Thin models fired.

bragan · 13-09-2006 11:19AM #1

I read in the paper this morning, that models at a fashion show were not allowed to model clothes because they were too thin. This was done in order stop projecting the image to women that ultra thin is what we should be, and to try to reduce the number of teenage girls with eating disorders.
Apparently the milan fashion shows are adpoting the same rule. Each model will be assessed by a doctor, who will use their BMI as the decider.

Now, i read this in the herald am, so probably not the most reliable. Did anyone else hear about this, and what are peoples opinions on it.

If its true, personnally, i think its about time.:D

Edit: i found a link to it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060908/od_afp/afplifestylefashion_060908143012

Terry · 13-09-2006 11:23AM

damn right it's about time.

ever watch fashion tv? some of those women have the bodies of teenage boys.
they show a bit of tit during the day (because it's fashion and all), but my man boobs are bigger than most of the breasts on those women.

Ban on skinny models shocks fashion world

By Andrew Hay
Reuters
Tuesday, September 12, 2006; 11:54 AM

MADRID. (Reuters) - The world's first ban on overly thin models at a top-level fashion show in Madrid has caused outrage among modeling agencies and raised the prospect of restrictions at other catwalk pageants.

Madrid's fashion week has turned away underweight models after protests that young girls and women were trying to copy their rail-thin looks and developing eating disorders.

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Organizers say they want to project an image of beauty and health, rather than a waif-like, or heroin chic look.

But Cathy Gould, of New York's Elite modeling agency, said the fashion industry was being used as a scapegoat for illnesses like anorexia and bulimia.

"I think its outrageous, I understand they want to set this tone of healthy beautiful women, but what about discrimination against the model and what about the freedom of the designer," said Gould, Elite's North America director, adding that the move could harm careers of naturally "gazelle-like" models.

Madrid's regional government, which sponsors the show and imposed restrictions, said it did not blame designers and models for anorexia. It said the fashion industry had a responsibility to portray healthy body images.

"Fashion is a mirror and many teenagers imitate what they see on the catwalk," said regional official Concha Guerra.

The mayor of Milan, Italy, Letizia Moratti told an Italian newspaper this week she would seek a similar ban for her city's show unless it could find a solution to "sick" looking models.

QUALITY, NOT SIZE

The Madrid show is using the body mass index or BMI -- based on weight and height -- to measure models. It has turned away 30 percent of women who took part in the previous event. Medics will be on hand at the September 18-22 show to check models.

Under the Madrid ruling, models must have a BMI rating of around 18. That would disqualify top Spanish model Esther Canadas, and supermodels like Kate Moss, based on unofficial records of their height and weight.

"The restrictions could be quite a shock to the fashion world at the beginning, but I'm sure it's important as far as health is concerned," said Leonor Perez Pita, director of Madrid's show, also known as the Pasarela Cibeles.

When asked if they supported controls, seven Spanish designers showing at Madrid either declined to comment or said they did not want to become involved in the controversy. Designers in Milan gave a similar response.

A spokeswoman for the Association of Fashion Designers of Spain, which represents those at Madrid fashion week, said the group supported restrictions and its concern was the quality of collections, not the size of models.

Eating disorder activists said many Spanish model agencies and designers oppose the ban and they had doubts whether the new rules would be followed.

"If they don't go along with it the next step is to seek legislation, just like with tobacco," said Carmen Gonzalez of Spain's Association in Defense of Attention for Anorexia and Bulimia, which has campaigned for restrictions since the 1990s.

Elite's Gould said fashion was not to blame for eating disorders that usually started at home due to poor eating habits and constant dieting by mothers.

So far, Madrid's move has yet to spark a worldwide trend toward catwalk shows with curvier figures.

London Fashion Week said in a statement it would not put restrictions on what type of models its designers use.

(Additional reporting by Sophie Hardach in Milan)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/12/AR2006091200665.html

this picture shows one of the models from new yourk fashion week. from this page.

joejoem · 13-09-2006 11:34AM

Did anyone see the lingerie models on tv3 this morning? I was open mouthed the whole way through, fantastic bodies. Great work by the camera man who purposly lifted the camera over the first models cleavage to show her nipple, and how nice it was. great bodies, not too thin, not too fat. It made my morning.

Mrs_Doyle · 13-09-2006 11:38AM

julep wrote:

this picture shows one of the models from new yourk fashion week. from this page.

That picture made me wince.
I do think that a lot of the catwalk models are far too thin, however, I am sick over everyone saying that Charlotte Church is the best thing to ever happen to woman kind.
I am the same size as her, I am over weight and so is she and although I am all for 'curvy', I don't think that curvy should equal over weight - hailing someone who is over weight as a role model is not a good move.

