Fourteen Year Old Dragged Out of Class By Secret Service

jimmycrackcorm · 19-10-2006 03:01AM

Endurance Man wrote:

Kill bush, come get me bitches, haha .

I'd rather see bush instead!

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ · 19-10-2006 07:52AM

daveirl wrote:

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doubt that.

oh that right we have sherkin island.... hundreds of British still held with out charge.

daveirl · 19-10-2006 09:28AM

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Kintarō Hattori · 19-10-2006 09:47AM

daveirl wrote:

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Well Ireland doesn't have the same influence or 'importance' on the world stage which is why things like this are worrying.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ · 19-10-2006 09:58AM

daveirl wrote:

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when did the Irish government have interment...

free speech in the US... i think you know as well as the rest of the world that their is no free speech in the USA.
how long would you last without being arrested if you spoke out in support of the thousands of muslims killed by America troops... not very long. and you know that.

bluto63 · 19-10-2006 10:11AM

A bit much IMO. Is it not diminishing her right to free speech? I know they say it was a threat, but I don't see how it could be.

humanji · 19-10-2006 10:43AM

bluto63 wrote:

A bit much IMO. Is it not diminishing her right to free speech? I know they say it was a threat, but I don't see how it could be.

Well I think the point is that in the states it's against the law to threaten the life of the president. Everytime someone makes a threat, the secret service have to investigate. I'd say what really happened was the girl was asked by the agents to leave the class, they asked her a couple of questions and then went on their way. It's just blown out or proportion.

Eoin · 19-10-2006 10:54AM

humanji wrote:

Well I think the point is that in the states it's against the law to threaten the life of the president. Everytime someone makes a threat, the secret service have to investigate. I'd say what really happened was the girl was asked by the agents to leave the class, they asked her a couple of questions and then went on their way. It's just blown out or proportion.

I think even that link in the first post says that's pretty much what happened; it's a complete non-story. She may only be a 14 year old, but she's a 14 year old in a country plagued with the likes of school shootings etc, so of course they have to check these things out.

humanji · 19-10-2006 11:05AM

Actually the sad part is, if she had made threats against her class or teachers, it'd have been ignored until she carried out her threats.

r3nu4l · 19-10-2006 11:41AM

daveirl wrote:

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I beg to differ. In the world press freedom rankings Ireland is ranked 1 at number four and the US is ranked at 44!

Okay, I don't have a link for this one, it could be BBC but the first article I read on this story said that the secret service had told the child's mother they would be calling to the school and that she had said it was okay to do so.

I personally think that President Bush is a danger to the world but also that any 14 year old who posts something stating that the President should be killed is a prime target for recruitment and grooming for anti-establishment or 'terrorist' activities.

They are impressionable and easily moulded into figures of hate. Therefore they become targets for people who want to use them to their own end (in this case terrorists).

As a result I think that the Secret Service were right to give the little sh*t a scare. I hate saying this but it could be the best thing that ever happened the kid despite the way in which it was done.

Dragan · 19-10-2006 11:46AM

At the end of the day it's nothing but a little bit of international "street theater" and that’s about it.

Some kid gets her cage rattled and will now be totally anit war, not really a bad thing. However she may turn into a soft, mellow hippy who does not believe in any kind of physical confrontation which would be a bad thing. Remember, for each person who hates violence there are 10 who are more than happy to punch your teeth out and take whats yours. Just the way it is.

Now then, as it is, the Secret Service have very, very publically dealth with a very small threat in a very big manner. It was even done in a way that gave maximum exposure to the fact that it had occurred. As such, the message is sent. "We look into everything, if we have time to do this, then we have time to find you."

I think that’s pretty plain to see?

bluto63 · 19-10-2006 11:55AM

humanji wrote:

Actually the sad part is, if she had made threats against her class or teachers, it'd have been ignored until she carried out her threats.

Also this is more likely to happen. She could easily kill some pupils in a school, but to get to the president? Now that's a challenge

cushtac · 19-10-2006 12:09PM

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

when did the Irish government have interment....

During the Civil War, during the Emergency and during the IRA border campaign of the late fifties & early sixties.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

free speech in the US... i think you know as well as the rest of the world that their is no free speech in the USA.
how long would you last without being arrested if you spoke out in support of the thousands of muslims killed by America troops... not very long. and you know that.

