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eircom to enable another 100 exchanges - Broadband available to 120k more ppl

  • 19-10-2006 11:48am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭


    An additional 100 telephone exchanges in communities across the country will be DSL enabled. The exchanges are located in all 26 counties and this further investment will be completed during 2007.

    Furthermore, eircom is committing to take all broadband orders placed within the five urban centres of Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Waterford and Galway. In total, 120,000 extra telephone lines will now be able to support broadband due to these initiatives.

    To help achieve this target, eircom will commence the rollout of WiMax technology during 2007 to overcome difficulties that arise when providing broadband over some telephone lines. WiMax will be used to supplement existing DSL service in these five major urban centres. The introduction of WiMax will ensure all potential customers will be able to receive broadband. Today’s announcement follows extensive WiMax trials that have been conducted by eircom in locations across Ireland during the past year.

    No proper definition of what an Urban area is yet.

    Plus free football:
    eircom broadband customers will now be able to watch live sporting events including football (Barclay’s Premier League, Scottish Premier League, eircom League and Setanta Sports Cup); golf (US PGA Tour and selected European Tour Events); GAA (National League, All Ireland Championship (delayed), Dublin County Championship) and rugby (The Magners League, Leinster Schools Rugby).

    This exclusive arrangement with Setanta Sports will be free of charge to all existing and new eircom broadband customers and will provide exclusive and live access to Setanta Sports through broadband. In addition, a video on demand (VOD) service will allow seven days access to recent programming on Setanta Sports.

    Finding out more info now on this.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Anywhere that UPC has traction gets Universal BB Access from eircom by wire or failing that by 3.5Ghz wireless. Thats what it says.

    Country people can simply **** off , as usual....and Comreg will not take the 3.5Ghz licence off eircom or fine them for non compliance not that those poodles would dare piss on their masters trouser leg.

    To think that Dempsey has poodled over to meetings and prostituted himself with Pierre Danon and Vint Cerf and codded them that he was serious about Universal BB in Ireland :( . Universal = ALL in every dialect save Hiberno Communications Speak English and this is all that he is offered. Universal BB in the best provisioned areas covering about Half the population who already have a choice of providers anyway .

    This is designed to counter Ripwave and Voda 3G and also head off UPC and is useless where BB is not available at present.

    I suppose that Dempsey will have the gall to effusively "Welcome" this pathetic result for his Ministry of 'Communications' in a press statement today while they all laugh at him :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭damien


    This is designed to counter Ripwave and Voda 3G and also head off UPC and is useless where BB is not available at present.

    Are you saying that these 100 exchanges are already in areas where broadband is available? Can you give us the locations?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    The 100 exchanges are an unnanounced program begun in the Spring , unnanounced because eircom are afraid of the WISPs and announced now becuase Noel is considering his GBS and MAN funding announcement for the election at present .

    In Galway they will include Corrandulla (done ?) Kilcolgan (done? ) Clifden and Headford .

    They have been on a list since about March but eircom are only publishing it now. They have often done this before

    Sometimes they announce stuff in local media but not nationally and then announce it nationally later.

    I bet the list , when announced, will inlcude all or most of those ones above :D In other words this is NOT NEW ! I'll bet my pores on it Damien (but only you can collect , no stampede here please) !


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,201 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    While any improvement in availability is good. Really I'm slightly disappointed.

    I believe that in the urban areas, Eircom should be able to deliver 100% BB via DSL, just like BT can. They should be using the wimax for the rural areas, to deliver BB to people not capable of getting DSL.

    Also does anyone know if Eircom is using ADSL2+ capable cards and modems in new rollouts?

    It would seem silly to continue to rollout ADSL gear when ADSL2+ is just as cheap but would reach further.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭jwt


    I think this is a good opportunity for the Gov to make a bold move to fund the remaining exchanges. A Quid Pro Quo effort.

    Use an open tender process (it will have to be as the amounts exceed EU regs requiring open tender)

    Stipulate that anyone not able to receive BB on Gov funded exchanges gets wireless or Sat at same price as DSL BB

    Lay down careful clauses about maintaining the last mile copper and exchanges.

    Use NI as an example and template.

