Gardai right wrong? OMG another thread

KdjaCL · 15-09-2006 11:29PM #1

Tonight i seen something at a Pats game that escalated into a near full on people vs the gardai riot in Inchicore.

From what i seen this is what happened a group of Pats fans in the shed were chanting etc all locked on possibly Dutch Gold guessing that as they were about 12 to 16 with a few older fans who had whiskey in bottles of coke.

Anyway one guy (about 17 5,11) takes offence to something a kid (about 13 4,00) says and smacks him with a bottle. Everyone runs (someone said he whipped out a knife i didnt see this so no cooment) the gardai being right there rush in and grab the big guy forcing him against the railings obviously his mates about 100 crowd around having watched him just smack a kid. So big guy feels hard and smacks one of the coppers (really bad move) they whip out batons and start whacking him (proper order little **** deserved it) and his mates and a few older people who didnt see the bottle incident feel hard done by. So some kids rush in at garda and they start smacking (proper order again ***** deserved it )

I am no more than 40 feet away from this **** and as the big guy is led away in cuffs (again **** deserved it) all the other little **** are trying to start more **** and rushing towards maybe 4 gardai , 4 more came and riot police called outside and waiting.

Some kid gets a smack of a baton in the ensuing melee more than likley accidental and his mammy is called Cha Ching sounds in the distance, what i wondered was why was the little kid in the gardas face? Why was he there most young kids legged it when this kicked off, but him and his hard mates tried to stand up to the gardai for getting rid of a near 6 foot guy who smacked a ****ing kid.

Hard to explain but the gardai were trying to arrest a scumbag and 100 other idiots tried to stop it, did they all deserve a baton as in effect they were condoning the initial incident and just trying to be hard by standing up to gardai?

The amount of wrong reports i heard like "OMG gardai battering people for no reason " there was a ****ing reason they deserved it was unreal.

Alll the while Shels were raping us and these ***** cba watching as they were the for one reason and it wasnt the match.

kdjac

Dave! · 15-09-2006 11:36PM

Scum are scum are scum! Disgraceful sh*t, hitting a Guard, and they deserved a beating. Baton charge the lot of them.

No doubt a load of the Gardaí will end up defending themselves in court over this....

EOA_Mushy · 15-09-2006 11:37PM

The original kid knew what was coming to him. The older scumbag, and i say this for any one -> if hit, hit back.

Strongest survive.

In scumbag land, who cares who survives. A loss among them is a joy for the rest of us.

DaveMcG wrote:

Scum are scum are scum! Disgraceful sh*t, hitting a Guard, and they deserved a beating. Baton charge the lot of them.

As for this rubbish. What if it was you?

My point is that the only people who had no right to raise a hand were the garda.

muletide · 15-09-2006 11:40PM

fair f u c k s to the guards they deserve every penny they earn and more.

Placebo · 15-09-2006 11:40PM

i wanna see video surveillance of the gardai smacking the kid ! il pay

Ruu_Old · 15-09-2006 11:41PM

DaveMcG wrote:

Scum are scum are scum! Disgraceful sh*t, hitting a Guard, and they deserved a beating. Baton charge the lot of them.

No doubt a load of the Gardaí will end up defending themselves in court over this....

Probably so 'excessive force' or some rubbish like that. Fair play to the Gardai.

Dave! · 15-09-2006 11:45PM

EOA_Mushy wrote:

As for this rubbish. What if it was you?

My point is that the only people who had no right to raise a hand were the garda.

I wouldn't have smacked someone with a bottle. If I did, then I'd expect to be arrested.

The Gardaí are being raped by bleeding hearts like you (appear to be)! The Gardaí are the only ones who should have the right to raise a hand.

If you hit a Garda, you deserve a beating.

No more softly softly. I'm fed up with these scumbags getting away with 11, 12, 13 arrests. Crack some skulls.

KdjaCL · 15-09-2006 11:47PM

DaveMcG wrote:

No doubt a load of the Gardaí will end up defending themselves in court over this....

So true, shocking to see grown men actually defending the kids , they got what they deserved simple as that.

