Pete Doherty on Ross

DOLEMAN · 08-07-2006 02:49PM

xzanti wrote:

Kate what were you thinking?

I don't know why I'm using doleman's account, but I was feeling lonely and felt he understood me.

hoody · 08-07-2006 03:50PM

I wonder was I watching the same show?

the pete doherty i saw certainly wasn't smacked off his head - some of his answers were quite witty, like when he was talking about how he often gets greeted on the street:
"Oh Pete,pete what are you going to do, oh Pete?"
"....Have an ice-cream?"

He made a lovely job of the song too, if there was no interview, and it was just the song, there would be no thread. Also I think Ross has a bit to answer for - he marched into every sensitive subject and repeatedly cut into Pete's answers, not something I'd've expected because Ross is probably my favourite chatshow host.

Then Pete's present to Ross was also quite endearing. Far more positives than negatives to be had from this interview if you're a Pete fan - if not, what do you care?

bennyx_o · 08-07-2006 03:54PM

Have to agree, from what I saw he wan't smacked off his head, but then I fell asleep.

Pigman II · 08-07-2006 04:13PM

nipplenuts wrote:

Pete Doherty on Ross

Only marginally less interesting than 'Pete Doherty on heroin'

LadyJ · 08-07-2006 04:22PM

I was surprised that he didn't actually seem too out of it tbh.

I mean,to me,it seemed that he wasn't actually on anything (except perhaps dope).
I mean,I think people are confusing the kind of withdrawn state of someone who is a recovering heroin addict,
with being smacked off your tits,tbh!

Ballerina · 08-07-2006 07:01PM

hoody wrote:

I wonder was I watching the same show?

the pete doherty i saw certainly wasn't smacked off his head - some of his answers were quite witty, like when he was talking about how he often gets greeted on the street:
"Oh Pete,pete what are you going to do, oh Pete?"
"....Have an ice-cream?"

He made a lovely job of the song too, if there was no interview, and it was just the song, there would be no thread. Also I think Ross has a bit to answer for - he marched into every sensitive subject and repeatedly cut into Pete's answers, not something I'd've expected because Ross is probably my favourite chatshow host.

Then Pete's present to Ross was also quite endearing. Far more positives than negatives to be had from this interview if you're a Pete fan - if not, what do you care?

totally agree

elvis2002 wrote:

pfft, shows alot about yourself tbh if you think like that. He's scum of the earth.

ill agree to disagree with you because im not very good at getting my point across

scop · 08-07-2006 07:19PM

I like Pete, a good antithesis to the pretty bland world most people think is nice, safe and comforting. Its an age where people worry about their rock stars doing drugs, I mean thats just hilarious.

Good song, usual doe-eyed, other-worldy look about him. He's hard to watch, train-wreck type, but that dosent make the guy evil, or a bad musician.

Tha Gopher · 08-07-2006 07:51PM

thebaz wrote:

don't understand why so many here hate Pete Doherty -- true Rock n Roll is abount bending the rules and being different -- and getting loaded --- from Keith Richard to Iggy Pop -- ShaneMcGowan to Sid Vicious --

But you have sort of anwsered your own question there. What does Sid Vicious, Shane McGowan, Shaun Ryder of the Mondays and Ol Dirty Bastard of the Wu Tang have in common? All had drug/alcohol problems. However, all were absoloutely legendary....well....mad kunts! They were characters.

Sid Vicious was death to interview because he took the piss so much, and repeatedtly swore and used the c word when it wasnt really the done thing to do on 1970s BBC live broadcasts

Shaun Ryder and the Mondays were pure Madchester. Off their rocker northern scallies. Ever see The Agony and the Ecstasy, a docu which followed Ryder around about 2 years ago. He offers spliffs to his 11 year old daughter and sets his own arm on fire with lighter fuel for a laugh.
Quote from the interview
Producer "In the old days did you ever perform without taking drugs?"
Shaun "Back in the old days I didnt watch Coronation Street without taking drugs" Legend

ODB- at the time of his death, had fathered roundabouts 13 children. Interrupted someone elses acceptance speech at the MTV Awards back in 95 or so by running on stage and declaring that Wu Tang "does it for the kids". Used his last ever interview to proclaim that the first thing he did when released from jail was pop a few E`s (which his lawyer, who was sitting in on the interview, kept advising him wasnt the wisest thing to say lest the parole officers be reading. ODB didnt give a sh1te and continued on).

