lithuanian's in ireland&crime?

sarah lk

hi
im doing a piece on foreign crime in ireland.lately people have been telling me about of alot of crime in their community here any one know what is happening or put some light on the subject.its bad enough irish people stabbing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

casanova_kid

piece for what? sounds a bit racist to me.

Nightwish

maybe the OP's referring to the fact that a significant proportion of victims of unlawful deaths in Ireland in 2005 were Eastern european

casanova_kid

Nightwish wrote:

maybe the OP's referring to the fact that a significant proportion of victims of unlawful deaths in Ireland in 2005 were Eastern european

It's hard to tell to be honest, i can't make head nor tail of what she is trying to say.

sarah lk

not racist at all.sunday world ran a piece about a town in monaghan and residents were in fear over lituanians causing trouble.im writing about anti_social irish people also

Hagar

casanova_kid wrote:

piece for what? sounds a bit racist to me.

The PC brigade were here quick tonight. If only the Gardai would do the same.:rolleyes:

the_menace

casanova_kid wrote:

piece for what? sounds a bit racist to me.

Jesus. I'm so sick of hearing the 'racist' mantra when people express legitimate concerns about foreigners and crime. We're not Americans - we're Irish. Let's not be overly PC and actually look at things objectively and if statistics prove (which they may or may not) that there's a disproportionate amount of crime amongst foreign immigrants then so be it. Honestly, all this "you're a rascist" crap is completely pathetic.

From what I can gather, yes: there seem to be a notable amount of assualts carried out by Eastern Europeans (usually on each other) in recent years. A lot of the knifing and malicious assaults you hear are by Polish, Lithuanian people etc. Am I a racist because I hear it on the radio? Are the radio stations racist because they report it? Come on now folks.

PS: Poles and Lithuanians are generally the same race as us.

ST*

sarah lk wrote:

hi
im doing a piece on foreign crime in ireland.lately people have been telling me about of alot of crime in their community here any one know what is happening or put some light on the subject.its bad enough irish people stabbing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You haven't worded it very well, but I take it to mean that there is an increases in racist crimes being commited against Eastern Europeans?

casanova_kid

the_menace wrote:

Jesus. I'm so sick of hearing the 'racist' mantra when people express legitimate concerns about foreigners and crime. We're not Americans - we're Irish. Let's not be overly PC and actually look at things objectively and if statistics prove (which they may or may not) that there's a disproportionate amount of crime amongst foreign immigrants then so be it. Honestly, all this "you're a rascist" crap is completely pathetic.

From what I can gather, yes: there seem to be a notable amount of assualts carried out by Eastern Europeans (usually on each other) in recent years. A lot of the knifing and malicious assaults you hear are by Polish, Lithuanian people etc. Am I a racist because I hear it on the radio? Are the radio stations racist because they report it? Come on now folks.

Maybe you hear about Eastern Europeans alot more because of the way the media manipulate the facts. If she's gonna base her story on some article from a piece of **** like the 'Sunday World', then it's hardly going to be a fair, properly analysed story.

Hagar

Maybe you hear about East Europeans commiting crimes because they did commit them ?

ST*

the_menace wrote:

Jesus. I'm so sick of hearing the 'racist' mantra when people express legitimate concerns about foreigners and crime. Honestly, all this "you're a rascist" crap is completely pathetic.

From what I can gather, yes: there seem to be a notable amount of assualts carried out by Eastern Europeans (usually on each other) in recent years. A lot of the knifing and malicious assaults you hear are by Polish, Lithuanian people etc. Am I a racist because I hear it on the radio? Are the radio stations racist because they report it? Come on now folks.

Nicely done.

casanova_kid

Hagar wrote:

Maybe you hear about East Europeans commiting crimes because they did commit them ?

I'm sure they committed the crimes reported but are they reporting as much on the crimes comitted by Irish people. Personally, i've never had any problems with Eastern Europeans.

ST*

casanova_kid wrote:

If she's gonna base her story on some article from a piece of **** like the 'Sunday World', then it's hardly going to be a fair, properly analysed story.

What about local papers that give details on the weekly court appearances?

the_menace

casanova_kid wrote:

Maybe you hear about Eastern Europeans alot more because of the way the media manipulate the facts. If she's gonna base her story on some article from a piece of **** like the 'Sunday World', then it's hardly going to be a fair, properly analysed story.

Well personally I don't read rags. Okay, I read the Times but it's about as unraggy as Irish papers get. I listen to Newstalk and FM104 in the car and it's the same deal. Considering their numbers, there does seem to be a disproportionate amount of violent crimes among Eastern Europeans.

Maybe all the media have it in for them, maybe Hagar's right - they are actually committing these crimes.

