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What TV3 need to do

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 481 ✭✭SoSueMe


    Jericho starts on TV3 on Wednesday at 9. Will anybody watch it? I don;t think so. Just like every other US TV show they have. They really need a Lost/Desperate Housewives which has done wonders for RTE2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,076 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    What do TV3 need to do?

    Well they could start by sending Colette Fitzpatrick round to my house on a weekly basis.;)

    And maybe drop Mark Cagney off the side of a building.

    Then maybe I'd consider watching.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17 Scarlet89


    Tv3 is crap.They dont know how to run a station.They're the only station I have ever seen actually advertise the fact they are getting a new anchor.RTE would never do that neither would the British channels.It just show's that regardless of how long a station has been there for its still crap!Its the equivalent of The Late Late show overrated and again just plain crap.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 421 ✭✭superdudeman007


    One question : Name 3 TV3 success stories.

    I guess Ireland AM is ok, but if RTÉ start a breakfast show they're finished


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Magic Pips


    Its amazing how many people dont recognise that TV3 is a business! Yea they don't get everything right, but its keeping 150+ Irish people employed.

    I think Ireland AM is great, FOR WHAT ITS AIMED AT!! Not sure many housewives post on boards though, so i dont expect much agreement.

    Corrie & Emmerdale are the high performers, therefore integral to the station.

    Homemade shows can be ten times more expensive than bought in shows, because of the fact that there are only a limited number of viewers available here. The only work around for this would be to make a show that gets exported, and investing enough money for this to (potentially) happen would represent too big a risk.

    Some good points are made in this topic, but some are completely rediculous.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    Ok, nobody expects TV3 (or RTE for that matter) to produce home-grown programming to the standard of the BBC. We know that a certain amount will have to be bought in - understandable. The problem I have is that they are targeting a gap in the market that has already been filled.

    To draw an analogy it would be akin to a small corner shop opening next door to tesco. Small shop buys all their stock from tesco (ITV) and then attempts to compete directly with superquinn (RTE). Given the choice most customers would walk past the little corner shop and into either of the two supermarkets. Now what the little corner shop should do is change its target customer base. Offer different, varied and uncommon produce that supermarkets would reject due to economies of scale.

    Result: Sales may fall initially but overall the business is more likely to suceed in the long-term. This approach is not entirely new in TVland, C4 built their reputation on novel and eclectic programming (before turning more mainstream) - ok it mightn't have been to everybodys taste but do we want homogenous, bland TV appealing only to the mass-audience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,510 ✭✭✭sprinkles


    TV3 need to buy up the rights to a lot of US shows and axet he sh*t they are currently showing.

    If they got, for example,

    Heroes
    Boston Legal (why is this not on terrestrial tv????)
    Battlestar Galactica

    You'd have a wide variety a programming there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    sprinkles wrote:
    Boston Legal
    I'm pretty sure RTE had season one on in the dead of night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 602 ✭✭✭mickd


    Jimoslimos wrote:

    To draw an analogy it would be akin to a small corner shop opening next door to tesco. Small shop buys all their stock from tesco (ITV) and then attempts to compete directly with superquinn (RTE). Given the choice most customers would walk past the little corner shop and into either of the two supermarkets. Now what the little corner shop should do is change its target customer base. Offer different, varied and uncommon produce that supermarkets would reject due to economies of scale.

    More analogy
    M&S BBC. Superquinn TG4, Dunnes RTE, Aldi TV3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭Rollo Tamasi


    sprinkles wrote:
    Battlestar Galactica

    BSG would absolutely clean up on TV3 if they show it twice at week at 10 or even at 11. But i don't think it fits their glossy theme.

    They should ditch their coverage of the Champions League. Users are having to go back and forth between both Tv3 and RTE to view the same competetion. RTE out performs it easily and just makes TV3 look unprofessional.

    If TV3 exclusively showed Uefa Cup footie on the Thursday they would have a niche market. They should try to get the Eircom league too. Can't belive RTE don't show at least 1 live game a week.