    Funding issued in blocks as certain targets met (think SB had a complete plan together on which areas to be done first and how fast)

    Assuming that the tender process is transparent and fair, covering above points then IOFFL formally welcomes it and offers support


    John


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    jwt wrote:
    Assuming that the tender process is transparent and fair, covering above points then IOFFL formally welcomes it and offers support

    Absolutely jwt , we are now close to an election and I suspect this plan or a variant of it is being held over till that is announced .

    It was my 2 90's Plan here

    Couple of fiddly things like MINIMUM speeds and SLA need sorting out Nationally as well seeing as its supposed to be a Universal Plan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭damien


    Cavan
    Kilnaleck
    Mullagh
    Killeshandra

    Clare
    Clonlara
    Tiermaclane
    Milltown Abbey

    Cork
    Whitegate
    Castlemartyr
    Leap
    Cloyne
    Balineen
    Ballyclough
    Kildorrery
    Ballygarvan
    Timoleague
    Ballinaclashet
    Kilworth
    Doneraile
    Lombardstown

    Donegal
    Raphoe
    Carrigart
    Convoy
    Mountcharles
    Muff
    Fahan
    Greencastle
    Quigleys Point
    Kilmacrenan
    Killygordon

    Dublin
    Garristown

    Galway
    Turloughmore
    Dunmore
    Rosscahill
    Monivea
    Kinvara

    Kerry
    Lixnau

    Kildare
    Carbury
    Nurney

    Kilkenny
    Kilmacow
    Knocktopher
    Goresbridge
    Mullinavat
    Freshford

    Letterkenny
    Manorcunningham

    Limerick
    Rathkeale
    Patrickswell
    Pallaskenry
    Cratloe
    Cappamore
    Glin

    Laois
    Rathdowney
    Durrow
    Ballylinan

    Longford
    Ballymahon

    Mayo
    Balla
    Kilkelly
    Louisburgh
    Ballindine
    Shrule
    Newport
    Charlestown

    Meath
    Summerhill
    Wilkinstown
    Julianstown
    Nobber
    Balrath

    Monaghan
    Inniskeen

    Offaly
    Rhode
    Kilcormac

    Portlaoise
    Ballybrittas

    Roscommon
    Frenchpark

    Sligo
    Castlegarren
    Cliffony

    Tipperary
    Kilsheelin
    Borrisoleigh
    Dundrum
    Ardfinnan
    Newcastle

    Wicklow
    Roundwood
    Glendalough
    Dunlavin

    Wexford
    Ferns
    Ballynabola
    Camolin
    Killurin
    Fethard
    Castlebridge
    Ballywilliam
    Broadway
    Killinick
    Duncormick

    Westmeath
    Killucan
    Castlepollard
    Tyrrellspass

    Waterford
    Annestown
    Ardmore
    Aglish


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    Marvelous. More availability where it's already available. 4 exchanges per county...great.
    damien.m wrote:
    No proper definition of what an Urban area is yet.
    Damien, they have identified the urban centers they mean in the statement - Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Waterford and Galway.

    I'd say you're right sponge. Most are probably done on the QT already.
    bk wrote:
    Also does anyone know if Eircom is using ADSL2+ capable cards and modems in new rollouts?
    All the resellers have been sending out ADSL2+ capable modems for well over a year and the cards in the exchange just need a firmware upgrade from what I hear.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    I'm wrong so. :eek: These are all new to me .

    So there is about 450 done to early this year . An unnanounced program of about 100 including the examples I gave is being done anyway and this announced program of about 100 .

    That will mean 650 out of 1150/1200 exchanges nationally will be done by eircom themselves leaving some 500 exchanges yet to do . Eircom will , of course, claim that 90% of lines (funny that) are connected to the sum of the already done , being done as in unnanounced and these announced today exchanges

    Hmmmm , and McRedmond stated ( to the oireachtas Committe on Comms in June) that he would do them for €50m which is a round €100,000 each .

    Naturally eircom would not want that GBS funding of €50m to be diverted elsewhere , especially if it would actually do some good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭damien


    kaizersoze wrote:
    Damien, they have identified the urban centers they mean in the statement

    Oh right. I best inform that senior eircom guy who's going off to figure out exactly the coverage areas that he's already drawn up that plan. Silly him. Reread the statement.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    damien.m wrote:
    Reread the statement.
    I've read the statement several times and the only mention of urban areas in it is:
    Furthermore, eircom is committing to take all broadband orders placed within the five urban centres of Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Waterford and Galway......
    .....WiMax will be used to supplement existing DSL service in these five major urban centres.
    :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭uncle_sam_ie


    This is just crazy. WiMax the technology that could easily bring BB to people living in rural areas of Ireland, is instead going to be used to crush the wireless competition in the five major urban centres. And, the Minster and comgreg are just going to stand by as usual and do nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 450 ✭✭SalteeDog


    Does anyone have any details of the flavour of WiMax Ericom will use and who the supplier is?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Country people can simply **** off , as usual
    No proper definition of what an Urban area is yet.

