Thin models fired.

bragan

I read in the paper this morning, that models at a fashion show were not allowed to model clothes because they were too thin. This was done in order stop projecting the image to women that ultra thin is what we should be, and to try to reduce the number of teenage girls with eating disorders.
Apparently the milan fashion shows are adpoting the same rule. Each model will be assessed by a doctor, who will use their BMI as the decider.

Now, i read this in the herald am, so probably not the most reliable. Did anyone else hear about this, and what are peoples opinions on it.

If its true, personnally, i think its about time.:D

Edit: i found a link to it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060908/od_afp/afplifestylefashion_060908143012

Terry

damn right it's about time.

ever watch fashion tv? some of those women have the bodies of teenage boys.
they show a bit of tit during the day (because it's fashion and all), but my man boobs are bigger than most of the breasts on those women.

Ban on skinny models shocks fashion world

By Andrew Hay
Reuters
Tuesday, September 12, 2006; 11:54 AM

MADRID. (Reuters) - The world's first ban on overly thin models at a top-level fashion show in Madrid has caused outrage among modeling agencies and raised the prospect of restrictions at other catwalk pageants.

Madrid's fashion week has turned away underweight models after protests that young girls and women were trying to copy their rail-thin looks and developing eating disorders.

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Organizers say they want to project an image of beauty and health, rather than a waif-like, or heroin chic look.

But Cathy Gould, of New York's Elite modeling agency, said the fashion industry was being used as a scapegoat for illnesses like anorexia and bulimia.

"I think its outrageous, I understand they want to set this tone of healthy beautiful women, but what about discrimination against the model and what about the freedom of the designer," said Gould, Elite's North America director, adding that the move could harm careers of naturally "gazelle-like" models.

Madrid's regional government, which sponsors the show and imposed restrictions, said it did not blame designers and models for anorexia. It said the fashion industry had a responsibility to portray healthy body images.

"Fashion is a mirror and many teenagers imitate what they see on the catwalk," said regional official Concha Guerra.

The mayor of Milan, Italy, Letizia Moratti told an Italian newspaper this week she would seek a similar ban for her city's show unless it could find a solution to "sick" looking models.

QUALITY, NOT SIZE

The Madrid show is using the body mass index or BMI -- based on weight and height -- to measure models. It has turned away 30 percent of women who took part in the previous event. Medics will be on hand at the September 18-22 show to check models.

Under the Madrid ruling, models must have a BMI rating of around 18. That would disqualify top Spanish model Esther Canadas, and supermodels like Kate Moss, based on unofficial records of their height and weight.

"The restrictions could be quite a shock to the fashion world at the beginning, but I'm sure it's important as far as health is concerned," said Leonor Perez Pita, director of Madrid's show, also known as the Pasarela Cibeles.

When asked if they supported controls, seven Spanish designers showing at Madrid either declined to comment or said they did not want to become involved in the controversy. Designers in Milan gave a similar response.

A spokeswoman for the Association of Fashion Designers of Spain, which represents those at Madrid fashion week, said the group supported restrictions and its concern was the quality of collections, not the size of models.

Eating disorder activists said many Spanish model agencies and designers oppose the ban and they had doubts whether the new rules would be followed.

"If they don't go along with it the next step is to seek legislation, just like with tobacco," said Carmen Gonzalez of Spain's Association in Defense of Attention for Anorexia and Bulimia, which has campaigned for restrictions since the 1990s.

Elite's Gould said fashion was not to blame for eating disorders that usually started at home due to poor eating habits and constant dieting by mothers.

So far, Madrid's move has yet to spark a worldwide trend toward catwalk shows with curvier figures.

London Fashion Week said in a statement it would not put restrictions on what type of models its designers use.

(Additional reporting by Sophie Hardach in Milan)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/12/AR2006091200665.html

this picture shows one of the models from new yourk fashion week. from this page.

joejoem

Did anyone see the lingerie models on tv3 this morning? I was open mouthed the whole way through, fantastic bodies. Great work by the camera man who purposly lifted the camera over the first models cleavage to show her nipple, and how nice it was. great bodies, not too thin, not too fat. It made my morning.