    It's a joke.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    If TV3 exclusively showed Uefa Cup footie on the Thursday they would have a niche market. They should try to get the Eircom league too. Can't belive RTE don't show at least 1 live game a week.

    RTE, Setanta and TG4 hold the rights to Eircom League so Eircom League is spread across 3 channels. TV3 did have rights for Eircom League Live game up until they had to pull out with Sky Sports.
    BSG would absolutely clean up on TV3 if they show it twice at week at 10 or even at 11. But i don't think it fits their glossy theme.

    I could be wrong but I have a feeling that Sky own exclusive rights to BSG, I cann't see RTE, TV3 or TG4 showing it unfortunately.

    I also think and I could be wrong that TV3 buy in a set number of shows from Fireworks (A Canwest Company) and avoid bidding for any shows from america that RTE or TG4 get hence TG4 and RTE always seem to get better shows. With the odd exception Arrested Development, Malcome and Everyone hates chris.
    Its amazing how many people dont recognise that TV3 is a business! Yea they don't get everything right, but its keeping 150+ Irish people employed

    It amasing to think that people let TV3 get away with this excuse. It started in 1998 with around the same number of emploees it had about 3% of the audience at that time, they now have nearly 15% of the audience. They could have an operating budget like that of TG4 they could if they wanted have bought Eircom League, Ladies GAA, GAA League, Celtic League etc etc in the same manner as TG4 but what they have done is avoid anything vaguely Irish.

    TV3 are a National Station some small time Digital Channel if they wanted they could produce far more Irish programming and provide far better programming from the states.
    Homemade shows can be ten times more expensive than bought in shows, because of the fact that there are only a limited number of viewers available here. The only work around for this would be to make a show that gets exported, and investing enough money for this to (potentially) happen would represent too big a risk.

    RTE have had major success with Home Produced Programming, Rodge and Podge isn't that expensive a show to make (well it might be now since it has taken off but then what do you expect when something is successful). Even the panel is cheap enoght to make.

    TV3 don't dare aim higher then 15% of the audience they want to make a quick buck and have Corronation St and Emmerdale their to do it for them, even if they didn't have those shows they would only aim for 7% of the audience is that would keep them out of the RED and making a profit. They are just lucky to have Coro St and Emmers.

    You also have to remember that Ireland AM (A home produced show) is the No. 1 breakfast show, showing that Home Produced shows get viewers. IMO it will be hard for RTE to get Ireland AM of the top spot in the morning with a News Show.

    TV3 has plenty of money and should be able to be to the forefront of Independent production in Ireland instead it sits back and enjoys the fruits of ITV's dull programming.

    TV3 earns 50,000,000 euro in advertising revenue the spend 6.8million on their staff. TV3 has plenty and if it wanted could have more.

    I am not suggesting that they over invest in Irish TV but they could at least show 1 hour of home produced show (over 20 weeks) outside the news/sport during prime time, any Irish show would be better then Charmed and the other American Muck they show.

    But then their arguement would be: -

    We're not here to make TV we are here to make a profit.

    COP OUT. COP OUT.

    Eircom League Rights: -

    The key elements of the deal are:

    - Agreement is for 5 years through to end of 2009 season
    Minimum 29 matches to be broadcast during each season.
    - Minimum 24 matches live, with 5 "as live" - RTÉ to screen 8 games live - 5 eircom League and 3 Carlsberg FAI Cup
    - Setanta to screen 10 eircom League games, 5 live and 5 "as live"
    - TG4 to screen 11 games live - 7 eircom League and 4 Carlsberg FAI Cup
    - Record prize fund for eircom League increased by 400%
    - Total of €400,000 now on offer to eircom League clubs

    This compares with the previous deal which had TV3 showing 5 live Eircom League Games and As Live Irish Matches after Sky had the exclusive rights, however political pressure lead to Sky and TV3 pulling out of the contract since Irish Home Matchs should be shown Live on an FTA channel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭qwertplaywert


    god............only time i used to watch tv3 was for about 3 hours at most a month in the case of a good film

    but now jerico is on.......what a show &claps&


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭Bicky


    hm.... thats an insult to ALDI.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    They could always change their name to this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 421 ✭✭superdudeman007


    Elmo wrote:
    You also have to remember that Ireland AM (A home produced show) is the No. 1 breakfast show, showing that Home Produced shows get viewers

    It's a bit unusual for the only breakfast show to be the #1 breakfast show...