If that's the case, how come there's a very vocal anti-war movement in the US? Surely they'd all be locked up & silenced if you were correct.

Kintarō Hattori · 19-10-2006 01:24PM

What the hell is wrong with some of you people? This is a 14 year old KID. She posted something on a webpage without thinking of it in an adult context, she was flippant with her remarks as most kids are prone to do. She is not an adult, so please don't expect her to take it in that context.
She posted something on a webpage and the secret service storm in. I don't see how she would pose a threat to the most powerful man in the world. Some opinions here have been extreme at the least.

Some others are correct in that it is a non-story, but it's alarming to think that you can't be flippant or slightly careless with what you say, in this instance on a website that is primarily used by teenagers, and which is hardly known as a hotbed of terrorist activity or intellectual activity.

We really have become extreme in our own opinions and cold in our view of others.

r3nu4l · 19-10-2006 01:37PM

eo980 wrote:

What the hell is wrong with some of you people? This is a 14 year old KID. She posted something on a webpage without thinking of it in an adult context, she was flippant with her remarks as most kids are prone to do. She is not an adult, so please don't expect her to take it in that context.
She posted something on a webpage and the secret service storm in. I don't see how she would pose a threat to the most powerful man in the world. Some opinions here have been extreme at the least.

Some others are correct in that it is a non-story, but it's alarming to think that you can't be flippant or slightly careless with what you say, in this instance on a website that is primarily used by teenagers, and which is hardly known as a hotbed of terrorist activity or intellectual activity.

We really have become extreme in our own opinions and cold in our view of others.

^ :rolleyes:
The killers of Jamie Bolger were 10 when they murdered him, a 15 year old who was 14 when he murdered an 11 year old was sentanced to life in Britain the other day.

If you think that terrorists don't log into chatrooms to recruit kids then you probably don't believe that pedophiles do it either.

Also, don't tell me that you think that a 14 year old endorsing a message of hate is all sweet and innocent!! If her message was something like "White power - kill the n******" then you would probably be among the first to jump on the condemnation bandwagon.

Kintarō Hattori · 19-10-2006 01:54PM

r3nu4l wrote:

^ :rolleyes:
The killers of Jamie Bolger were 10 when they murdered him, a 15 year old who was 14 when he murdered an 11 year old was sentanced to life in Britain the other day.

If you think that terrorists don't log into chatrooms to recruit kids then you probably don't believe that pedophiles do it either.

Also, don't tell me that you think that a 14 year old endorsing a message of hate is all sweet and innocent!! If her message was something like "White power - kill the n******" then you would probably be among the first to jump on the condemnation bandwagon.

Did I mention extreme?

Please don't assume that you know what I would or would not do.

r3nu4l · 19-10-2006 01:56PM

eo980 wrote:

Did I mention extreme?

Please don't assume that you know what I would or would not do.

It's life, extreme things happen, that's why many 'terrorists' are referred to as 'extremists'

Please don't tell me what to assume and what not to assume, you are not the thought police:p

Dragan · 19-10-2006 02:15PM

eo980 wrote:

What the hell is wrong with some of you people? This is a 14 year old KID.

Indeed, have you seen the Jesus Camp clip that was posted on our mirror forum?

The one that shows all the 11 and 12 year olds talking about how they would "die for Christ?". You'd be amazed what you can make a kid believe, and what some people will justify to themselves.

Now then, it's easy to think "sure, it's a website for a 14 year old kid" but it's also important to remember that the website used requires no proof of age, so while the profile might say "14 year old girl" it could also really be a 24 year old man putting up stuff to see who responds and how, and then hit them up with some further information etc.

The simple fact is that from the Secret Service point of view, everything gets looked into, because nothing is as it seems. I imagine that a few years ago everyone getting on to planes looked the same, and people felt completely safe on London buses.

Everything starts somewhere, and whether it was dealt with the right way, or the wrong way at least is was dealt with.

Don;t get me wrong, Bush is a moron, but this particular internet user will be much happier when he is replaced by someone voted in in light of his mistakes, as opposed to replaced by someone sworn in with a grudge in light of his assination.

Just me though.

Fourteen Year Old Dragged Out of Class By Secret Service

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