Mrs_Doyle

julep wrote:

this picture shows one of the models from new yourk fashion week. from this page.

That picture made me wince.
I do think that a lot of the catwalk models are far too thin, however, I am sick over everyone saying that Charlotte Church is the best thing to ever happen to woman kind.
I am the same size as her, I am over weight and so is she and although I am all for 'curvy', I don't think that curvy should equal over weight - hailing someone who is over weight as a role model is not a good move.

In my opinion, the likes of scarlett johansson and Kelly Brook are much better example's of what should be truly hailed as a 'curvy' role model.
Both girls are healthy, toned and slim, they are the correct weight for their height and build and take care of themselves.

bragan

Very true Mrs_Doyle. However i don't think as many young girls would look at charlotte church, and decide they want to look like her. Maybe I'm wrong though. I know i wouldn't, but then i wouldn't want to look like the supermodels either!!

Either way, its about time somebody did something about it.

Terry

Mrs_Doyle wrote:

That picture made me wince.
I do think that a lot of the catwalk models are far too thin, however, I am sick over everyone saying that Charlotte Church is the best thing to ever happen to woman kind.
I am the same size as her, I am over weight and so is she and although I am all for 'curvy', but curvy doesn't have to equal over weight - hailing someone who is over weight as a role model is not a good move.

before you go throwing flowers at the feet of charlotte chruch, you have to remember sophie dahl.
she was once hailed as the next big thing in the model industry because she was curvy. then she lost all the weight and that's what will probably happen with that welsh bint.

MBC

That Pic is disgusting :eek: :mad:

Terry

you have to love thora birch and christina ricci. proper size women.
well, as far as hollywood goes anyway.

MBC wrote:

That Pic is disgusting :mad:

yet that is pretty much the norm for the fashion industry.

projectmayhem

good move tbh. i don't understand the fascination with uber thin models... it's not attractive in the slightest...

Mrs_Doyle

julep wrote:

before you go throwing flowers at the feet of Charlotte Church, you have to remember sophie dahl.
she was once hailed as the next big thing in the model industry because she was curvy. then she lost all the weight and that's what will probably happen with that welsh bint.

I am not throwing flowers at the feet of Charlotte church, I said that I DO NOT think she is a great role model.
I certainly wouldn't consider her as being anything to aspire too, and would have much more respect and admiration for the likes of Scarlett and Kelly, who look fit and healthy all year round.

daveirl

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bragan

daveirl wrote:

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I personally never saw that thread. But if a fat person is taking up two seats, then or course they should have to pay for two seats IMO.
I don't think these models are been discriminated against. The garda siochanna, army, etc all have factors that people must meet to be allowed in. This is the same kind of thing. These models can still be models, they just need to be "healthy" models. If a person is that thin naturally, then it would be discrimination, but these people destroy there bodies by choice.

I know i have just left myself open to alot of criticism now, and correction, but i really don't feel these models are been discriminated against.

joejoem

julep wrote:

you have to love thora birch and christina ricci. proper size women.
well, as far as hollywood goes anyway.

Dear god no! What is going on with Christina Ricci in that picture? Could she wear those bikini bottoms any higher?

Mossy Monk

good news

about time these sticks werent celebrated

ferdi

here's a question:

Are there more people (in the 'first' world obviously) who are too thin due to eating disorders or are there more people who are obese?

Dragan

It's hard to find a blanket figure to sume it up, but yes, the number of people who are overweight is somewhat great that those who are underweight.

It is important to note that anorexia, bullemia etc ( the undereating disorders ) widely accepted as being psychological in nature, while the accepted assumtion is that being overweight is just based around choosing to eat too much.

As such, people considered "thin" would only be a bad thing, or be entered into the figures if they showed overt signs of any undereating disorder, while most of those same studies base the overweight figures on BMI, which is somewhat misleading.