And now Doherty. The craziest thing he did was inject heroin into an unconscious female fan. In terms of comedy its not exactly up with the time Bez and Shaun Ryder were arrested for molesting a horse in Dublin.

thebaz · 08-07-2006 07:55PM

sioda wrote:

The Guy is an ape the fact that the english media keep advertising him disgusts me what sort of a role model is this dope. I mean if a normal person was caught with drugs as many times as he has they would be in the nick so why isn't he

The English media, apart from music press, despise him and potray him as Public enemy No 1. He is a talented musician with a drug problem, hardly original as others have said , but its not as if he selling heroin or coke , or into child pornography. There are far more nasty , twisted , corrupt, sick individuals than Pete Doherty -- give him a break in his quest to get clean -- he has something -- the gorgeos Kate M.

padi89 · 08-07-2006 08:24PM

scop wrote:

Its an age where people worry about their rock stars doing drugs, I mean thats just hilarious.

Maybe his family,friends? and groupies worry about him but im sure nobody here really gives a feck about his drug problem.
The fact that he milks the media as much as they milk him he certainly doesnt do himself any favours,he is as bad as Paris Hilton at this stage.
The guy has serious "potential" talent but at the moment and for a long time has been buried under a mass of junk,i cannot fathom how anyone with the way he is now can admire him,pay to see him or buy his records.

thebaz · 09-07-2006 12:37AM

padi89 wrote:

The guy has serious "potential" talent but at the moment and for a long time has been buried under a mass of junk,i cannot fathom how anyone with the way he is now can admire him,pay to see him or buy his records.

I am not advocating heroin usage, but sometimes when you are in the gutter on junk, great artistic things can happen exile on main street, the velvet underground, iggy and the stooges , john coltrane, miles davis -- pete doherty and the libertines have not reached these heights but many bands still see the alure of junk from , nirvana to doherty , from primal scream to spaceman 3. But then you those photos of the young irish girl in the irish indo last week , and you see what the reality of real heroin addiction is for the average user.

mr_angry · 09-07-2006 12:55AM

Personally, I thought the song he did for the show was atrociously bad. Awful guitar playing, no real tune, and constantly changing between two totally different melodies that didn't mix together well.

I didn't see most of the interview, but the bit I did see made him look like a deer caught in the headlights. Its like his manager told him "You're gonna sit in a chair and talk to Johnathan Ross for 10 minutes", and only when he got there did he realise that it was live TV and had a studio audience! To me, he just looked totally out of his depth, depressed, and not much of a talker. I'm not sure I've cringed as much since the infamous Morrissey interview on the same show.

In general, Pete Doherty has co-written 5 or 6 great songs. However, all of the other songs on the albums he's released have been utter shìte. He's very hit-and-miss to say the least. I don't know what to think of him as a person, but as a musician, he's pretty mediocre, and I would put a lot of his success down to the people he wrote with in the past, like Karl Barat. If he doesn't get his act together soon, I see him just sliding into oblivion.

Dave! · 09-07-2006 01:03AM

mr_angry wrote:

I'm not sure I've cringed as much since the infamous Morrissey interview on the same show.

You got a link to that by any chance? I searched on YouTube, but there was only an introduction thing...

You have me curious now, lol

mr_angry · 09-07-2006 01:09AM

The only thing I could find was a similar interview with Jools Holland. Its safe to say that Morrissey has a somewhat unique interview style...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__7X4OxGgJ0&search=Morrissey

Stephen · 09-07-2006 02:18AM

thebaz wrote:

don't understand why so many here hate Pete Doherty

I don't understand why anyone stands up for the prick. He's just a media whore.

scop · 09-07-2006 01:32PM

Stephen wrote:

I don't understand why anyone stands up for the prick. He's just a media whore.

Because he is not the divil! Hes another semi-alright, junkie singer. If you could all just stop talking about him like hes out to rape children nobody would care

scop · 09-07-2006 01:35PM

mr_angry wrote:

Personally, I thought the song he did for the show was atrociously bad. Awful guitar playing, no real tune, and constantly changing between two totally different melodies that didn't mix together well.

The song was not his greatest, true. Was a bit different though than whats out there, currently (not in general).

I didn't see most of the interview, but the bit I did see made him look like a deer caught in the headlights. Its like his manager told him "You're gonna sit in a chair and talk to Johnathan Ross for 10 minutes", and only when he got there did he realise that it was live TV and had a studio audience! To me, he just looked totally out of his depth, depressed, and not much of a talker. I'm not sure I've cringed as much since the infamous Morrissey interview on the same show.

Thats the pity of it all, he used to be witty and intelligent as **** in interviews.