    If it's based on eircom's previous standards, it's within a block or two of the exchange......South Circular Road is well inside Limerick's city boundary by a mile or so (and about 3 miles inside the Limerick + suburbs boundary) and I couldn't get eircom broadband there......Smart had to come to my rescue!

    Which leads me to this question.....of the 100 exchanges being upgraded, do they each have approx 1,200 subscribers all of whom are within the pathetic 5K and who have lines that are good enough to handle the broadband, or are there just 1,200 subscribers at that exchange whereby, as per personal experience of the Dooradoyle and Roches St exchanges, maybe 40-50% (if they're lucky) of those are actually capable of getting broadband ?

    Which is it ? We need to know.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Liam Byrne wrote:
    1,200 subscribers all of whom are within the pathetic 5K and who have lines that are good enough to handle the broadband, or are there just 1,200 subscribers at that exchange whereby

    Its what you think Liam. Each of these exchanges serves a POPULATION of 1.2k persons of whom some are within 5k and of whom again some have an adequate line for BB .

    Dempsey is under a lot of pressure to pull a rabbit from the hat at election time and the big risk is that he will simply grant eircom money to do all exchanges BUT WITH NO SLA OR MINIMUM COVERAGE TARGETS in order that Dempsey and the FF yahoos can go canvassing to houses who get 12k dialup on a pairgain and tell them eircom are coming with Broadband thanks to FF .

    Dempsey is banking on this conjob to save his ministerial career in fact :(

    This SLA is my second of the 2 90's


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,201 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    The more I think about it, the less important the Wimax news is. Digiweb Metro alreay covers most of the areas listed by Eircom here and I'm sure Eircom won't undercut their DSL cost (they'll probably even charge line rental :rolleyes: ) so Digiweb will continue to be far cheaper.

    The only thing that might be interesting is if they can do it non line of sight with decent speeds and reliability (unlike Ripwave and Clearwire).

    Of course it would be much more interesting if they rolled it out to rural areas, but that is unlikely and it looks like Digiweb already covers more rural areas then Eircom will.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    Another interesting bit in the statement:
    These initiatives will complete the commercial and cost effective rollout of broadband in Ireland. However, we look forward to the Government’s upcoming announcement to address the remaining customers without access to broadband."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,191 ✭✭✭uncle_sam_ie


    kaizersoze wrote:
    Another interesting bit in the statement:
    Ya, it will probably be a web link to a satellite provider.:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 178 ✭✭MrShadow


    Sligo
    Castlegarran
    Cliffoney

    Both are areas that are supplied by Fastcom Broadband


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭bealtine


    MrShadow wrote:
    Sligo
    Castlegarran
    Cliffoney

    Both are areas that are supplied by Fastcom Broadband

    Wicklow
    Roundwood
    Glendalough
    Dunlavin

    are more areas covered by a wireless provider

    I smell a monopoly grab based on delivery of services excuse...call me cynical if you want:)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    a load of bollocks

    why arent they upgrading the phone lines of those who keep failing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    The exchanges are located in all 26 counties
    25 actually. Poor Leitrim get nothing:eek: and they only have 4 exchanges enabled at present.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,177 ✭✭✭nilhg


    kaizersoze wrote:
    25 actually. Poor Leitrim get nothing:eek: and they only have 4 exchanges enabled at present.

