lithuanian's in ireland&crime?

BizMaker · 19-01-2006 05:32PM

unfit2006 wrote:

but one thing is certain, the general public have little idea of the true extent and nature of the scams operated in this area of society.

I believe that a sizeable portion of the general public knows what's going on.
But it's still a taboo subject and not discussed in the open just in case it upsets our aslyum seekers and the 6 supporters of Residents Against Racism.

And it definitely cannot be discussed on boards.ie. If you do, you will be called a racist.

Canis Lupus · 19-01-2006 05:49PM

rsynnott wrote:

I can assure you that 75% of people who quote statistics with no evidence are dangerously insane.

That works on so many levels

gibbon75 · 19-01-2006 05:57PM

Canis Lupus wrote:

I think it's a conspiracy.

BigArnie · 19-01-2006 06:47PM

rsynnott wrote:

The media's agendas (besides that of BBC and a couple of others) are determined entirely by how many copies it will sell them and whether it will encourage advertising.

Indeed. But how many (broadsheet) readers want to read about crimes specifically committed by Polish or Lithuanian guys? Do you reckon that's a factor taken into account as they think it'll sell more papers? Or make more people watch RTE News? I would have thought the crime would be the clincher more than the natioanlity of the perpatrator?

rsynnott · 19-01-2006 06:50PM

BigArnie wrote:

Indeed. But how many (broadsheet) readers want to read about crimes specifically committed by Polish or Lithuanian guys? Do you reckon that's a factor taken into account as they think it'll sell more papers? Or make more people watch RTE News? I would have thought the crime would be the clincher more than the natioanlity of the perpatrator?

People like to see things in the paper that reflect their own views. There is a worrying tendency these days towards casual racism, as demonstrated by those strange people who happily believe the free car/pram rumours on no evidence.

And I don't see why you'd think broadsheet readers above racism. Racism transcends class and education level.

BigArnie · 19-01-2006 08:27PM

rsynnott wrote:

People like to see things in the paper that reflect their own views. There is a worrying tendency these days towards casual racism, as demonstrated by those strange people who happily believe the free car/pram rumours on no evidence.

And I don't see why you'd think broadsheet readers above racism. Racism transcends class and education level.

Again I agree. So you're saying that the point above could well be accurate - the media will target crime committed by foreigners over 'domestic' criminals because it makes for better news.

unfit2006 · 19-01-2006 09:11PM

rsynnott wrote:

I can assure you that 75% of people who quote statistics with no evidence are dangerously insane.

Now that is some repost !!..LOL.

Just out of curiosity, could you explain the correlation in that statement.

jimmycrackcorm · 20-01-2006 01:14AM

rsynnott wrote:

People like to see things in the paper that reflect their own views.
...
And I don't see why you'd think broadsheet readers above racism. Racism transcends class and education level.

Or maybe they are reporting the news. This week two latvians car-jacked a car and we remember that last few weeks it was reported that a Latvian stabbed someone and something else involving a Latvian was in the news a few weeks prior to that.

That's no more racist than calling Limerick stab city because we read about a stabbing - and hey wasn't there another one the week before etc.

During the height of the troubles we all got so tuned out from bombing constant news reports that any other lesser newsworthy story would have had the same effect as this thread.

rsynnott · 20-01-2006 02:55AM

unfit2006 wrote:

Now that is some repost !!..LOL.

Just out of curiosity, could you explain the correlation in that statement.

No, re-read; I refuse to spoonfeed.

adonis · 20-01-2006 04:56PM

WhiteWashMan wrote:

perhaps, but maybe not. i dont think you can define all tabloids as such.
mostly they are just full of items of news that are ofr interest to a certain demographic.

just becuase you dont find it interesting, doesnt mean others dont. and i dont think that the tabloids are neccessarily mis-leading in information.
they may be completely biased in opinion, and over the top sometimes, but wwith regrads to facts, i dont think they are too often wrong. they tend to get sued otherwise.

yeah you can tabloids are junk and are there for one thing and one thing only..thats to sell..hence they appeal to the lowest common denominators in society...or base instincts, sex, interest in violence, voyeurism...
and i dont think its just stupid people that read tabloids, its lazy people...thats all

Flex · 20-01-2006 05:26PM

BizMaker wrote:

I believe that a sizeable portion of the general public knows what's going on.
But it's still a taboo subject and not discussed in the open just in case it upsets our aslyum seekers and the 6 supporters of Residents Against Racism.

Hey come on now, lets not go making crazy over-exagerrations of the amount of supporters those people in the RAR have.

