herbal smoking mixtures.....

thebaz · 29-09-2006 03:16PM

i'd be a bit wary of these legal herbal mixes -- never liked those artificial skunks either -- having travelled most of the world -- surprisingly some of the nicest weed i smoked was good old plain Irish home grown -- oh and theres some nice Nepalese black -- which is impossible to get in these parts .

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 29-09-2006 03:23PM

surprisingly some of the nicest weed i smoked was good old plain Irish home grown

that is incredibly surprising. in fact, I'd almost go so far as to say that my level of surprise here is so great that it almost borders on disbelief.

thebaz · 29-09-2006 03:30PM

Mordeth wrote:

that is incredibly surprising. in fact, I'd almost go so far as to say that my level of surprise here is so great that it almost borders on disbelief.

I spent my late teen years as a complete stoner - sampled it all -- i found Irish weed really pleasant , unlike skunk and some sensemelia , which made me paranoid as well as stoned -- obviously not all Irish weed is good, but if you get a good batch , youd be surprised !!!

JC 2K3 · 29-09-2006 03:47PM

WhizzGDK wrote:

I tried the salvia last night avaialbe at the hemp shop on capel street. utter useless. only a pinch was the recomended does, so i tried a pinch and nothing, eventually i smoked the whole packet, still nothing, ill be in on saturday to complain.

Did you hold a lungful in for at least 30 seconds? Did you even use a bong?

It's a pity people working in headshops never seem to have a clue...

Tar.Aldarion · 29-09-2006 03:52PM

Indeed, there is no way you couild get nothing off it, it only takes a small amount and you are off having a great time in your mind.

All it takes is one inhalation and you hold your breath for as long as you can.
You feel absolutely normal until you breathe out and bam, it hits you.

monkey tennis · 29-09-2006 03:55PM

Naked Lepper wrote:

surprised the harsh mods on this forum havent closed this yet

Why would they close it if it doesn't break any rules?

Sorry, you'll have to go fight the power somewhere else.

CiaranC · 29-09-2006 03:58PM

Its a bit irresponsible telling people they'll have a great time doing pschyoactive drugs live saliva. Ive spoken to several people who found it alarming and distressing.

surprisingly some of the nicest weed i smoked was good old plain Irish home grown

Whats 'Irish Weed'? Why would cannabis grown under proper conditions with the right skills be any different to weed grown elsewhere?

JC 2K3 · 29-09-2006 04:01PM

CiaranC wrote:

Its a bit irresponsible telling people they'll have a great time doing pschyoactive drugs live saliva. Ive spoken to several people who found it alarming and distressing.

True, not enough people stress small dosage and caution when recommending drugs to others.

thebaz · 29-09-2006 04:08PM

CiaranC wrote:

Whats 'Irish Weed'? Why would cannabis grown under proper conditions with the right skills be any different to weed grown elsewhere?

You need alot of sunshine to grow good cannabis , so unlike Jamaica , thats in short supply here -- maybe cause it was fresh , was why i found it enjoyable.
I think some of the artificial skunks , are grown in glasshouse in Holland , and as stated found this high unnatural and not very pleasant , but i guess you could grow skunk here -- and it would be the same as skunk grown anywhere .

CiaranC · 29-09-2006 04:25PM

JC 2K3 wrote:

True, not enough people stress small dosage and caution when recommending drugs to others.

I dunno if people should be recommended drugs to others on a public forum full stop.

thebaz wrote:

You need alot of sunshine to grow good cannabis

Wow. Ive never heard anything to suggest that natural light and soil makes cannabis any better than stuff grown under halogen or with hydroponics.

JC 2K3 · 29-09-2006 04:46PM

CiaranC wrote:

I dunno if people should be recommended drugs to others on a public forum full stop.

Why not?

There should be a proper forum for it with strict moderation by people who know about drugs, however.

JC 2K3 · 29-09-2006 04:48PM

CiaranC wrote:

I dunno if people should be recommended drugs to others on a public forum full stop.

Why not? If it's done sensibly of course.

There should be a proper forum for it with strict moderation by people who know about drugs, however.

Ruu_Old · 29-09-2006 04:50PM

JC 2K3 wrote:

Why not?

There should be a proper forum for it with strict moderation by people who know about drugs, however.

It has been discussed before in great depth (I think even a great deal of mods and admins it might be a good idea, but not sure), I'll try and dig up the thread about it.

JC 2K3 · 29-09-2006 05:12PM

I know, I just bumped a thread on it actually. Unfortunately that thread contained little proper discussion or admin input.

I presume there's other thread on it, however...

slipss · 29-09-2006 06:21PM

CiaranC wrote:

I dunno if people should be recommended drugs to others on a public forum full stop.