Chucky the tree

bragan wrote:

I personally never saw that thread. But if a fat person is taking up two seats, then or course they should have to pay for two seats IMO.
I don't think these models are been discriminated against. The garda siochanna, army, etc all have factors that people must meet to be allowed in.

You need to be a certain size to perform your duties in the army/ a garda.

bragan wrote:

This is the same kind of thing. These models can still be models, they just need to be "healthy" models. If a person is that thin naturally, then it would be discrimination, but these people destroy there bodies by choice.

I know i have just left myself open to alot of criticism now, and correction, but i really don't feel these models are been discriminated against.

Eh what?! Have you asked ever single model in the world if they have done this? How do you know they have all destroyed their bodies?


I dont have a problem with skinny models. I cant understand how girls can look at fashion tv and think "omg, if i dont become that thin no one will love me!" and develop an eating disorder, its their own fault for being retarded and not the modeling industry/girls.

ferdi

the somewhat contrevesial point i'm hinting at is that maybe we need these ultra thin models in the public domain in order to promote a culture, to in some way counter-act the staggering increase in obesity witnessed in the last 10/20 years.

on the other hand, these ultra thin models have been around all this time and yet the number of over-weight people rises....

maybe if average weight, healthy looking models became the norm, this would popularise a healthier body shape and there by decrease eating disorders of all kinds....

b3t4

I don't think it's a case of thin models being fired. I think it's more of a case of unhealthy models being fired. (I am aware of the inaccuracies of the BMI but it's the tool choosen in this instance)

I think it's better for the models if the industry they work in promotes a healthy environment for them to work.

I think the knock on effect in society is that a healthy image of women will be portrayed across the board rather that an unhealthy image of extremely thin women.

A.

daveirl

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Ruu_Old

Mossy Monk wrote:

good news

about time these sticks werent celebrated

Agreed as a harsh as it may be.

Laura Fitz06

im all for models to be more real looking . but have u seen the ad for asda o my god who would want to were the cloths she has on . nothing wrong with the cloths but her legs far to short for the jeans and them gray boots o my god . models should be tall to show off the cloths ,ok most could do with putting on a stone or two but i think asda went to far with this add

daveirl

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Terry

check your BMI here

mine is 30.8, which means i'm obese, but to look at me you wouldn't think it.
it is flawed, but look at the picture i posted above and thell me that the model pictured is healthy.
that's a picture from an actual fashion show and not some chick from an anorexia clinic.
elle mcpherson was never that skinny.

Hankyspanky123

this is true, Elle was never that thin, nor was Cindi Crawford or Tyra Banks. To a certain extent, when Kate Moss came on the scene she started a 'fashion' for this girls, its called 'heroin Chick', its based on the fact that the skinnier and more sickly you look the more work you get. Pretty wrong if you ask me but there you go.

People are silly that get bogged down on weight issues and comparing themselves to models... but if im honest, while im very happy with my figure i am still guilty of lookin through magazines the odd time and then pinching the 'fat' parts of my body and groaning.

Its also a fact that many eathing disordes are borne out of a craving to be able to 'controll' some part of your life rather than a desire to be thin.

Merrick

Hankyspanky123 wrote:

Its also a fact that many eathing disordes are borne out of a craving to be able to 'controll' some part of your life rather than a desire to be thin.

I agree with this, although we're bombarded with all these skinny beautiful people, most women are actually confidant and smart enough to realise that they don't have to starve themselves in order to be 'acceptable' or pretty.
Everyone has some sort of issue with their figure no matter how thin (or otherwise) they are anyway, but it's never as bad as you think it is yourself!

Eoin

julep wrote:

check your BMI here

mine is 30.8, which means i'm obese, but to look at me you wouldn't think it.
it is flawed, but look at the picture i posted above and thell me that the model pictured is healthy.

Brad Pitt, Shaquille O'Neal and LeBron James are all overweight according to the BMI. Russell Crowe is obese. I don't think you can take a system seriously that only takes two of so many possible variables into account.