In general, Pete Doherty has co-written 5 or 6 great songs. However, all of the other songs on the albums he's released have been utter shìte. He's very hit-and-miss to say the least. I don't know what to think of him as a person, but as a musician, he's pretty mediocre, and I would put a lot of his success down to the people he wrote with in the past, like Karl Barat. If he doesn't get his act together soon, I see him just sliding into oblivion.

Are you serious, he wrote most of Up the Bracket, half of The Libertines aswell. In fact it is his song-writing which marks him as a talented inidividual. The Babyshambles album song-writing was ****e though.

My point, he did have huge potential before the crack, in fact Up teh Bracket the song is a beautifully, and well executed song.

Smellyirishman · 09-07-2006 01:41PM

I held a lot of contempt for Pete, but after seeing him on the Ross show I hold a bit more sympathy for him although I still do not agree with things he has done. He seemed fairly in control of himself and witty on the show.

hoody · 09-07-2006 02:50PM

mr_angry wrote:

Personally, I thought the song he did for the show was atrociously bad. Awful guitar playing, no real tune, and constantly changing between two totally different melodies that didn't mix together well.

I didn't see most of the interview, but the bit I did see made him look like a deer caught in the headlights. Its like his manager told him "You're gonna sit in a chair and talk to Johnathan Ross for 10 minutes", and only when he got there did he realise that it was live TV and had a studio audience! To me, he just looked totally out of his depth, depressed, and not much of a talker. I'm not sure I've cringed as much since the infamous Morrissey interview on the same show.

In general, Pete Doherty has co-written 5 or 6 great songs. However, all of the other songs on the albums he's released have been utter shìte. He's very hit-and-miss to say the least. I don't know what to think of him as a person, but as a musician, he's pretty mediocre, and I would put a lot of his success down to the people he wrote with in the past, like Karl Barat. If he doesn't get his act together soon, I see him just sliding into oblivion.

I don't think the interview was as bad as all that - yes he was a bit quiet but the fella has been through a lot - most of it selfinflicted - and Ross really took the p*ss a bit too much. Would it have been so funny if he was laughing at John Frusciante's previous troubles with heroin? I think not.

As for the music, well it's a matter of personal taste too, but I do think that the song he sang certainly had a bit of heart to it, and also it can't be that easy to play alone when most of the audience knows a lot more about peteoherty, crack addict, rather than Pete Doherty, musician. The Libertines albums are great, the first is a classic, but its true that Barat and Doherty are stronger united than they are apart.

Personally, I admire the man for his music, and some of his poetry. Its hugely frustrating that he's an addicit, but I'm hopeful that he can recover, that he wants to recover, and that he will recover. He seems fully awawre of the predicament he's in too, so that's a start.

Robbo · 09-07-2006 03:17PM

I thought he did quite well on the Ross show. The song was a bit so-so but for the chat part he dealt quite well with it.

As for the usual "he doesn't deserve the attention" comments, why post about it then?

thebaz · 09-07-2006 03:23PM

Stephen wrote:

I don't understand why anyone stands up for the prick. He's just a media whore.

i don't understand why anyone likes Chris deBurgh or westlife , but everyone has different tastes , and we live in a free country , where we have freedom of choice . I like the Who, but i would think Pete Townsend is a more dangerous person than Doherty , based on his past actions.

RandomOne · 09-07-2006 03:34PM

nipplenuts wrote:

Clearly smacked out of his gourd. Why do the media in the UK persist in coddling this loser?

sioda wrote:

The Guy is an ape the fact that the english media keep advertising him disgusts me what sort of a role model is this dope. I mean if a normal person was caught with drugs as many times as he has they would be in the nick so why isn't he

I don't know where you get the idea the English media "advertise" him - he's a laughing stock in all aspects of English media.

Regarding jail, in the UK there is far more tendency to hand out conditional probation orders for addicts of any kind rather than jail term. i.e. attend anger management, addiction therapy etc. Get treatment or go to jail. The idea behind it being that beating an addiction is tough enough without wrecking someone's life by sending them to jail when they're not a danger to society. Ruining his (or any other addict's) career would give them more reason to do the drugs, not quit them. Knowing they're off to jail if they don't get clean is incentive for them to stick the treatment out.

Is it so different here?

Chakar · 09-07-2006 05:58PM

Well it was nice of him to give Jonathan Ross a present now.

jrey1981 · 09-07-2006 07:30PM

Chakar wrote:

Well it was nice of him to give Jonathan Ross a present now.

true, I thought that was a nice gesture.

Although I dont agree with everything he has done as regards drugs, I would tend to have a bit of sympathy for him more than anything.

Pete Doherty on Ross

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