Wow. Ive never heard anything to suggest that natural light and soil makes cannabis any better than stuff grown under halogen or with hydroponics.

Yeah Ciaran's spot on on both counts there in my opinion. The reason I don't thhink people should be recomending legal drugs on a public forum probably differs to his though, i don't like the idea because it's media attention that will get mad oul ones that don't really know what they are talking about ringing up joe duffy and trying to get the stuff banned. Look what happened with magic mushrooms (although england changing their law was a big cause of that aswell) and I gaurantee you within two years Salvia will be next, I'm already reading reports in the Indo and the like saying Salvia has replaced magic mushrooms on shelves and is 1000 times more potent than LSD and other ridiculas completely unfounded rubbish. If you enjoy Salvia or plan on doing it in the future my advice would be to stock up now, it lasts extremely well so you don't have to worry about it losing potency over time, I had some sitting in a drwer in my bedroom, not in a container or plastic bag or anything for 13 months and it was just as potent as the day I bought it.

As for their being no difference between weed grown hear and say in Jamaica, he's right again their is no difference if it's grown properly here from the same strain of seeds. It's very easy and pretty cheap to artificially re-create the optimum coditions for growing any strain of cannabis. Even when just left to grow on a window sill during an Irish summer as long as the same strain of seeds are used the only real difference will be in how fast the plant grows and how much weed it produces, quality only varries a little.

RE*AC*TOR · 29-09-2006 06:31PM

I've heard from a reliable source that the Spice Smoking Mixture is Ridiculous to a ridiculous degree.

slipss · 29-09-2006 06:34PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by WhizzGDK
I tried the salvia last night avaialbe at the hemp shop on capel street. utter useless. only a pinch was the recomended does, so i tried a pinch and nothing, eventually i smoked the whole packet, still nothing, ill be in on saturday to complain.

JC 2K3 wrote:

Did you hold a lungful in for at least 30 seconds? Did you even use a bong?

It's a pity people working in headshops never seem to have a clue...

Yeah like JC says you have to use a bong or pipe you have to hold it in for as long as you possibly can, you need to keep the flame (its best to use a windproof lighter) held to the slavia the whole time you are inhaling because it takes a very high temperature to get the stuff to vaporise (as aposed to just burning). It's imposible to tell someone what salvia is like because it's completely unique and unlike anything else you will ever experience it's like trying to describe the colour green to someone that was born blind, but this add for coca-cola comes the closest to anything I've seen to resembling it, it actually gives me ashiver down my spine when I watch this add because the first 10 seconds of the clip in particular capture the sensation so well, really freaks me out actually http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKGw_KYH63k

As far as people in head shops not having a clue, they are usually reluctant to tell people how they use the things they sell because to avoid legal difficulties concerning selling products for human consumption they have to sell thier produce under a guise i.e. they sell Salvia as incense and san pedro just for growing but not for eating.

cluborange86 · 29-09-2006 06:34PM

so whats the story with spice? what kind of high is it? weed like or is it salvia like?

slipss · 29-09-2006 06:42PM

It's sort of weed like, theres a whole mess of ingredients in it but it's the Lions Tale that gives it the weed like high and then the rest complement it, I've never tried it but I've tried most of the ingredients seperatley and they all have there value but if your looking for the exact same buzz you get from weed than you have to smoke weed, but Lions Tale is definately the closest thing out there.

cluborange86 · 29-09-2006 06:49PM

ok i just dont wanna try it and go on a trip cause ive heard bad experiences from friends

Daelus · 29-09-2006 07:01PM

I've tried spice and it does absolutely nothing for me.

What I find really irritating, though, is people talking about salvia as if they're just looking to get a cheap buzz off it. It's a very powerful psychoactive, and the amount of people I've seen saying "I'm out of weed, so I'm going to smoke some salvia tonight" is unreal. The two aren't even comparable.

psilocybe · 29-09-2006 07:05PM

What I find really irritating, though, is people talking about salvia as if they're just looking to get a cheap buzz off it. It's a very powerful psychoactive, and the amount of people I've seen saying "I'm out of weed, so I'm going to smoke some salvia tonight" is unreal. The two aren't even comparable.

They would do it once, and afterwards tell all their mates not to it no doubt.
Salvia is not even recreational, I know of several people who are very experienced with high dose LSD, mushrooms and some other more obscure compounds who, after one experience, wouldn't touch salvia with a barge-pole.

Wez · 29-09-2006 07:10PM

I tried 20x salvia from a pipe, got nothing off it, so threw in some nice weed and got pretty high..

The other day me and a mate went into Cannabis and got some 5x, we smoked that from a little bong we got for a fiver and I got a real good trip off it. I hit about 5 smallish bowls, and was having a real good time, but my mate went all paro..

