Pete Doherty on Ross

Mr. Presentable

Clearly smacked out of his gourd. Why do the media in the UK persist in coddling this loser?

solskjaer20

He seems a real w****er.

Terry

talentless version of shane mcgowan.

humanji

nipplenuts wrote:

Clearly smacked out of his gourd. Why do the media in the UK persist in coddling this loser?

So that, like now, people will talk about the Jonathon Ross show! It's sad but it sells.

Terry

his teeth are fooked. one of the side effects of crack use.

Huggles

not a fan of him at all but he does seem more coherent than normal. I'd say his brain is fairly fcuked now tbh.

Ruu_Old

I guess Shane McGowan wasn't available then?

GBX

He actually looks a lot more sober than normal and the song he played went down well.

Huggles

GBX wrote:

He actually looks a lot more sober than normal and the song he played went down well.

yeah I agree!

Ballerina

i have to completely disagree with you all,im here with a load of mates and we all thought he was cool.
(ok everytime he reached in his pocket i was expecting to see a syringe(sp?)but i got over that)
he clearly has realised his mistakes and admitted that he needs to stay clean,i used to hate him because i never actually listened to him speak but he seems deadly!hes cute!!(ok we are all girls here.....
anyway i cant believe that you all thought he was a w*nker i thoguht he was brilliant and i now have loads of respect for him.

Ballerina

....mmm...ok didnt see all the posts before i posted...:rolleyes:

GBX

He has problems and is trying to address them. were all human. he is just heavely published in the british media and because of that he gets the flack he gets.

Dave!

Ballerina wrote:

i have to completely disagree with you all,im here with a load of mates and we all thought he was cool.
(ok everytime he reached in his pocket i was expecting to see a syringe(sp?)but i got over that)
he clearly has realised his mistakes and admitted that he needs to stay clean,i used to hate him because i never actually listened to him speak but he seems deadly!hes cute!!(ok we are all girls here.....
anyway i cant believe that you all thought he was a w*nker i thoguht he was brilliant and i now have loads of respect for him.

Troll?

Tha Gopher

I think Bo Selecta should do a send up

Seriously though, hes a twat. I first heard of the guy about 2 years ago, when his antics started first making the news.

I actually hadnt heard one single second of any of his music until about 2 months ago. His gig tickets cost something like £18 apparently Theres feckin pub trad rock in this country who can earn more than him playing the local.

radioman

jomanji wrote:

So that, like now, people will talk about the Jonathon Ross show! It's sad but it sells.

Funnily enough, as one of the top rated shows on the telly I don't think the Jonathan Ross show needs to sell itself to anyone

Pete Doherty does, he needs exposure to get fans to buy his stuff to pay for his smack

elvis2002

Ballerina wrote:

i thoguht he was brilliant and i now have loads of respect for him.

pfft, shows alot about yourself tbh if you think like that. He's scum of the earth.

projectmayhem

he came accross a lot better then i thought he would. out of his face, no doubt, but i was expecting something else altogether (note that i don't like that type of music and haven't really seen/heard much of him outside of the "scandals"). i cringed when he messed up the guitar bit at the start of the song so i had to switch over (me being a guitarist)

jrey1981

I didnt think he came across too badly, wasnt sure what to expect.

mad m

Well he had the sense not to start talking about Kate Moss.Thought the song was catchy.He is trying to get off drugs so he says and he was swigging a bottle of becks,I'd say he had more than one.

Terry

GBX wrote:

He has problems and is trying to address them. were all human. he is just heavely published in the british media and because of that he gets the flack he gets.

and nobody understands him and he is really a genius and none of you will see that until he dies and then you will all jump on the bandwagon and i was here first.

look, we've seen it all before.
jim morrison, janis joplin, the guy from the who, the gut from the stones, kurt cobain and several others. as you get older, you will realise that these people are only on this earth to entertain you. they serve no other purpose and their deaths , while tragic, are just the same as some local musician dying. it doesn't matter.

DaveMcG wrote:

Troll?

nah. just a misguided teenager with some angst.

xzanti

I thought the song was nice.. He does have a nice voice... But definately away with the fairies :rolleyes: Was the first time I ever saw him speaking though and there is something a bit child like about him... Smacked out of his head for sure...Kate what were you thinking?

