Night Out Ruined

Isnt it obvious to anyone else that FillSpectre/MorningStar and laslo are the same poster? He even got confused and posted as the wrong account above. Isnt there supposed to be some rule against that?

The lad obviously has issues if he'll go to this length to prove someone is 'lying' on a trivial thread on a board like AH...

CiaranC wrote:

Isnt it obvious to anyone else that FillSpectre/MorningStar and laslo are the same poster? He even got confused and posted as the wrong account above. Isnt there supposed to be some rule against that?

The lad obviously has issues if he'll go to this length to prove someone is 'lying' on a trivial thread on a board like AH...

Well as I have pointed out numerous times I am not Morningstar but I like the additional character I am meant to be now Laslo.

Report me to the mods for dual accounts and prove it. I think whoever Morningstar is deserves a medal as it seems to be anybody who opposes the mindless mob mentality here gets called that name.

Ha, I was just thinking the very same thing myself!

Commander Vimes wrote:

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1. the girl waited a long time for a drink. it may or may not have been 45 minutes but the important fact was that many people came and went in the meantime. i know this happens because it happened to me

2. the girl asked if she was going to be served. it may or may not have sounded rude. no one on this thread was there and so can't comment on its rudeness or lack thereof.

3. she was told no and got upset. perhaps a little excessive but some women are like that.

4. they asked to speak to the manager and he was told that they were being abusive before he got to them. basically they cooked up a story to get rid of the people because they didn't want the hassle. something bouncers do 100 times a night as anyone will tell you who's been told that a passport isn't acceptable as ID

5. they were thrown out

Lets clarrify
1 The time is an issue and points out a likely exageration
2. What is quoted as saying is rude and smart arsed regardless of tone
3. No perhaps about it is is excessive and shows a lack of emotional control. It suggestes being drunk also
4. We do not know the manager was told anything of the sort this is pure fabrication and/or assumption
5. The were asked to leave more than once after a discussion with the manager that we are unaware of its content.

Rather than assume sober people doing their job set out to victimise people due to one barmaid it makes more sense the girl who can't control her emotions said something rude and was compounded by her BF and they were all asked to leave. You see one requires massive illogical conspiracy and one is normal human behaviour in a bar.

Commander Vimes wrote:

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now my questions:
1. what is so ground-breakingly unbelievable about that

2. why don't you believe that the bar woman was simply a bitch and the bouncers didn't want the hassle?

3. why would he make it up?

4. why would he post his made up story on the net?

5. where did he change his story other than possibly clarifying it?

6. are you like that bloke that works with me that constantly questions everything people say and tells them they're wrong for no apparent reason and if so, does anyone like you?

1. You made up facts that nobody including the OP can state for sure
2. The only quote we got was the girl acting like a bitch and then overreacting
3. You freely accept and suggest he has exagerated. Normal people take offense to being told they are in the wrong whether they are in the wrong or not. He isn't actively lying he believes his account but he is also changing it to match his account and throwing in theories of what must have happened. E.g. the bar staff are sexist, barmaid must have ran to the bouncers to get them kick out
4. See above he thinks he is right regadless
5. Girl returned crying changed to she wasn't crying untill the boyfriend asked her what was wrong.
6. Your personal issue with a work collegue has tainted your view of the facts People question an obviously exaggerated and biased story that seems to change when pushed. What is your issue with? YOu seem to have confused some of the speculative details added with what has been said for sure

CiaranC wrote:

Ok FillSpectre/MorningStar/laslo, i dont really care, I just think its a bit sad really.

You could at least try not to reply in the first person in one account to posts addressed to your other accounts, it makes you look stupid (which you arent) as well as a bit creepy.

You don't get it do you
I am Fill Spectre and not the other people. It is actually really sad that people can't get it through their thick skulls I am not the other people. I am not on my own and either or they. A bit of mature logical thinking can see that this story is nonscience.
What is really creepy is the insistance that only one person can talk like me becasue I disagree with the masses.
The mods can check the IP addresses to check who is who just report me and you will see you are wrong. I am sure there are ways and means around this but I assure you I don't know them.