I was sposed to get some green tonight, but it fell through until Sunday, so I'm gonna grab some salvia tomorrow, although now I'm thinking of trying that spice gold stuff. I'll prolly split it so if I don't get anything off it, I don't have a huge bag of it.

Apparently loads of those herbal things are to try get people off the illegal ones, so they can at least monitor what's going into them. They seem to be really taking off since that drought of 06 kicked in.

cluborange86 · 29-09-2006 07:11PM

Daelus wrote:

I've tried spice and it does absolutely nothing for me.

What I find really irritating, though, is people talking about salvia as if they're just looking to get a cheap buzz off it. It's a very powerful psychoactive, and the amount of people I've seen saying "I'm out of weed, so I'm going to smoke some salvia tonight" is unreal. The two aren't even comparable.

did you smoke spice gold? i think its stronger that the regular spice you can get.

Daelus · 29-09-2006 08:11PM

cluborange86 wrote:

did you smoke spice gold? i think its stronger that the regular spice you can get.

Really? Well the one I tried was just the regular one, yeah. I'll look into it further.

Kastro · 30-09-2006 02:03AM

slipss wrote:

this add for coca-cola comes the closest to anything I've seen to resembling it, it actually gives me ashiver down my spine when I watch this add because the first 10 seconds of the clip in particular capture the sensation so well, really freaks me out actually http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKGw_KYH63k

As far as people in head shops not having a clue, they are usually reluctant to tell people how they use the things they sell because to avoid legal difficulties concerning selling products for human consumption they have to sell thier produce under a guise i.e. they sell Salvia as incense and san pedro just for growing but not for eating.

my god.... i just had horrible flashbacks of stop motion... seeing things frame by frame....

cluborange86 · 06-10-2006 03:56PM

just to report back, i got spice gold and i must say i was impressed. i got a small 400mg bag for €8.50 which isnt a lot and its only enough for one or maybe two people. but i must say i did get a nice effect off it

Tha Gopher · 21-12-2006 04:45PM

Tusky wrote:

A couple of my friends recently tried the herbal cocaine & 'energy pills' (legal ecstasy). Both would have ALOT of experience with the real versions and simply got them out of curiosity. When they told me what they had bought I laughed in their faces, I felt they had been ripped off and should have known better. (They both have been taking pills for at least 5 or 6 years).

I was completely wrong, the 'energy pills' were stronger than your average pill and lasted for hours. EXACTLY the same feeling but with no jaw. Im amazed at how they are legal. Surely they dont have any mdma in them... how how how are they legal ? how are they not more popular ?

Surely they must be just as nasty for your head as regular pills if they have the same effect ?

The BZP pills are fcuking lethal, stay clear kids. Theyre sort of like e at their height, except a bit of a heavier head and a less clear high. Obviously the high isnt quite as good, but its quite nice. The build up is pretty cool, like being very stoned. The comedown is a trip to hell- inabillity to urinate, severe paranoia, near loss of muscle and body movement, hallucinating, chronic fear, flushes of hot and cold, me and my friend quite honestly thought at one point one of us would die (he thought the effects would kill him, I was more worried by his increasingly erratic, paranoid behaviour that he would kill me before the drugs would, however i was simply too fcuked to leave his house). This stuff is more dangerous than any illegal drug I ever experienced (once had a bad speed ep, that was nothing compared to this). The people in these hemp shops selling this stuff, often to underagers juding by the crowd in the night we bought, are scumbags. The guy described it as a "club drug", if you took this in a club you would be guided out by the bouncer at 1:30 barely able to walk and be barred for life.

As for Spice, havent tried Spice Gold, tried normal Spice lately and it was crap. Makes soap seem like Cali Chronic in comparison. As for "did you smoke it properly" I hold my breath 15-30 secs no matter what im smoking. Still no effect worth talking about.

ScumLord · 21-12-2006 05:09PM

Where is everyone going with these discriptions of BZP and Salvia I thought they where both ****e! BZP is a bit like speed but not quite there, I took the two of them I was awake for two days but not buzzin'. I don't like Salvia, I don't like the taste and the high is just weird it felt like I could feel every beed of sweat coming out through each pour but no real halucinations.

JC 2K3 · 21-12-2006 06:04PM

ScumLord wrote:

Where is everyone going with these discriptions of BZP and Salvia I thought they where both ****e! BZP is a bit like speed but not quite there, I took the two of them I was awake for two days but not buzzin'. I don't like Salvia, I don't like the taste and the high is just weird it felt like I could feel every beed of sweat coming out through each pour but no real halucinations.

Ya prob didn't do salvia properly or just didn't get anything since it was your first time(happened to me).

And yeah, BZP is ****e.

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