Have to wonder why people feel no matter what the gardai are wrong.

kdjac

smemon · 15-09-2006 11:57PM

the lot should be banned for life at any Irish football match. idiots. it's a pity the gardai don't have guns, as if they'd whip out shotgun, you'd soon see the crowds clear.

battons aren't as nasty, it's just like a stick and a crowd of 3 or 4 could easily take out 1 man with a stick. However, nobody would risk going near a man with a loaded gun.

Endymion · 15-09-2006 11:58PM

EOA_Mushy wrote:

My point is that the only people who had no right to raise a hand were the garda.

Are you sure about that, So one scumbag has the right to attack another wannabe scumbag? But the gards are ment to excert no force when arresting someone, or defending themselves?

Reality check please.

Cianos · 16-09-2006 10:59AM

smemon wrote:

the lot should be banned for life at any Irish football match. idiots. it's a pity the gardai don't have guns, as if they'd whip out shotgun, you'd soon see the crowds clear.

battons aren't as nasty, it's just like a stick and a crowd of 3 or 4 could easily take out 1 man with a stick. However, nobody would risk going near a man with a loaded gun.

ffs its only a brawl at a football match. There's no need for anyone to get shot whatsoever.

Dooom · 16-09-2006 11:00AM

Baton charges ftw.

Mossy Monk · 16-09-2006 11:27AM

not often i say it but well done to the Gardaí

monkey tennis · 16-09-2006 11:40AM

smemon wrote:

it's a pity the gardai don't have guns, as if they'd whip out shotgun, you'd soon see the crowds clear.

Police are told not to draw a gun unless they plan to use it, and with good reason. Pulling a shotgun on a crowd of teenagers would probably get them in more trouble than a couple of smacks with a baton.

Dave! · 16-09-2006 12:34PM

Plus, if the crowd jump on the Garda's back and he loses the gun, then what?

Sam Vimes · 16-09-2006 01:00PM

EOA_Mushy wrote:

My point is that the only people who had no right to raise a hand were the garda.

emmmm.....someone hit the garda. if they can't hit back then they're just guys in funny blue uniforms

DaveMcG wrote:

I wouldn't have smacked someone with a bottle. If I did, then I'd expect to be arrested.

The Gardaí are being raped by bleeding hearts like you (appear to be)! The Gardaí are the only ones who should have the right to raise a hand.

If you hit a Garda, you deserve a beating.

No more softly softly. I'm fed up with these scumbags getting away with 11, 12, 13 arrests. Crack some skulls.

exactly. i think they should make an "irretrievable scumbag" law. on somebody's 20th arrest for petty scumbaggery (i chose 20 arbitrarily), they should be sent to a secure home. not quite a prison, but they should be kept away from society* until they can prove that they will stop being a leech on good people and tax payers money. for most of them, this will be the rest of their lives because they're "irretrievable scumbags".

the semi-decent ones will eventually be let go and the garda punchers among them will never get a chance to do it again. everybody's happy

* the only contact they should have with society is the work they're made do to make it up to people for being a scumbag for years

Dooom · 16-09-2006 01:51PM

A bit OT, but does that 3-Strike system they have in the US work over here?
Never heard of it here so I'm assuming it doesn't. Could be a decent thing to introduce though. Assuming the prison issues are worked out first of course.

kwalsh000 · 16-09-2006 02:02PM

The simple fact is the place is full of scumbags and in court its the garda that have to defend themselves, not the scumbags. The country is backwards, its a legal minefield for the garda in regards to loosing a job if they do something wrong, but for scumbags they just spend a nite in the cells. Fair play to the garda at that game, someone hit a kid with a bottle, and the garda went to help the kid, and anyone who says they are in the wrong should consider if it was them in place of the child or one of their children that was hit, if the garda did nothing you would still moan

Duckjob · 16-09-2006 02:11PM

Commander Vimes wrote:

exactly. i think they should make an "irretrievable scumbag" law. on somebody's 20th arrest for petty scumbaggery (i chose 20 arbitrarily), they should be sent to a secure home. not quite a prison, but they should be kept away from society* until they can prove that they will stop being a leech on good people and tax payers money. for most of them, this will be the rest of their lives because they're "irretrievable scumbags".