    We may have more than that, reading the list it seems that Portlaoise and Letterkenny have been elevated to county status.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 213 ✭✭govinda


    MrShadow wrote:
    Sligo
    Castlegarran
    Cliffoney

    Both are areas that are supplied by Fastcom Broadband

    Summerhill, Meath is on the list too and was supposedly uneconomic to upgrade.....Zone Broadband are providing wireless service to users in that area now (GBS), seem to remember something similar about the Ballivor, Meath exchange getting GBS funding and a live wireless service...suddenly, it becomes economically feasible to upgrade these exchanges for DSL ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭smellslikeshoes


    Funny how these exchanges have all of a sudden become financially viable, Probably because they are starting to loose dialup customers to wireless providers and 3g especialy because hspda is comming soon.

    edit- didnt see post above me and pretty much repeated what he had to say.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    counties Wexford and Mayo, both with good wireless provision, did very well in this round of announcements on a per capita basis or so I thought. West and South Sligo with no wireless provision did much worse for example along with Leitrim for the same reason.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 kriderc


    For what its worth, I live in Rathcoffey (3.5miles from Clane, North Kildare) and Eircom cannot provide me with BB. I also cannot get Wireless due to location of house, hence Sat is only option open to me and far too expensive.

    OK, that may sound quiet normal for many on the boards... but just think, I am exactly 20.5 miles from O'Connell Bridge, City Centre, Dublin, Silicon Isle.

    I first used a modem over 15yrs ago albeit 2400baud, but still have to use one in this day & age @ 37k from the house (ISDN is a ripoff).

    Awaiting HSDPA (O2 & Voda) offerings with baited breath!

    GLTA


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭Foxwood


    Sponge Bob wrote:
    Hmmmm , and McRedmond stated ( to the oireachtas Committe on Comms in June) that he would do them for €50m which is a round €100,000 each .

    Naturally eircom would not want that GBS funding of €50m to be diverted elsewhere , especially if it would actually do some good.
    As a matter of interest, how far could Vodafone stretch their coverage for €50m. I know that sort of money is pocket change to a mobile company (Vodafone has over a million customers and an ARPU of over €500, so €50m is barely a months revenue), but what sort of HSDPA infrastructure would €50m buy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭damien


    It might be interesting to see did any non-eircom company contact the DCMNR which such a suggestion... FOI is your friend.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭1huge1


    Foxwood wrote:
    As a matter of interest, how far could Vodafone stretch their coverage for €50m. I know that sort of money is pocket change to a mobile company (Vodafone has over a million customers and an ARPU of over €500, so €50m is barely a months revenue), but what sort of HSDPA infrastructure would €50m buy?
    vodafone has over 2million customers and O2 have in around around 1.8million last time i checked
    yet vodafone have been very bad at deploying it in areas
    while 3 on the other hand have over 80% of the country covered with 3G and yet arent offering it as a internet service
    fools :mad: its the only thing i can get
    no boradband through dsl or wireless
    only 3G from 3


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Blaster99


    Sponge Bob wrote:
    counties Wexford and Mayo, both with good wireless provision, did very well in this round of announcements on a per capita basis or so I thought. West and South Sligo with no wireless provision did much worse for example along with Leitrim for the same reason.

    Presumably the lack of wireless implies lack of demand? eircom isn't a charity.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Foxwood wrote:
    As a matter of interest, how far could Vodafone stretch their coverage for €50m. I know that sort of money is pocket change to a mobile company (Vodafone has over a million customers and an ARPU of over €500, so €50m is barely a months revenue), but what sort of HSDPA infrastructure would €50m buy?

    Back of an envelope here Foxwood.

    A 3G cell and backhaul (a 3G cell is called a Node B ) is say €100k (not counting masts )

    You suggest buying 500 of these. Each provides a signal to about 4km averaged crudely , not as good as 2G.

    Pi x (RxR) would give a 3.14x(4x4) coverage or 50.24 km2 x 500 = 25120 which is 35% of the land area of the state. This assumes a flat earth and no overlaps or obstacles of course. In the wild you could get maybe 15-20% geographic coverage and that were the masts situated in the right locations for 3g not for 2g . I doubt that this coverage will be deployed in a manner optimal for rural users , its more likely that it will be spent on infill coverage off the M1 near Swords but a package could be put together and kept separate from / in addition to planned network buildout.

    About €0.25Bn worth of Node B gear would be required for anything like good/excellent national coverage ...excellent in my book being that you would not have to drive more than 5km with the laptop in the car from anywhere in the state before you were in 3G coverage and with 100% GPRS and voice coverage in every nook and cranny of the state , even on the back of an offshore Island.

    100% 3g coverage would cost a multiple of that €0.25Bn , 3 or 4 times I'll wager .

    / Back of an envelope
    Blaster99 wrote:
    Presumably the lack of wireless implies lack of demand? eircom isn't a charity.