DannyBoy.Lt · 17-07-2006 12:44AM

Hello everyone. I am Lithuanian, 23, live in Monaghan. Used to live in Dublin for couple of years. I was never a victim of a crime in lithuania but last summer i was attacked in dublin by 2 irish teens (17 y old or so). Crime has no rase or nationality. Is every crime in Ireland commited by non Irish?

Somebody mentioned a small town in Co. Monaghan horrified by lithuanians living there. Believe me, lithuanians suffer the most in that town, not gangsters, ordinary people.

It is not strange for me to hear that Lithuanians commit crimes, etc ... If Irish start emigrating to Lithuania (we'r not that rich

, I guess most of Lithuanians would start blaming them for taking over jobs, commiting crimes and so on.

If one nation should understand and welcome imigrants - that should be Ireland. Dont forget your own past.

THERE ARE BAD PEOPLE AMONG US, THERE ARE BAD PEOPLE AMONG YOU.
PEACE ...

DannyBoy.Lt · 17-07-2006 01:13AM

Media likes stories about emigrants commiting crimes.
If someone from a newspaper is reading my post please send me a pm. I can tell you diffrent stories.
Lithuanians working on construction sites for 8 eu an our or less. No safe pass training, no payslips.
Exploitation at mushroom farms - working 80 ours a week and getting paid 200 eu a week no holiday, no holiday money either.

Irish teenagers singing songs as you pass by - ''go home ****ers, go home, have yous got no home''

I have a home, and it's here .. I have earned it through my work.

GreenDoor · 17-07-2006 01:21AM

BigArnie wrote:

Again I agree. So you're saying that the point above could well be accurate - the media will target crime committed by foreigners over 'domestic' criminals because it makes for better news.

What?!
I think you have things back to front. The media hardly ever reports foreign crime because they know they'll have the PC brigade out in force calling the racists etc.

I'm amazed at what I've been reading here! Do you not know that the media is made up with left wing, pro immigration journalists?

Aedh Baclamh · 17-07-2006 01:21AM

Ehh minimum wage is €8, so what are you complaining about?

And what's this 'Don't forget your past' stuff all about? Irish were never welcomed.

Aedh Baclamh · 17-07-2006 01:24AM

"Do you not know that the media is made up with left wing, pro immigration journalists?"

Exactly. What the others are saying is complete drivel.

weemcd · 17-07-2006 01:30AM

I bloody love gypsies. My best friend's a gypsie. And he's black. And he's in a wheelchair. And he wears a turbine. In fact, he's kind of minority group you can think of, and I think he's proper bo', I tell thee.

GreenDoor · 17-07-2006 01:37AM

Aedh Baclamh wrote:

Exactly. What the others are saying is complete drivel.

There is method behind their maddness (and they are mad btw!). People who don't understand politics will think that the media are racist by listening to them calling the media racist. It would be laughable if it wasn't so serious.

The media is so pro multicultural it's frightening.

biko · 17-07-2006 02:25AM

GreenDoor wrote:

The media is so pro multicultural it's frightening.

Yeah, Irish/English Sun/Star/Independent etc are to blame. Irish are best left to ourselves. Boo for outside influences. Or did I get you wrong there?

clearz · 17-07-2006 08:44AM

Aedh Baclamh wrote:

Ehh minimum wage is €8, so what are you complaining about?

And what's this 'Don't forget your past' stuff all about? Irish were never welcomed.

Im so with ya mate. Im sick of listening to all this bull**** as if the Irish where welcomed with open arms years ago. What a load of cock. I have no hastle with anyone here. Unless your muslim.

Wibbs · 17-07-2006 09:01AM

weemcd wrote:

I bloody love gypsies. My best friend's a gypsie. And he's black. And he's in a wheelchair. And he wears a turbine.

Jaysus he even generates his own power? Well you can't say fairer than that really.

DannyBoy.Lt · 17-07-2006 11:13AM

Aedh Baclamh wrote:

Ehh minimum wage is €8, so what are you complaining about?

And what's this 'Don't forget your past' stuff all about? Irish were never welcomed.

Minimum wage in construction is 13 eu, isn't it ? Why does irish labourer work 39 our week and get paid 450 eu a week, and i used to work in a same company doeing exactly the same job on a same site 50 ours a week, getting paid 423 eu a week. Does that seem fair?

Hobbes · 17-07-2006 11:58AM

DannyBoy.Lt wrote:

Minimum wage in construction is 13 eu, isn't it

Its 7.65, with stipulations.

http://www.oasis.gov.ie/employment/pay_and_employment/pay_inc_min_wage.html

Terry · 17-07-2006 12:12PM

DannyBoy.Lt wrote:

Media likes stories about emigrants commiting crimes.
If someone from a newspaper is reading my post please send me a pm. I can tell you diffrent stories.
Lithuanians working on construction sites for 8 eu an our or less. No safe pass training, no payslips.
Exploitation at mushroom farms - working 80 ours a week and getting paid 200 eu a week no holiday, no holiday money either.