Huggles

xzanti wrote:

Kate what were you thinking?

I don't think she was! There is no vomit smiley??? :eek:

Big Tone

He was better than I expected, he seemed a bit otherworldy with the doe eyes, the blue eyeshadow and that Bowiesque/Ziggy Stardust type lightning bolt painted across his moon shaped face but as Woss pointed out "at least you tuwned up for the show".

He was drinking Becks in the "Gween Woom" (as Woss says) and sang a very catchy new song of his called "Beg Steal and Borrow" which was actually quite a hard song for anyone to sing with all the key changes, and he played the guitar well too in fairness. Obviously he's a ghoul when it come to drugs but then again what would you expect from a guy who comes from an upper class backround and his father a major banker! A rebellious young man but not against todays society, more trying to be the anthesis/nemesis to his old mans pinstripe suit and bowler hat generation.

thebaz

don't understand why so many here hate Pete Doherty -- true Rock n Roll is abount bending the rules and being different -- and getting loaded --- from Keith Richard to Iggy Pop -- ShaneMcGowan to Sid Vicious -- if you don't like it tune in to James Blunt or Chris deBurgh -- who will in the main live by decent standards . Rock n Roll rocks thats the point ...

Terry

thebaz wrote:

don't understand why so many here hate Pete Doherty -- true Rock n Roll is abount bending the rules and being different -- and getting loaded --- from Keith Richard to Iggy Pop -- ShaneMcGowan to Sid Vicious -- if you don't like it tune in to James Blunt or Chris deBurgh -- who will in the main live by decent standards . Rock n Roll rocks thats the point ...

i thought it was about the music. more fool me.

thebaz

julep wrote:

i thought it was about the music. more fool me.

its more than music -- its attitude style etc ... i don't advocate or take class A's myself , but here and in society it is accepted as normal and cool to take coke (or for that matter get hammered drunk on alcohol), but if you take heroin you are labelled "junkie scum " -- IMO they are both bad and only hurt the user.

padi89

thebaz wrote:

don't understand why so many here hate Pete Doherty -- true Rock n Roll is abount bending the rules and being different

If he is trying to be different,why not be different with the music?.His lifestyle has be done many times before and at this point is just a "cliche", but possibly a whole new world for your average teen NME reader.

Terry

padi89 wrote:

If he is trying to be different,why not be different with the music?.His lifestyle has be done many times before and at this point is just a "cliche", but possibly a whole new world for your average teen NME reader.

indeed.
why would you want to see someone you supposedly admire crash and burn?
would it not be better if he was to clean up his act and keep making the music that you like, rather than dying at a young age?
or are you just waiting to cash in on that rare autographed cd on ebay?

Dave!

julep wrote:

look, we've seen it all before.
jim morrison, janis joplin, the guy from the who, the gut from the stones, kurt cobain and several others. as you get older, you will realise that these people are only on this earth to entertain you. they serve no other purpose and their deaths , while tragic, are just the same as some local musician dying. it doesn't matter.

Those dudes actually had talent though!

thebaz wrote:

don't understand why so many here hate Pete Doherty -- true Rock n Roll is abount bending the rules and being different -- and getting loaded --- from Keith Richard to Iggy Pop -- ShaneMcGowan to Sid Vicious -- if you don't like it tune in to James Blunt or Chris deBurgh -- who will in the main live by decent standards . Rock n Roll rocks thats the point ...

Getting wasted all the time is an ASPECT of the "rock n roll" lifestyle -- talent is generally another prerequisite. Pete Doherty has no talent. I don't know how he ended up on a record label, somebody musta been carryin him.

thebaz

DaveMcG wrote:

Getting wasted all the time is an ASPECT of the "rock n roll" lifestyle -- talent is generally another prerequisite. Pete Doherty has no talent. I don't know how he ended up on a record label, somebody musta been carryin him.

I disagree, i think Doherty has talent, in fact i would say he has possibly more talent than most of todays supposed Rock stars , though i do admit, as he did himself, that drugs have eroded that talent, "what a waste" . I don't like Chris deBurgh , but he must have some musical talent to get to where he has , i say this with gritted teeth.

sioda

The Guy is an ape the fact that the english media keep advertising him disgusts me what sort of a role model is this dope. I mean if a normal person was caught with drugs as many times as he has they would be in the nick so why isn't he

DOLEMAN

xzanti wrote:

Kate what were you thinking?