In my opinion, the likes of scarlett johansson and Kelly Brook are much better example's of what should be truly hailed as a 'curvy' role model.
Both girls are healthy, toned and slim, they are the correct weight for their height and build and take care of themselves.

bragan · 13-09-2006 11:41AM

Very true Mrs_Doyle. However i don't think as many young girls would look at charlotte church, and decide they want to look like her. Maybe I'm wrong though. I know i wouldn't, but then i wouldn't want to look like the supermodels either!!

Either way, its about time somebody did something about it.

Terry · 13-09-2006 11:45AM

Mrs_Doyle wrote:

That picture made me wince.
I do think that a lot of the catwalk models are far too thin, however, I am sick over everyone saying that Charlotte Church is the best thing to ever happen to woman kind.
I am the same size as her, I am over weight and so is she and although I am all for 'curvy', but curvy doesn't have to equal over weight - hailing someone who is over weight as a role model is not a good move.

before you go throwing flowers at the feet of charlotte chruch, you have to remember sophie dahl.
she was once hailed as the next big thing in the model industry because she was curvy. then she lost all the weight and that's what will probably happen with that welsh bint.

MBC · 13-09-2006 11:51AM

That Pic is disgusting :eek: :mad:

Terry · 13-09-2006 11:54AM

you have to love thora birch and christina ricci. proper size women.
well, as far as hollywood goes anyway.

MBC wrote:

That Pic is disgusting :mad:

yet that is pretty much the norm for the fashion industry.

projectmayhem · 13-09-2006 11:57AM

good move tbh. i don't understand the fascination with uber thin models... it's not attractive in the slightest...

Mrs_Doyle · 13-09-2006 12:00PM

julep wrote:

before you go throwing flowers at the feet of Charlotte Church, you have to remember sophie dahl.
she was once hailed as the next big thing in the model industry because she was curvy. then she lost all the weight and that's what will probably happen with that welsh bint.

I am not throwing flowers at the feet of Charlotte church, I said that I DO NOT think she is a great role model.
I certainly wouldn't consider her as being anything to aspire too, and would have much more respect and admiration for the likes of Scarlett and Kelly, who look fit and healthy all year round.

daveirl · 13-09-2006 12:12PM

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bragan · 13-09-2006 12:26PM

daveirl wrote:

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I personally never saw that thread. But if a fat person is taking up two seats, then or course they should have to pay for two seats IMO.
I don't think these models are been discriminated against. The garda siochanna, army, etc all have factors that people must meet to be allowed in. This is the same kind of thing. These models can still be models, they just need to be "healthy" models. If a person is that thin naturally, then it would be discrimination, but these people destroy there bodies by choice.

I know i have just left myself open to alot of criticism now, and correction, but i really don't feel these models are been discriminated against.

joejoem · 13-09-2006 12:44PM

julep wrote:

you have to love thora birch and christina ricci. proper size women.
well, as far as hollywood goes anyway.

Dear god no! What is going on with Christina Ricci in that picture? Could she wear those bikini bottoms any higher?

Mossy Monk · 13-09-2006 12:47PM

good news

about time these sticks werent celebrated

ferdi · 13-09-2006 01:16PM

here's a question:

Are there more people (in the 'first' world obviously) who are too thin due to eating disorders or are there more people who are obese?

Dragan · 13-09-2006 01:26PM

It's hard to find a blanket figure to sume it up, but yes, the number of people who are overweight is somewhat great that those who are underweight.

It is important to note that anorexia, bullemia etc ( the undereating disorders ) widely accepted as being psychological in nature, while the accepted assumtion is that being overweight is just based around choosing to eat too much.

As such, people considered "thin" would only be a bad thing, or be entered into the figures if they showed overt signs of any undereating disorder, while most of those same studies base the overweight figures on BMI, which is somewhat misleading.

Chucky the tree · 13-09-2006 01:40PM

bragan wrote:

I personally never saw that thread. But if a fat person is taking up two seats, then or course they should have to pay for two seats IMO.
I don't think these models are been discriminated against. The garda siochanna, army, etc all have factors that people must meet to be allowed in.

You need to be a certain size to perform your duties in the army/ a garda.

bragan wrote:

This is the same kind of thing. These models can still be models, they just need to be "healthy" models. If a person is that thin naturally, then it would be discrimination, but these people destroy there bodies by choice.

I know i have just left myself open to alot of criticism now, and correction, but i really don't feel these models are been discriminated against.

Eh what?! Have you asked ever single model in the world if they have done this? How do you know they have all destroyed their bodies?

I dont have a problem with skinny models. I cant understand how girls can look at fashion tv and think "omg, if i dont become that thin no one will love me!" and develop an eating disorder, its their own fault for being retarded and not the modeling industry/girls.

ferdi · 13-09-2006 01:42PM

the somewhat contrevesial point i'm hinting at is that maybe we need these ultra thin models in the public domain in order to promote a culture, to in some way counter-act the staggering increase in obesity witnessed in the last 10/20 years.

on the other hand, these ultra thin models have been around all this time and yet the number of over-weight people rises....

maybe if average weight, healthy looking models became the norm, this would popularise a healthier body shape and there by decrease eating disorders of all kinds....

b3t4 · 13-09-2006 02:02PM

I don't think it's a case of thin models being fired. I think it's more of a case of unhealthy models being fired. (I am aware of the inaccuracies of the BMI but it's the tool choosen in this instance)

I think it's better for the models if the industry they work in promotes a healthy environment for them to work.