    The lack of competition implies a lack of urgency within eircom . thats what I mean. Had you wireless competition in your area THEN your exchange would be a higher priority .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭Patrickof


    Yep, looks like they're covering wireless sopts alright. Portlaoise Ballybrittas has only recently gone live with Lastmile.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,825 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Blaster99 wrote:
    Presumably the lack of wireless implies lack of demand?
    That's not a valid assumption, no.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Blaster99 wrote:
    Presumably the lack of wireless implies lack of demand? eircom isn't a charity.

    "If you build it, they will come...."

    Some people still perceive broadband as irrelevant because they only view emails or browse bog-standard web pages; if it's gonna cost them €60-odd quid a month, they put up with the fact that they waste at least half an hour a day doing this, between dialling up, waiting for connection, downloading the emails (if there are any) and the 5-6 seconds wasted while waiting for each web page that they view.

    If the price was right (as per Smart's package - €11 per month added to your line rental) people would start to view the time gained and the avoidance of "checking for emails" - if they're there, they arrive - as worthwhile.

    Unfortunately, IMHO, broadband coverage and VOIP is too much of a threat to eircom; until they have "value-added":rolleyes: services, they won't do anything more than they have to, and only when forced to by ComReg :D or by competition.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭Foxwood


    Liam Byrne wrote:
    If the price was right (as per Smart's package - €11 per month added to your line rental) people would start to view the time gained and the avoidance of "checking for emails" - if they're there, they arrive - as worthwhile.
    BT offer 1Mb broadband to every bitstream capable line in the country for "€11 per month added to your line rental". And at that price, there's very little reason why even the occassional user who might spend an hour or to a week on line not to get always on DSL.

    Smart obviously offer a faster package, but their coverage is a lot smaller.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Aren't BT merely a reseller ? Meaning that Smart's faster 7km coverage with -no contention - enables an awful lot more people can get it from each enabled exchange.

    True, the BT non-LLU system allows more exchanges, but in the context of the thread, where eircom are interested in the headline of potential customers rather than people who will actually be able to get it, Smart's setup is far more appealing.

    Like I said, I know this well, having waited for 18 month for Smart to rescue me from the "line of sight is different to how long the eircom cable is" fiasco.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭Foxwood


    Liam Byrne wrote:
    Aren't BT merely a reseller ?
    Yes, which means that every single person whose line passes eircoms Line Test can get basic DSL for only €11 per month added to their line rental
    Meaning that Smart's faster 7km coverage with -no contention - enables an awful lot more people can get it from each enabled exchange
    Hardly - there aren't "an awful lot more people" over 7km away from LLU enabled exchanges that can't get the basic service.

    The LLU exchanges are the biggest and busiest in the country and they are in built up areas where the vast majority of users are within 7km. That's not to say that many of them aren't on crappy copper, but distance is far more of an issue on rurla exchanges that aren't LLU enabled than it is on urban exchanges
    True, the BT non-LLU system allows more exchanges, but in the context of the thread, where eircom are interested in the headline of potential customers rather than people who will actually be able to get it, Smart's setup is far more appealing.

    Like I said, I know this well, having waited for 18 month for Smart to rescue me from the "line of sight is different to how long the eircom cable is" fiasco.
    Smart's offering is very important, and has helped drive things along. But BT's offering is far more likely to be attractive to the non-techie who only checks their e-mail once or twice a week, and who doesn't really care that much about the internet. If BT could sort out their administrative woes, their DSL offering is the "no-pain" way to get broadband. Going from a fiver a month for pay as you go dialup to a tenner a month for broadband is a no brainer. Smart is a much bigger leap for the ordinary user particularly as long as number portability is still an issue.

    I'm not downplaying the value of the Smart offer at all. But BT's offering is better for my elderly parents and most of the "non-techies" that I know than Smarts. For the few that live on LLU exchanges, I definitely tell them to look at Smart or Magnet, but they're in a very small minority.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    I agree with what you say about rural areas - it's completely unfair that rural areas are benig ignored.

    I do, however get really annoyed when ComReg, eircon, and the government talk as if urban areas are covered - they're not.

    Despite being inside Limerick's misplaced city boundary, Smart was the only option available here; since I'm hardly unique, that would put a couple of thousand people in the "an awful lot more people" category, and since Limerick is hardly unique, that figure increases exponentially....

