. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 388 ✭✭Milktrolley


    My replies:
    1. Couldn't agree more. A double bill every day FFS - and at 4:30 in the evening! At least RTÉ acknowledge the fact that people are actually watching TV at that time and put something on.

    6. It's such a simple concept, but I'd be so worried that they'd feck it up. Does anyone remember 'Gimme 3' which aired in the afternoons back in 1998/1999? Dear God that was awful. They showed two programmes which no channel in the right mind would ever show - an animated, god-awful Conan the Barbarian was one - and it was all intertwined with the worst script from the two presenters (one of them was Sr. Assumpta from Father Ted I think).

    I recall one day they had a sketch on historical figures and they took pictures from a book. This involved pointing a camera at the 'Times Past' book they use in primary schools. You could even see some of the writing and someone bending the spine to stop the book from closing in on itself. I tuned in once or twice out of curiosity, that was it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    6. It's such a simple concept, but I'd be so worried that they'd feck it up. Does anyone remember 'Gimme 3' which aired in the afternoons back in 1998/1999? Dear God that was awful. They showed two programmes which no channel in the right mind would ever show - an animated, god-awful Conan the Barbarian was one - and it was all intertwined with the worst script from the two presenters (one of them was Sr. Assumpta from Father Ted I think).

    Hector started on Gimme 3, TV3's short lived childrens show. While Clodagh is a younger version of Sr. Assumpta who appeared in RTE's Saturday morning show Pajo's Junk Box.
    1. Stop showing Judge fecking Judy so much!

    Sadly Judge Judy is one TV3's most popular shows averaging 100,000 viewers, Grainne and Joe's biggest competitor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,730 ✭✭✭✭simu


    I've noticed that on Wednesdays, TV3 have Trinny and Susannah from 8-9 while RTE1 has Off the rails from 8:30 to 9 - it would seem TV3 are trying to compete diectly with RTE here for the fashion-following section of the audience but wouldn't it make more sense not to have such direct clashes as that reduces your potential audience? I don't know if they take the same approach for other timeslots but surely it's not just a coincidence?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 602 ✭✭✭mickd


    Listening to an interview on The Last Word with David MacRedmond the new CEO of TV3. Does anybody remember this man? He was the guy sent out by Eircom to justify exorbitant prices and woeful broadband rollout. Cooper questioned the lack of identity of TV3. Redmond glossed over this and maintained that its more of the same. New deal has been signed with ITV and Fox for first run movies. At least we have a remote.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Listening to an interview on The Last Word with David MacRedmond the new CEO of TV3. Does anybody remember this man? He was the guy sent out by Eircom to justify exorbitant prices and woeful broadband rollout. Cooper questioned the lack of identity of TV3. Redmond glossed over this and maintained that its more of the same. New deal has been signed with ITV and Fox for first run movies. At least we have a remote.

    What day was he on?

    here's the press release

    http://www.tv3.ie/media.php?action=news&id=100


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 602 ✭✭✭mickd


    This evening


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 602 ✭✭✭mickd


    The incompetence continues, looking at the tv guide for Saturday Being John Malkovich is on at 23:25 which is the time on would expect this movie to be on. If you go to http://www.tv3.ie/programmes.php?action=movie its on at 4:00 PM it seems that they don't even know what time their own programmes are on at.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    http://www.radioireland.ie/lastword/lastword.html

    The Last Word 5pm hour Friday: 1/12/2006

    The interview is at the very end of the hour.

    12 new movies from fox, not much but I am sure they will get others.

    They will be looking into commission new shows.......

    ..... with the help of the BCI's Sound and Vision Fund......

    .... i.e. TV3 will make Irish prime time shows from the licence fee and earn money from advertisers

    TV3 has no identity, as I have said previously TV3 could have start small and grown rather it lies still and hopes to god a new TV station doesn't come along and buy Coronation Street for the Irish Market.

    I don't see how Coro St and Emmers are world class shows.


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