For serious and repeated acts of scumbaggery, I've always favoured the idea of an island with high impenitrable walls. Not a facility that would cost money to run, the only investment would be in measures to ensure the scumbags cannot leave there. Fly scumbags out there by helicopter, and drop them in (don't land there) and after that forget about them. Let them murder, rape, eat each other, they are scumbags after all.

Sam Vimes · 16-09-2006 02:30PM

Duckjob wrote:

For serious and repeated acts of scumbaggery, I've always favoured the idea of an island with high impenitrable walls. Not a facility that would cost money to run, the only investment would be in measures to ensure the scumbags cannot leave there. Fly scumbags out there by helicopter, and drop them in (don't land there) and after that forget about them. Let them murder, rape, eat each other, they are scumbags after all.

i think someone had a similar idea before. about 60 years ago...

there has to be some chance of redemption

Spike wrote:

A bit OT, but does that 3-Strike system they have in the US work over here?
Never heard of it here so I'm assuming it doesn't. Could be a decent thing to introduce though. Assuming the prison issues are worked out first of course.

three's a bit excessive. they'd have to show that they're irredeemable before i'd give them a life sentence

Duckjob · 16-09-2006 02:50PM

Commander Vimes wrote:

i think someone had a similar idea before. about 60 years ago...

there has to be some chance of redemption

I'm talking about serious acts of scumbaggery. If somebody rapes and batters to death an 80 yr old women, then i'm not going to lose sleep over whether they will at some point repent or not. I'd sooner have them locked away from decent society where they can rot in peace.

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 16-09-2006 04:21PM

Its a disgrace i tell ya...

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Wez · 17-09-2006 02:16AM

I'm fed up with the gaurds.. I know there are a load of good guys out there, but from personal experience, they're useless!

I was at a party in the ivory I think it was, out in Dalkey, where you'd expect things to be civilised! We were in the club already (our friend was having his bday party there) and we went out to get smokes, came back and we were refused. We told him we were in already, and he said it'd because they're closing, so we were kinda alright with that. An older crowd come along, and they're straight in, no questions asked, so we obviously asked why we weren't allowed in (our friends were inside, so we wanted to get them out to go home, live miles away, so we needed to split a taxi) and he gave some bull****. So we asked if even one of us could just run in and grab our mates, then just leave. We were told to fook off etc, so I obviously stood my ground verbally. There was a gate up this alley beside the place, and 2 of us went up to shout through to our mates that we're leaving. So we walked around, and just at the entrance of the alley, the bouncer hopped the fence, and started pushing us back, telling us it's private property (even though we'd been there already that night and they never said a word) so I was like 'ok, we're leaving. Then he starts pushing me back and we told him to stop, there's no need. So he turned and grabbed my friend by the throat, not holding him but squeezing his glands, so he couldn't breath! So I jumped on him grabbed him by the neck (arm wrapped around his neck, I have some dignity in a fight..) then 6 guys run out from the club, and hop on me, start choking me and hitting me, couple punches were thrown etc. So I eventually got the message across that if he let go of my friend, I'd let go of the other one I grabbed, and everything kinda broke up.

So we called the gaurds and reported it. We waited outside the place for an hour and a half before it closed, and eventually the gaurds came. It's interesting to note that this was the second time they'd been called to that place that night. They'd already had a fight with some guys before about half an hour before us, which resulted in one of them getting a glass smashed in his face (I'm normally not for that kinda stuff, but these scumbag 'bouncers' actually deserved it). So I called the garda car over and explained the situation (kinda just spat out the main characters and plot). They told me to stand to the side, while they spoke to the bouncer, which I did. He blabbered to them for a few minuts before they drove over to me and started telling me to go home. I told them I wanted to file a report, one of them said I did when I rang them, but I said that's not at all formal, and asked advice for what to do next to follow this up. They said nothing and told me to just go home. I then said 'I'm asking your advice, you don't even have to do it now, I can do it in the morning, but should I go to my local garda station and follow this up there?' with that the ban garda jumps out of the car and starts threatening to arrest me and my friends if we don't leave this second. So I asked one more time now that we were leaving, and they then attempted to call a riot van (there was a number of us, only 2 in the actual fight) so with that I had to just leave while the bouncer had a big smirk on his face.

I was told the cheif 'paddy walsh' was in the back of the car and that if I was to follow it up, he's a name to mention.