Before any dimwit goes and accuses me of being a racist (lol) I'd just like to point out that I have a few Polish friends and my best mate is engaged to a Polish girl. Not that that doesn't make me racist - for those who understand what racism actually is, I also have plenty of black mates (mainly in the UK) and even some Arabic friends. Most of the Poles are worried about the significant minority. Most of my black friends won't go anywhere near predominantly black nightclubs in London for fear of being jumped. Most of my Arabic friends bitch and moan about the rise in Islamic fundamentalism coming from their countries and countries of origin, for those that aren't living there anymore. Yet if I as an Irishman express these worries, I'm a racist. I love it.

Karl Hungus

Hagar wrote:

Maybe you hear about East Europeans commiting crimes because they did commit them ?

Dun dun DUN!!! :eek:

Oh the implications...

Frankly though, I've known a lot of Polish people, even had a Polish girlfriend for a while, and I think they're great most of the time. Can't say I've ever had trouble with any of them, and I was actually very suprised to hear that a lot of the bank card skimming was done by Eastern Europeans, just because of my experiences with them. But for gods sake, can we have just one thread where the PC Brigade doesn't jump down everyone's throat? It's really, really tiresome. It really is.

Litcagral

sarah lk wrote:

hi
im doing a piece on foreign crime in ireland.lately people have been telling me about of alot of crime in their community here any one know what is happening or put some light on the subject.its bad enough irish people stabbing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I suggest that you get some lessons in English structure, grammar and punctuation before writing your "piece".

the_menace

Karl Hungus wrote:

Frankly though, I've known a lot of Polish people, even had a Polish girlfriend for a while, and I think they're great most of the time.

Agreed. They're about as close to Irish people as people from outside Ireland get.

sarah lk

thanks shock treatment just in my local papers i have seen countless lituanian and polish in court for stabbing,assualt im not being racist but the amount of it concerns me

casanova_kid

Shock_treatment wrote:

What about local papers that give details on the weekly court appearances?

Yeah, the majority from my local paper reported on would be Irish, i seem to note, with a few exceptions.

the_menace

Litcagral wrote:

English structure

Syntax?

Hagar

casanova_kid wrote:

I'm sure they committed the crimes reported

So it's not racist then to say that they committed them? What's your point then?

casanova_kid

Hagar wrote:

So it's not racist then to say that they committed them? What's your point then?

its bad enough irish people stabbing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does that not sound racist to you? Maybe she had a point but to be honest with you, the post was so poor that i didn't really understand her.

kc66

Shock_treatment wrote:

What about local papers that give details on the weekly court appearances?

Exactly. I've noticed recently in the local paper a high proportion of drink driving cases with names of defendents that sound eastern European

alleepally

Would A Mod Not Lock This Thread. Christ Almighty But Is There No End To This Same Old Sh1te.

Hagar

I think the point, although poorly made, was that already high crime levels have been worsened by crimes committed by foreign nationals.

casanova_kid

Hagar wrote:

I think the point, although poorly made, was that already high crime levels have been worsened by crimes committed by foreign nationals.

In fairness, nobody (including me) has facts to back any of these arguments up.

Hagar

At least we're not shouting, we are just having a nice chat.:D

ST*

sarah lk wrote:

thanks shock treatment just in my local papers i have seen countless lituanian and polish in court for stabbing,assualt im not being racist but the amount of it concerns me

n/p - I might get shot down for this, but then again its my view.
Some Eastern Europeans are pre-historic in their ways.

Someone I know has neighbours from East Eur, and the husband mangled the wife over Christmas. He dragged her to the street and beat lumps out of her, the kids are even sporting lumps and bumps. In their view, women are there to be servants to the men, and to have their children. there is still no respect for the female race.
(Yes, I know they all aren't like that)

Allowing such huge volumes of people with completely different cultures into the country and expect it all to go down a treat, is ridiculous.

Needless to say the woman who witnessed it was on to the police, and as far as I know the social services.
Some of them can be barbaric

Hagar

Unfortunately many an Irish wife and children were beaten by her/their Irish husband/father this Christmas.

ST*

kc66 wrote:

Exactly. I've noticed recently in the local paper a high proportion of drink driving cases with names of defendents that sound eastern European

My area is rife with these cases!
The amount of Eastern Europeans being pulled over and taken out of cars with massive amounts of drink in them is a disgrace.
No tax, no insurance etc to boot.

Ronan|Raven

Indeed they can I also know of a guy in the locality who kicked the seven shades of ****e out of his wife and he was Irish. As with all communities you will always get people out to cause trouble or make their money through crime.

Also there are more "gangs" for want of a better word setting up shop here as it is very easy for them to hide away under different guises as here to work, it provides an easy enviroment for them to commit and get away with these crimes to an extent.

casanova_kid

Shock_treatment wrote:

n/p - I might get shot down for this, but then again its my view.
Some Eastern Europeans are pre-historic in their ways.

Someone I know has neighbours from East Eur, and the husband mangled the wife over Christmas. He dragged her to the street and beat lumps out of her, the kids are even sporting lumps and bumps. In their view, women are there to be servants to the men, and to have their children. there is still no respect for the female race.
(Yes, I know they all aren't like that)

Allowing such huge volumes of people with completely different cultures into the country and expect it all to go down a treat, is ridiculous.