    Chorus are finally upgrading their network and may be worth a look over the coming months, but as it stands Smart is the only option available that's reasonably priced and does what it says on the tin.

    I know I probably seem like a Smart rep at times, but the fact is that if they didn't exist, my company probably wouldn't, as the dial-up speeds and regular lack of connection from Irish Broadband's Ripwave was laughable. It's annoying that Smart are pretty much a monopoly in my locality, but given that their price is reasonable and the offering is vastly superior, that's less of an issue that it would be if eircon's overpriced offering or the limited reseller capacity and speeds were the only offerings.

    If eircon upgraded to ADSL2+, offering the extra coverage, and if they improved their pathetic contention ratio and speeds, offering that improvement to the resellers, that would be a start; true, there would still be a huge issue there in terms of rural-based companies and residents (including a client of mine in Glin, whose MD no longer wants to hear the word "broadband" mentioned, as she's so pissed off with the problem) but with press releases claiming the "completion of broadband rollout", the current situation makes my blood boil!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Eircom's press release doesn't match up with their list that Damien provided. They have left out Digiweb's home county;)

    It's interesting with all that wireless competition that Eircom still have at least 4 exchanges they could enable, 2 of them with no real logistical issues. Is that 120,000 figure the amount of people connected to the exchanges in question or are they honest claims?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭Foxwood


    Is that 120,000 figure the amount of people connected to the exchanges in question or are they honest claims?
    That's depend on how you define "honest"!!!

    Charlie Honest?
    Bertie Honest?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭jimmeh


    when or where does this deal with setanta sports kick in?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭jongore


    Are there any dates for when these exchanges will be made available?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭Mr_Man


    of the lack of joined up thinking of this government, and the DCMNR, to pay Eircom to try and put the WISP's who have supported the GBS out of business. In my own area Eircom only upgraded the exchanges when the GBS came in, and they are playing catch up in Roundwood and Glendalough.

    The sooner the country gets a minister who can see beyond the end of their nose the better.

    M.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭knipex


    I got a call from BT 2 nights ago asking me would I be interested in changing my phone provider during the call I was told that my local exchange would be enabled in the next 3 to 4 weeks and that if I wanted to wait untill then that would be cool.

    After I hung up I called Eircom (I used to use BT before I moved to this house and the thaught of having to deal with their customer service again makes me physically ill. Plus they still owe me a refund for the 4 months they continued to debit my account after I moved) but Eircom just told me that my exchange was not enabled and could answer no more. I was put through from sales to customer service to tech support to sales to tech support to customer service before I just gave up.

    Is there any way i can find out if the exchage is actually being enabled or were BT just blowing smoke ????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭thegills


    Is that 120,000 figure the amount of people connected to the exchanges in question or are they honest claims?
    Of the exchanges left to be unbundled there wouldn't be more than 4 thousand lines per exchange on average which equates to 40,000 houses or 120,000 people.
    thegills


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    so, after all the years we're finally getting 1 to 2 MB broadband, sometime in 2007, hopefully. we're not in any position to complain though, we're so desperate.according to our spin crazy goverment, we're apparently doing so well that we're the envy of the world.in reality, we're a laughing stock.2 years ago, a friend of mine in Finland told me that their basic 2 MB was being upgraded to 4 MB as standard, with a choice of 8 MB.
    I read where 52 MB broadand is available in Japan and S Korea, for approx 15 US dollars per month,:confused:
    Bertie's Celtic Snail more like it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 204 ✭✭serotonin_sam


    I was put through from sales to customer service to tech support to sales to tech support to customer service before I just gave up.
    Time spent dealing with BT customer support is just first level training for progression to a whole new level of filth ie. €ircon 'customer support'. lol
    The above is just standard €ircon practice - they do that all day long - day in, day out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,517 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    More than likely asking the people in sales or tech support about it is going to be a dead end - anyone who has ever worked in a call centre knows that those answering the phone are the last to know anything....

    If you know an engineer or someone high up in marketing through the grapevine then these are the most likely to be able to answer imho .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭knipex


    I tried that route before I bought the house and was told that they expected to "upgrade the exchange in the next few months". That was 2 years ago and I am still waiting. The sad part is that it was the decideing factor in buying the house. If they had told me that they were not enabling the exchange I just would not have bought the house.


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