I don't know why I'm using doleman's account, but I was feeling lonely and felt he understood me.

hoody

I wonder was I watching the same show?

the pete doherty i saw certainly wasn't smacked off his head - some of his answers were quite witty, like when he was talking about how he often gets greeted on the street:
"Oh Pete,pete what are you going to do, oh Pete?"
"....Have an ice-cream?"

He made a lovely job of the song too, if there was no interview, and it was just the song, there would be no thread. Also I think Ross has a bit to answer for - he marched into every sensitive subject and repeatedly cut into Pete's answers, not something I'd've expected because Ross is probably my favourite chatshow host.

Then Pete's present to Ross was also quite endearing. Far more positives than negatives to be had from this interview if you're a Pete fan - if not, what do you care?

bennyx_o

Have to agree, from what I saw he wan't smacked off his head, but then I fell asleep.

Pigman II

nipplenuts wrote:

Pete Doherty on Ross

Only marginally less interesting than 'Pete Doherty on heroin'

LadyJ

I was surprised that he didn't actually seem too out of it tbh.

I mean,to me,it seemed that he wasn't actually on anything (except perhaps dope).
I mean,I think people are confusing the kind of withdrawn state of someone who is a recovering heroin addict,
with being smacked off your tits,tbh!

Ballerina

hoody wrote:

I wonder was I watching the same show?

the pete doherty i saw certainly wasn't smacked off his head - some of his answers were quite witty, like when he was talking about how he often gets greeted on the street:
"Oh Pete,pete what are you going to do, oh Pete?"
"....Have an ice-cream?"

He made a lovely job of the song too, if there was no interview, and it was just the song, there would be no thread. Also I think Ross has a bit to answer for - he marched into every sensitive subject and repeatedly cut into Pete's answers, not something I'd've expected because Ross is probably my favourite chatshow host.

Then Pete's present to Ross was also quite endearing. Far more positives than negatives to be had from this interview if you're a Pete fan - if not, what do you care?

totally agree

elvis2002 wrote:

pfft, shows alot about yourself tbh if you think like that. He's scum of the earth.

ill agree to disagree with you because im not very good at getting my point across

scop

I like Pete, a good antithesis to the pretty bland world most people think is nice, safe and comforting. Its an age where people worry about their rock stars doing drugs, I mean thats just hilarious.

Good song, usual doe-eyed, other-worldy look about him. He's hard to watch, train-wreck type, but that dosent make the guy evil, or a bad musician.

Tha Gopher

thebaz wrote:

don't understand why so many here hate Pete Doherty -- true Rock n Roll is abount bending the rules and being different -- and getting loaded --- from Keith Richard to Iggy Pop -- ShaneMcGowan to Sid Vicious --

But you have sort of anwsered your own question there. What does Sid Vicious, Shane McGowan, Shaun Ryder of the Mondays and Ol Dirty Bastard of the Wu Tang have in common? All had drug/alcohol problems. However, all were absoloutely legendary....well....mad kunts! They were characters.

Sid Vicious was death to interview because he took the piss so much, and repeatedtly swore and used the c word when it wasnt really the done thing to do on 1970s BBC live broadcasts

Shaun Ryder and the Mondays were pure Madchester. Off their rocker northern scallies. Ever see The Agony and the Ecstasy, a docu which followed Ryder around about 2 years ago. He offers spliffs to his 11 year old daughter and sets his own arm on fire with lighter fuel for a laugh.
Quote from the interview
Producer "In the old days did you ever perform without taking drugs?"
Shaun "Back in the old days I didnt watch Coronation Street without taking drugs" Legend

ODB- at the time of his death, had fathered roundabouts 13 children. Interrupted someone elses acceptance speech at the MTV Awards back in 95 or so by running on stage and declaring that Wu Tang "does it for the kids". Used his last ever interview to proclaim that the first thing he did when released from jail was pop a few E`s (which his lawyer, who was sitting in on the interview, kept advising him wasnt the wisest thing to say lest the parole officers be reading. ODB didnt give a sh1te and continued on).