Excellent post, Dragan.

I've not had much bad experience with bar/door staff, seeing as I hate pubs/clubs, just been thrown out a few times when I deserved to be.

As regards the underage entry leading to fuss over ID, laughable.

FillSpectre wrote:

I am fully aware of your idiotic insistance and style of bully people here. As I pointed out some people think a like and those who don't think alike might think like each other. You have a few people who agree with you and you all pat each other on the back I don't know nor have I even seen this other guy(s) you insist on saying I am.

The girl crying suggests she was drunk do you disagree with that? Do you think it is more likely that the barmaid was determined to get them thrown out becasue somebody was going to tell the manager she was rude? Comparing the two it makes more sense the crying girl was drunk that is my view maybe Morningstar would agree when you are talking to him next ask him

I bully people, ha ha, don't make me laugh. You are the one who bullys and nit picks at other people's stories.

Anyway, if you are not MorningStar perhaps you could put this to bed then. How about honestly answering a few quetions...

- MorningStar had an interest in property, he was a landlord. Are you a landlord?
- MorningStar worked in retail, do you or have you in the last year worked in retail
- MorningStar cycles to work - do you or have you in the past year cycled to work on a regular basis?

FillSpectre wrote:

The girl crying suggests she was drunk do you disagree with that? Do you think it is more likely that the barmaid was determined to get them thrown out becasue somebody was going to tell the manager she was rude? Comparing the two it makes more sense the crying girl was drunk that is my view maybe Morningstar would agree when you are talking to him next ask him

Not really no, your are making the logical jump that:

sex + location + emotional state = inebriation.

This, while seeming logical to you, does not seem logical to me, based on my experiences as a doorman who has dealt with crying girls, and boys, more times than i care to think about.

From my experience drunk girls will normally only cry over two things

1) A fight with their boyfriend
2) They have cut or hurt themselves somehow. I have noticed that a very small amount of physical pain while drunk, or the sight of blood can really set off otherwise very balanced girls when drunk.

From my experience SOBER girls will actually cry over things like:

1) Insult or perceived insult.
2) Bad news.
3) Friends not showing up.
4) Mistreatment by staff or other pub/club goers.

From my experience, a drunk girl who is slighted by the barmaid as claimed in this case would not come back in tears, nor would they come back quietly.

First of all, let us establish that most people, male or female need to be very drunk to start crying over something so silly ( we will not worry about WHAT people would cry about here, just that you would need a large amount of alchohol in you to do so, yes? ). I have found that girls will be right in the face of anyone who gives them grief if they are this drunk.

Girls are not shrinking violets who will tear up at some insult....not with drink in them. To me, as an experienced doormen used to dealing with the drunken public, the girl would be FAR more likely to give back a lot of grief, and come back to the table saying "that fuc*ing bitch wouldn't serve, what a whore" etc etc etc.

THAT is human nature, not to curl up in a safe emotional ball and have a little cry.

I'm not saying whether the OP is right or wrong, though i have no reason to doubt him at all. His posting history that i have seen tells me his is not an idiot, nor is he an attention seeker, nor would he post something just for the sake of it.

I am merely pointing out that you argument of crying=drunk is more of an implication that you do not often deal with this type of situation and are letting personnal views affect what you perceive as being logic.

Remember that true logic can only exist when you have total knowledge and understanding of something, which neither you, nor I can have in this instance.

As such i suggest that everyone chill out, it's just a story, whatever drives you to be so eager to have people see your point and say "FillSpectre" you are right i suggest you ease up on. No one will care, any victory, be it slight, perceived or obvious, will not last long and is unlikely to even occur in the face of popular opinion.

Yeah Walter Mitty, just state that you dont believe it and it automatically isnt true. You need to see a professional, seriously.

Now I should be served with the columbo card. He started it by being certifiably insane and spending all day on the internet with multiple accounts to 'win' stupid pointless arguments.