After this ordeal, I have completely lost faith in the garda system. We were the ones who called them out, yet they tried to arrest us? Then when I asked how to follow it up, they wouldn't give me advice. It's obvious there's a connection with the club and the local gardai (was told this by a friend of the family who lives in the area) and I think it's a joke that stuff like that happens and they get away with it. The next day I was wrecked, my arm was almost dislocated, got smacked in the face, legs and ribs and there was nothing I could do about it, because nobody would give me any details to use.

So after that I'm nearly of the oppinion that I wish the gaurd who stood up for that kid deserved what he got. It's hard to tell who's worse..

Fighting Irish · 17-09-2006 03:35AM

(again **** deserved it)

jimmycrackcorm · 17-09-2006 04:36AM

Wez wrote:

So I called the garda car over and explained the situation (kinda just spat out the main characters and plot).
....

So after that I'm nearly of the oppinion that I wish the gaurd who stood up for that kid deserved what he got. It's hard to tell who's worse..

synopsis
Drunk kid tells garda blah blah
sober bouncer tells garda blah blah
Drunk kid posts immature comment on boards

Guy:Incognito · 17-09-2006 09:17AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

synopsis
Drunk kid tells garda blah blah
sober bouncer tells garda blah blah
Drunk kid posts immature comment on boards

To make matters worse, he wasnt even at the match.

Anyhoo, all who recieved a smack seemed like they deserved it, bar the gards obviously. Not enough people get smacked about by the gards these days.

17-09-2006 10:09AM

They should have the defense forces at any match, which might cause some sort of trouble.

And for those that say it'd be a waste of time; just remember that they do escort bank deliveries.

Seriously, if theres some guy trained in using semi-automatic weapons standing there, I sure as hell wouldn't cause any trouble.

lostexpectation · 17-09-2006 10:39AM

Wez wrote:

I'm fed up with the gaurds.. I know there are a load of good guys out there, but from personal experience, they're useless!

I was at a party in the ivory I think it was, out in Dalkey
I was told the cheif 'paddy walsh' was in the back of the car and that if I was to follow it up, he's a name to mention.

So after that I'm nearly of the oppinion that I wish the gaurd who stood up for that kid deserved what he got. It's hard to tell who's worse..

go to the station and make a complaint,re pats, gaurds only seem to know how to make a situation worse not simmer it down???

eth0_ · 17-09-2006 11:02AM

I'd love to know, is there any psychological profiling done when people apply to join the Guards?

Because there are a *LOT* of people in the force who are just there to throw their weight around and act like they're judge, jury and executioner.

Also, is it actually possible to be thrown out of the Guards? What about that guy who beat the crap out of some Socialist Workers Party guy (i can't stand them but that's not right) on May Day a few years ago, he never got into trouble and now he's a fscking DETECTIVE!

eth0_ · 17-09-2006 11:06AM

DaveMcG wrote:

If you hit a Garda, you deserve a beating.
.

No you don't. You should be immediately restrained and arrested for assault, and they should use the minimum amount of force necessary to get you to comply.

The Guards haven't a clue how to deal with people getting violent with them. If they were properly trained in say, some martial arts, they'd be able to disarm and restrain someone with minimum risk to themselves and the person they're arresting.

Guy:Incognito · 17-09-2006 11:41AM

eth0_ wrote:

No you don't. You should be immediately restrained and arrested for assault, and they should use the minimum amount of force necessary to get you to comply..

Why? Why does a scumbag like that deserve restraint? All that will happen is that he'll hit the gard, get arrested, go up in front of the judge, get an €80 poorbox fine and be happy as larry at the next game. At least if he gets a few smacks he might think again next time, knowing the gards mates are going to wade in on him.

Anyway, how can the gards be wrong here, did any of you actually read what Kdjac wrote or did you skip to the sentance wher the gard hit the guy?

I'll summarise: A man hit a kid with a bottle (a bottle folks! he didnt give him a clip round the ear) a nearby gard, witnessing a criminal act, restrains the guy, the gard then gets a dig for his trouble and then the gards use batons to stop further attcaks from "hard men" who like to outnumber a gard with a glorified stick. **** them I say, they deserved half an hour in the back of a van with 4 or 5 gards.

Gardai right wrong? OMG another thread

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