    Really - The only reason that Ireland AM can compete with BBC Breakfast, GMTV, Sky News Sunrise and the rest is that it's Irish and all of its content relates to Irish people (and people selling timeshares in Slovenia). If RTÉ launched a Breakfast news show that was slightly more laid back than the main bulletins, they'd beat Ireland AM - How are EuroNews and DenTV meant to beat a breakfast show???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭Morgans


    Its that kind of trumpet blowing from TV3 that disgusts me. Number 1 breakfast show - sponsored by call lines, tarot card readers, Big Six, a contract worth hundreds to the companies....why dont the high flying marketing execs get in on this most popular of programs. 4 repeats of the best of the program each weekend, helps me get through the 'dark hours' until the gang are back at 7am on a Monday.

    I'm not sure if it was in this thread, but the new TV3 DG expressed that it was a commercial channel when interviwed on the last word, but still was commissioning the best quality Irish-based programs. Surprised Cooper didnt ask for examples....the box...i suppose.

    At least Newstalk, and Ireland AM, have seen how RTE do things, and tried to beat them - Gift Grub and Dempsey have the morning sewn up, Dunphy's The Last Word also provided a valid alternative at drivetime.

    Where are TV3 in any way better than RTE? I dont think it is an unreasonable expectation for them to be better in one aspect. The Dunphy Show failed, Weakest Link bombed. Sports tonight started as a decent concept but has descended into a run down of the headlines on the internet throughout the day. Any quiz show, any nature program, any current affairs program...

    I dont really mind them being crap (i try to avoid wathcing anything on the channel) but where are they trying to improve themselves....Its the trumpet blowing that I dont get. Acting as if their news programs arent pitched at the Sun readers, acting as if their news anchorwomen have some sort of special skills outside of being able to follow an autocue (no offence to Collete Fitzpatrick who was the most competent in there for a long time) that their news reporters arent on 20K a year and only wiating to be picked up by someone who vlaues them more, AND that their breakfast program is in any way groundbreaking or even entertaining.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Sorry I was not trying to trumpet TV3. LOL. Can you imagine me trumpeting TV3, NO.

    What I was trying to point out was that TV3 keep saying that Prime Time Irish TV doesn't work because people don't want it, which is why I am pointing out how "popular" Ireland AM is, lets face they could always rebroadcast GMTV with news headlines from TV3 NEWS. :)
    The Dunphy Show failed, Weakest Link bombed.

    The weakest link was bound to fail during prime time, they bought a concept for daytime TV, and we hadn't even changed currancy, but to cut cost TV3 did their version in Euros instead of Punts.

    The Dunphy Show didn't fail, it was up against The Late Late Show, If TV3 had sence they would have put it on a Saturday Night, a night that was void of any Irish Chat show for 4 year, instead they went along with Mr. Dunphy. The dunphy show had 200,000 viewers which is very good for TV3 on a Friday Night against RTE's 500,000 Viewers for the Late Late. Give time Dunphy could have built an audience TV3 where unwilling to wait or to try Dunphy on Saturday nights or even suggest a studio would be a better setting then the Helix.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭DarkJager


    What TV3 need to do is stop fvcking around with the seasons of The Shield. For the last 2 years running they've stopped The Shield mid season to put on the z list celebrity crap "I'm a celebrity" in its timeslot. After that finishes, they show 2 more episodes of it, then it disapears until mid January again. Note to TV3: If you are going to mess around the fans of this show, please release the programme from your schedules and let a broadcaster who can actually run a whole season of it without stopping, take it off you.


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