I think the knock on effect in society is that a healthy image of women will be portrayed across the board rather that an unhealthy image of extremely thin women.

A.

daveirl · 13-09-2006 02:27PM

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Ruu_Old · 13-09-2006 02:29PM

Mossy Monk wrote:

good news

about time these sticks werent celebrated

Agreed as a harsh as it may be.

Laura Fitz06 · 13-09-2006 04:08PM

im all for models to be more real looking . but have u seen the ad for asda o my god who would want to were the cloths she has on . nothing wrong with the cloths but her legs far to short for the jeans and them gray boots o my god . models should be tall to show off the cloths ,ok most could do with putting on a stone or two but i think asda went to far with this add

daveirl · 13-09-2006 04:32PM

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Terry · 13-09-2006 05:16PM

check your BMI here

mine is 30.8, which means i'm obese, but to look at me you wouldn't think it.
it is flawed, but look at the picture i posted above and thell me that the model pictured is healthy.
that's a picture from an actual fashion show and not some chick from an anorexia clinic.
elle mcpherson was never that skinny.

Hankyspanky123 · 13-09-2006 06:08PM

this is true, Elle was never that thin, nor was Cindi Crawford or Tyra Banks. To a certain extent, when Kate Moss came on the scene she started a 'fashion' for this girls, its called 'heroin Chick', its based on the fact that the skinnier and more sickly you look the more work you get. Pretty wrong if you ask me but there you go.

People are silly that get bogged down on weight issues and comparing themselves to models... but if im honest, while im very happy with my figure i am still guilty of lookin through magazines the odd time and then pinching the 'fat' parts of my body and groaning.

Its also a fact that many eathing disordes are borne out of a craving to be able to 'controll' some part of your life rather than a desire to be thin.

Merrick · 13-09-2006 06:15PM

Hankyspanky123 wrote:

Its also a fact that many eathing disordes are borne out of a craving to be able to 'controll' some part of your life rather than a desire to be thin.

I agree with this, although we're bombarded with all these skinny beautiful people, most women are actually confidant and smart enough to realise that they don't have to starve themselves in order to be 'acceptable' or pretty.
Everyone has some sort of issue with their figure no matter how thin (or otherwise) they are anyway, but it's never as bad as you think it is yourself!

Eoin · 13-09-2006 06:23PM

julep wrote:

check your BMI here

mine is 30.8, which means i'm obese, but to look at me you wouldn't think it.
it is flawed, but look at the picture i posted above and thell me that the model pictured is healthy.

Brad Pitt, Shaquille O'Neal and LeBron James are all overweight according to the BMI. Russell Crowe is obese. I don't think you can take a system seriously that only takes two of so many possible variables into account.

TerrorFirmer · 13-09-2006 06:32PM

julep wrote:

check your BMI here

mine is 30.8, which means i'm obese, but to look at me you wouldn't think it.
it is flawed, but look at the picture i posted above and thell me that the model pictured is healthy.
that's a picture from an actual fashion show and not some chick from an anorexia clinic.
elle mcpherson was never that skinny.

Some people can easily fool themselves with what does and doesn't constitute obesity...not directed solely at you julep, but as with some of these skinny models in the other extreme, sometimes you lose sight of where you're currently at quite quickly.

My bmi is 22.4, which I'm fairly happy with. Not that, either, I'd let a simple bmi test dictate my health obviously but taking it generally...

Brian Capture · 13-09-2006 08:52PM

Mrs_Doyle wrote:

That picture made me wince.
I do think that a lot of the catwalk models are far too thin, however, I am sick over everyone saying that Charlotte Church is the best thing to ever happen to woman kind.
I am the same size as her, I am over weight and so is she and although I am all for 'curvy', I don't think that curvy should equal over weight - hailing someone who is over weight as a role model is not a good move.

In my opinion, the likes of scarlett johansson and Kelly Brook are much better example's of what should be truly hailed as a 'curvy' role model.
Both girls are healthy, toned and slim, they are the correct weight for their height and build and take care of themselves.

Charlotte Church is a RIDE.

Thin women make me sick.

Ever seen a fat cancer victim?

Oriel · 14-09-2006 12:58AM

Sorry, is this a thread exclusely for fat people, or can anybody bitch jealously?

14-09-2006 01:30AM

Yes, this is a problem. Did fashion modeling. But like it or not, "thin will always be in" on the catwalk and ramp, no matter what you hear from the press or Milano, so long as most guys like the look.

This also impacts on acting. Anyone filmed knows that the cam adds ten pounds, so you have to compensate by being thinner.

Thin models fired.

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