TerrorFirmer

julep wrote:

check your BMI here

mine is 30.8, which means i'm obese, but to look at me you wouldn't think it.
it is flawed, but look at the picture i posted above and thell me that the model pictured is healthy.
that's a picture from an actual fashion show and not some chick from an anorexia clinic.
elle mcpherson was never that skinny.

Some people can easily fool themselves with what does and doesn't constitute obesity...not directed solely at you julep, but as with some of these skinny models in the other extreme, sometimes you lose sight of where you're currently at quite quickly.

My bmi is 22.4, which I'm fairly happy with. Not that, either, I'd let a simple bmi test dictate my health obviously but taking it generally...

Brian Capture

Mrs_Doyle wrote:

That picture made me wince.
I do think that a lot of the catwalk models are far too thin, however, I am sick over everyone saying that Charlotte Church is the best thing to ever happen to woman kind.
I am the same size as her, I am over weight and so is she and although I am all for 'curvy', I don't think that curvy should equal over weight - hailing someone who is over weight as a role model is not a good move.

In my opinion, the likes of scarlett johansson and Kelly Brook are much better example's of what should be truly hailed as a 'curvy' role model.
Both girls are healthy, toned and slim, they are the correct weight for their height and build and take care of themselves.

Charlotte Church is a RIDE.

Thin women make me sick.

Ever seen a fat cancer victim?

Oriel

Sorry, is this a thread exclusely for fat people, or can anybody bitch jealously?

Black Swan

Yes, this is a problem. Did fashion modeling. But like it or not, "thin will always be in" on the catwalk and ramp, no matter what you hear from the press or Milano, so long as most guys like the look.

This also impacts on acting. Anyone filmed knows that the cam adds ten pounds, so you have to compensate by being thinner.

Eoin

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

Yes, this is a problem. Did fashion modeling. But like it or not, "thin will always be in" on the catwalk and ramp, no matter what you hear from the press or Milano, so long as most guys like the look.

I don't think that most guys do like the look - if you were to take a poll, I'd think you would find that most men would prefer a woman with a fuller figure.

It could be as simple as the skinnier models make the designers' clothes look better, I don't know. Do you really think that if this was about what "most guys" wanted, that the runways wouldn't be full of women with 36 Ds? I don't think men are to blame for this one.

The Sweeper

The craze for thin women comes from gay designers. Gay men aren't attracted to the female form and far prefer the androgynous stick thin look. Part of their 'art' is to create a perfect shape, and the latest fashion is for that to be a size zero (US, UK and Ireland size 4 - or a negative zero, which is a UK and Ireland size 2).

This isn't a bitch about skinny people, like size 8 or size 10. They'd be nearing plus size in the fashion industry, and couture designers wouldn't use them because they were too big. This is about emaciated people.

Have you ever met someone who was a size 4? I have a friend who is a size 4 on her bottom half, size 6 ish on top - so she's the size of most models, if shorter - she's 5 ft 6. She was anorexic from the age of about 11 years. She's been hospitalised, had medical interventions, her entire family holds her eating disorder against her. She's now got the body of a recovering anorexic but is hopelessly bulimic and spends the day with her head down the loo. She's still a size bigger than she feels she could be - for both her own self image, and that of the designers.

When you're that thin, apart from losing anything resembling boobs, you also lose your ass. Your butt cheeks take on the appearance of being permanently hollow, like an elderly man's ass. When you are nothing but skin and bone and light headedness, and no horrible bodily functions, like pooing, or yucky periods, you are the gay man's perfect creation.

There is a difference between being thin, and the total and utter bullsh1t that the fashion industry is feeding women.

Nobody who is healthy is naturally a UK size four, unless they are very young (teens), very short or recovering from an illness. Because to be that size, you have to be consuming less than your recommended intake of calories a day, exercising obsessively or just not eating - and that's just not healthy.

The fashion industry is no longer thin. It is emaciated.

It is skeletal women, wearing ugly clothes, in order to be attractive to gay men, who aren't attracted to women anyway.