CiaranC wrote:

Now I should be served with the columbo card. He started it by being certifiably insane and spending all day on the internet with multiple accounts to 'win' arguments though.

He was never gonna win.....as i already pointed out his main point of "logic" was completely flawed and influenced by personal opinion as opposed to fact, or even experience.

Thats a pretty shaky foundation to be basing your argument on tbh.

Dragan wrote:

Not really no, your are making the logical jump that:

sex + location + emotional state = inebriation.

Never suggested her sex was an issue other than her relationship. Location and irrational reacrion and acknowledgemnet alcohol was involved are enough

Dragan wrote:

This, while seeming logical to you, does not seem logical to me, based on my experiences as a doorman who has dealt with crying girls, and boys, more times than i care to think about.

My experience from behind a bar, which is the actual situation we are talking about, counters yours.

Dragan wrote:

From my experience drunk girls will normally only cry over two things

1) A fight with their boyfriend
2) They have cut or hurt themselves somehow. I have noticed that a very small amount of physical pain while drunk, or the sight of blood can really set off otherwise very balanced girls when drunk.


From my experience SOBER girls will actually cry over things like:

1) Insult or perceived insult.
2) Bad news.
3) Friends not showing up.
4) Mistreatment by staff or other pub/club goers.

So in your view sober girls cry over more things than drunk girls? I have never heard anything so strange . You are actually suggesting alcohol inhibits emotional control:rolleyes: I love the way that the last option is the situation we are talking about and specifies pubs/clubs. So bad customer service elsewhere doesn't bother them?

Dragan wrote:

From my experience, a drunk girl who is slighted by the barmaid as claimed in this case would not come back in tears, nor would they come back quietly.

He claimed she was crying when she returned and then she wasn't untill asked. The barmaid returned a smart comment made by the girl. This is according to the original telling of the story.

Dragan wrote:

First of all, let us establish that most people, male or female need to be very drunk to start crying over something so silly ( we will not worry about WHAT people would cry about here, just that you would need a large amount of alchohol in you to do so, yes? ). I have found that girls will be right in the face of anyone who gives them grief if they are this drunk.

Yet you suggest a sober girl would cry at such things straight away? People accuse me of being argumentative but you are argueing with yourself. You can't establish that as I don't agree and I think you would be hard pushed to get anybody to agree with your views on alcohol. I am sure people on this thread will agree as it fits the story though.:rolleyes:

Dragan wrote:

Girls are not shrinking violets who will tear up at some insult....not with drink in them. To me, as an experienced doormen used to dealing with the drunken public, the girl would be FAR more likely to give back a lot of grief, and come back to the table saying "that fuc*ing bitch wouldn't serve, what a whore" etc etc etc.

As a person who would actually have dealt with customers in this exact situation only drunk ones start crying when told off for being rude which is what I consider the "No" to mean.

Dragan wrote:

I'm not saying whether the OP is right or wrong, though i have no reason to doubt him at all. His posting history that i have seen tells me his is not an idiot, nor is he an attention seeker, nor would he post something just for the sake of it.

I pointed out why I think he is posting and did not say any of the reasons you state now. He thinks he is right but the details suggest a very differnet story even given his bias. Have you no noticed the vast personal speculation on the events?

Dragan wrote:

I am merely pointing out that you argument of crying=drunk is more of an implication that you do not often deal with this type of situation and are letting personnal views affect what you perceive as being logic.

I worked in bars for well over 5 years in a places with experienced drinkers and college freshers away from home. I have seen lots of amazing behaviour. As a door man you would not experience the treatment of barstaff. Unlike doormen barstaff get to see people get progressively drunk and the different moods associated you get to see them sober then drunk generally. Different stages of drunken behaviour over emotional reaction from everybody is very normal and girls cry when drunk more so than when sober. I have never seen a sober girl cry in a shop when the staff have been rude back.

Crying = lack of control
Doesn't matter if alcohol was the cause it indicatesshe could have been ripped to shreds by the barmaid. I agree that is possible but as we at least know the girl was rude first maybe she deserved it