Needless to say the woman who witnessed it was on to the police, and as far as I know the social services.
Some of them can be barbaric

you know as well as i do domestic abuse is as much an Irish problem aswell.

ST*

Hagar wrote:

Unfortunately many an Irish wife and children were beaten by her/their Irish husband/father this Christmas.

:v: Of course there are. not denying that at all, but this thread was supposed to be based on EE crime..

Same answer to you Casa & Ronan

sarah lk

ok.lets start again.we have irish scumbags too im very aware of that,just should people be vetted from other countries if they have a dodgy past

Ronan|Raven

Of course they should be, but there is no such system in place yet or any plans to do so?

ST*

sarah lk wrote:

should people be vetted from other countries if they have a dodgy past

Yes. Why deliberately up the crime rate here.

sarah lk

ok,to be honest id like to see honest decent non nationals come here to live and work but not criminals??is that much to ask?

the_menace

casanova_kid wrote:

Does that not sound racist to you?

No:

rac·ism
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Could people please stop using the word racist if they don't understand the meaning.

Hagar

Shock_treatment wrote:

:v: Of course there are. not denying that at all, but this thread was supposed to be based on EE crime..

Same answer to you Casa & Ronan

I made the point in the interest of balance and fairness. It would be wrong to demonize EEs for behaviour that up to very recently was socially acceptable in this country.
Their apparent involvement in organized/serious crime is another matter altogether.

ST*

Hagar wrote:

I made the point in the interest of balance and fairness. Their apparent involvement in organized/serious crime is another matter altogether.

If truly interested in the balance, give the issue the recognition it deserves, in another thread. (not meant in a snotty manner)

Their apparent involvement in org/ser crime is the matter of the thread if I'm not mistaken..

Civilian_Target

Meh - I'm you get bad Lithuanian apples sames as you get bad Irish apples. True - you're going to get some opportunists coming over here because theres more money to be had than in Lithuania, but all the Lithuanians I've ever met here have been easy going and great craic, and I only wish I could say that for all the Irish I've met abroad...

zinc

casanova_kid wrote:

piece for what? sounds a bit racist to me.

Lol, are we not allowed point out if a ethnic group these days is committing a lot of crime in their host country?

zinc

casanova_kid wrote:

Maybe you hear about Eastern Europeans alot more because of the way the media manipulate the facts. If she's gonna base her story on some article from a piece of **** like the 'Sunday World', then it's hardly going to be a fair, properly analysed story.

Why do you assume the facts are being manipulated, because they dont fit your ideal?

Mossy Monk

zinc wrote:

Lol, are we not allowed point out if a ethnic group these days is committing a lot of crime in their host country?

apparently not or we will labled with the KKK

RoundyMooney

This is a much nicer place than the other thread. It's full of nay saying zealots there as opposed to realists and non prejudiced souls like Hagar, Zinc, and Mossy. (Apologies if I missed anyone.)

[Jackass]

I would just like to point out none of my friends are black, eastern european, asian, gay or disabled.

By the logic of this thread i am a racist, a biggot and a loner.

But at least im not a traveller!!

the_menace

DubGuy wrote:

I would just like to point out none of my friends are black, eastern european, asian, gay or disabled.

By the logic of this thread i am a racist, a biggot and a loner.

But at least im not a traveller!!

Then why do you live in a caravan?

gaf1983

I think either The Sunday Tribune or The Irish Times had a piece a while back about the high numbers of victims of violent crime among the Lithuanian community.

I suppose a large proportion of the Lithuanians that come over here to work are young single males. Statistics show that this is the population group most likely to commit and be victims of violent crime - for example, the Garda Annual Report for 2004 on page 38 shows that of the 37 murder victims that year, 21 were males aged between 21 and 40 years.

Drinking at home is another factor that can lead to violence - when tempers flare it is much easier to reach for a kitchen knife at home than if you were in a pub. Also, to drink at home is cheaper, so people that do so are likely to get more drunk, and thereby more prone to violence.

billy the squid

the_menace wrote:

Then why do you live in a caravan?

maybe he is on holiday.

I'm sure the travelling community can manage without you DubGuy.

Sleepy

the_menace wrote:

Syntax?

Now I'm as pedantic as the next man but Litcagral had a fair point:

sarah lk wrote:

hi
im doing a piece on foreign crime in ireland.lately people have been telling me about of alot of crime in their community here any one know what is happening or put some light on the subject.its bad enough irish people stabbing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks shock treatment just in my local papers i have seen countless lituanian and polish in court for stabbing,assualt im not being racist but the amount of it concerns me

One can only assume it's The Sun or the Hedald[sic] that you're "doing" a piece for as one would imagine that any half-decent paper's editorial team require some level of knowledge of (and respect for) grammar from their contributors...

Hobbes

zinc wrote:

Lol, are we not allowed point out if a ethnic group these days is committing a lot of crime in their host country?

I agree! Please do point out with actual figures instead of made up bull crap.