Dr_Teeth

I think this 'ban' is a great idea personally.. no models with a BMI of less than 18 please! Hardly anyone, even a model, is 'naturally' under 18 BMI anyway, and the few that are they can just eat a few cakes. That certainly makes more sense than all the other normal models starving themselves or doing drugs to stay thin.

If the ban can be communicated as a workplace health and safety thing a la the smoking ban here in Ireland, it could really take off imo.

Dragan

sinecurea wrote:

Sorry, is this a thread exclusely for fat people, or can anybody bitch jealously?

Indeed, the jealousy is just oozing of the page. :rolleyes:

Personally i would love to be in a job that demanded that i have a dangerous low body mass in order to be sucessful

Sam Vimes

julep wrote:

this picture shows one of the models from new yourk fashion week. from this page.

you know what that reminds me of:

for just ten euro a month we can buy her and her whole family a ham sandwich

chamlis

julep wrote:

you have to love thora birch and christina ricci. proper size women.
well, as far as hollywood goes anyway.

Oh drool. Ideal proportioned women. Must include Jennifer Love Hewitt also.

I must go for a laydown....

I'm in work so I can't go searching for a pic

Gordon

She's extremely underweight and not very appealing but I'd still not kick her out of bed for eating food in it. Probably would if she auto-vomited on it though.

Tar.Aldarion

This thread was only interesting to check my BMI, 22.5.

That firl is too thin but I must admit, my preferred girl is quite short and really thin. Infact, I'll use avril as an example as usual.


Anyway, I like that that ban happened, some girls are so unhealthily thin. I have a friend that was under 7 stone, thinking she is fat and making herself get sick. She is so hot and didn't know it... so underweight too...
It's such a bad image that is presented to girls in magazines.

Maynoothman123

I thought the pictures of those models were decent enough. Skinny models look much better and thats why they are prevalent. Overweight people are always trying to normalise their own sad state by having a go at skinny people.

Sleepy

What people seem to forget is that fashion models aren't paid to be attractive. They're paid to make the clothes they wear look attractive, so naturally, they look like clothes hangers.

Were girls like Natalie Portman, Kirsten Dunst, Alicia Silverstone, Angelina Jolie to be models, they'd take too much attention from the clothes.

Sgt Pepper

Long overdue, shoulda been stopped years ago. Mens magazines are as bad - if i had a fiver for every 14 year old bloke/kid i saw in the gym damaging his body from over using/wrongly using weights, i'd have bought the gym and barred the lot of 'em. Some of them have stretch marks all over, and are stunting their growth etc. It's crazy the pressure we put on/allow to be put on our kids.

darkflower

gone are the days when thin bodies was in. :rolleyes: it's time to put in some flesh...:cool: :cool: :cool:

daveirl

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Siogfinsceal

one of teh models who was banned is Esther Canades the spanish model which I dont agree with as she usually looks great. look create as much song and dance about weight as you want but at the end of the day women are not going to buy clothes worn by a size 16+ walking down a runway are they? Read 'fashion babylon' it has a very interesting piece and explanation on this.

NeMiSiS

Do not operate heavy machinery after viewing ths link http://images.google.ie/images?q=Alessandra+Ambrosio&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images

wo wo wo wo wo wo wwow !

Siogfinsceal

she looks great. The model in the bikini in the original post does not look that bad either. Clothes are designed on paper - the thinner the model the more likely the designs look like the designers intended on them.

OliviaM

models are supposed to make dresses look good so the attention in not focused on them but rather on the clothes.it doesn't matter if the model is thin.:cool:

Faith

Mrs_Doyle wrote:

I am sick over everyone saying that Charlotte Church is the best thing to ever happen to woman kind.
I am the same size as her, I am over weight and so is she and although I am all for 'curvy', I don't think that curvy should equal over weight - hailing someone who is over weight as a role model is not a good move.

Eh, I'm sorry, but Charlotte Church is a size 12. She's a perfectly healthy weight. Also, IMO, she looks great.

Red Alert

I've always gone for slightly curvier women, so i think it's about time!

DilbertPartII

i'd prefer women with more flesh and a lot more curves. they are terriffic! models should be too!;)