Irish teenagers singing songs as you pass by - ''go home ****ers, go home, have yous got no home''

I have a home, and it's here .. I have earned it through my work.

anyone working on a mushroom farm is exploited.
it doesn't matter where you hail from.

as for teenagers telling you to go home, they do it to anyone. i got a few kickings in surrounding towns because of where i was from.

masteroftherealm · 17-07-2006 12:19PM

By dot forget yur own past the guy meants the irish went abroad decades ago when we had no money and we had to work for what we had. Now that we have money in our country we have become as a nation agressive towards immigration into our own country.
We wouldnt have this country if we coulnt do it ourselves.
Were a disgrace as a naion in certain areas.
Hundreds of immigrants are being taken advantage of daily, working for a pittance, being blackmailed with their own work permits.

As for media journalism, first, look at the irish newspapers for the first time in your lives, stop reading spam like the sun/star etc maybe youll startbeing able to comment on the media theb. Anything that comes from a tabloid is fiction. I dont know why pwople even buy them.

Ireland needs to take a long hard look at the way we are.
This nation is going down a bad path. And we need to be careful or things will go bad for us.

And as the lithuanian guy said.

Irish people have bad people amoung us. So do lithuaininas, polish, german, american everyone. Dont tar everyone with the one brush. That happened to the irish for long enough. Lets not turn into that which we hate most.

masteroftherealm · 17-07-2006 12:20PM

julep wrote:

anyone working on a mushroom farm is exploited.
it doesn't matter where you hail from.

as for teenagers telling you to go home, they do it to anyone. i got a few kickings in surrounding towns because of where i was from.

Im sorry but if you live in Dublin and think the treatment of irish peope y young peple and forigners is the same you havent sen the half of it mate.

masteroftherealm · 17-07-2006 12:21PM

julep wrote:

anyone working on a mushroom farm is exploited.
it doesn't matter where you hail from.

And that makes it ok?

(orry for triple post)

Terry · 17-07-2006 02:08PM

masteroftherealm wrote:

And that makes it ok?

(orry for triple post)

no, that doesn't make it ok, but it's not a race issue. Irish people work on these farms too and they too are exploited. anyone ever go backpacking through europe and supplement their income by picking fruit? i'm sure you didn't get overly paid for it.

masteroftherealm wrote:

Im sorry but if you live in Dublin and think the treatment of irish peope y young peple and forigners is the same you havent sen the half of it mate.

no, i don't live in Dublin, but that doesn't mean that i'm completely oblivious to what goes on there. the same thing happens in every town all over the country. the lithuanian guy who revived this thread lives in cavan. i don't recall this having anything to do with Dublin alone. look at the title of the thread for confirmation on this.

Hundreds of immigrants are being taken advantage of daily, working for a pittance, being blackmailed with their own work permits.

where does this information come from?

dermot_sheehan · 17-07-2006 04:19PM

Hobbes wrote:

Its 7.65, with stipulations.

http://www.oasis.gov.ie/employment/pay_and_employment/pay_inc_min_wage.html

Under a collective barganing agreement registered with the labour court the minimum wage for certain occupations can be higher.

If DannyBoyLT is being screwed over by his employer, he should take them to the equality commission. If more people did this it would happen less.

L31mr0d · 17-07-2006 05:25PM

just my 2 cent: during my 5 years in college i've worked in sectors all over the place during the summer and i've met Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Poles, Russians, Ukranians... you name it, from building sites, to warehouses, to petrol stations and shopping markets, there even where a few in my college that I knew, they where a mix of males, females and ages so statistic wise it was a pretty good cross section. All of them where sound, a good laugh, willing to adapt to Irish culture and hard workers (more than I can say for the majority of Irish people i've worked with), and apart from the odd individual who couldn't grasp english I got to know all of them as i'm extermely interested in foreign cultures and what they will bring to our culture. So as far as i'm concerned 100% of all the eastern block individuals that I know are not violent, dangerous or evil, and apart from being very free spirited I doubt the majority of them are any threat to us.

I'd advise people to evaluate actually what you KNOW and what you've HEARD. Bigotry begins when you start to judge the many on the actions of only a few. Culturally diversity has a lot to bring to this country, it's already keeping our economic boom going through immagration and supply and demand.

I'm frankly more scared of the rising level of hooliganism amongst irish youths, how many stories of attacks by irish youths do you think get overlooked by the media or not reported because the country is interested in hearing of the fallacies of the foreigners.

lithuanian's in ireland&crime?

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