And now Doherty. The craziest thing he did was inject heroin into an unconscious female fan. In terms of comedy its not exactly up with the time Bez and Shaun Ryder were arrested for molesting a horse in Dublin.

thebaz

sioda wrote:

The Guy is an ape the fact that the english media keep advertising him disgusts me what sort of a role model is this dope. I mean if a normal person was caught with drugs as many times as he has they would be in the nick so why isn't he

The English media, apart from music press, despise him and potray him as Public enemy No 1. He is a talented musician with a drug problem, hardly original as others have said , but its not as if he selling heroin or coke , or into child pornography. There are far more nasty , twisted , corrupt, sick individuals than Pete Doherty -- give him a break in his quest to get clean -- he has something -- the gorgeos Kate M.

padi89

scop wrote:

Its an age where people worry about their rock stars doing drugs, I mean thats just hilarious.

Maybe his family,friends? and groupies worry about him but im sure nobody here really gives a feck about his drug problem.
The fact that he milks the media as much as they milk him he certainly doesnt do himself any favours,he is as bad as Paris Hilton at this stage.
The guy has serious "potential" talent but at the moment and for a long time has been buried under a mass of junk,i cannot fathom how anyone with the way he is now can admire him,pay to see him or buy his records.

thebaz

padi89 wrote:

The guy has serious "potential" talent but at the moment and for a long time has been buried under a mass of junk,i cannot fathom how anyone with the way he is now can admire him,pay to see him or buy his records.

I am not advocating heroin usage, but sometimes when you are in the gutter on junk, great artistic things can happen exile on main street, the velvet underground, iggy and the stooges , john coltrane, miles davis -- pete doherty and the libertines have not reached these heights but many bands still see the alure of junk from , nirvana to doherty , from primal scream to spaceman 3. But then you those photos of the young irish girl in the irish indo last week , and you see what the reality of real heroin addiction is for the average user.

mr_angry

Personally, I thought the song he did for the show was atrociously bad. Awful guitar playing, no real tune, and constantly changing between two totally different melodies that didn't mix together well.

I didn't see most of the interview, but the bit I did see made him look like a deer caught in the headlights. Its like his manager told him "You're gonna sit in a chair and talk to Johnathan Ross for 10 minutes", and only when he got there did he realise that it was live TV and had a studio audience! To me, he just looked totally out of his depth, depressed, and not much of a talker. I'm not sure I've cringed as much since the infamous Morrissey interview on the same show.

In general, Pete Doherty has co-written 5 or 6 great songs. However, all of the other songs on the albums he's released have been utter shìte. He's very hit-and-miss to say the least. I don't know what to think of him as a person, but as a musician, he's pretty mediocre, and I would put a lot of his success down to the people he wrote with in the past, like Karl Barat. If he doesn't get his act together soon, I see him just sliding into oblivion.

Dave!

mr_angry wrote:

I'm not sure I've cringed as much since the infamous Morrissey interview on the same show.

You got a link to that by any chance? I searched on YouTube, but there was only an introduction thing... You have me curious now, lol

mr_angry

The only thing I could find was a similar interview with Jools Holland. Its safe to say that Morrissey has a somewhat unique interview style...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__7X4OxGgJ0&search=Morrissey

Stephen

thebaz wrote:

don't understand why so many here hate Pete Doherty

I don't understand why anyone stands up for the prick. He's just a media whore.

scop

Stephen wrote:

I don't understand why anyone stands up for the prick. He's just a media whore.

Because he is not the divil! Hes another semi-alright, junkie singer. If you could all just stop talking about him like hes out to rape children nobody would care

scop

mr_angry wrote:

Personally, I thought the song he did for the show was atrociously bad. Awful guitar playing, no real tune, and constantly changing between two totally different melodies that didn't mix together well.

The song was not his greatest, true. Was a bit different though than whats out there, currently (not in general).

I didn't see most of the interview, but the bit I did see made him look like a deer caught in the headlights. Its like his manager told him "You're gonna sit in a chair and talk to Johnathan Ross for 10 minutes", and only when he got there did he realise that it was live TV and had a studio audience! To me, he just looked totally out of his depth, depressed, and not much of a talker. I'm not sure I've cringed as much since the infamous Morrissey interview on the same show.

Thats the pity of it all, he used to be witty and intelligent as **** in interviews.

In general, Pete Doherty has co-written 5 or 6 great songs. However, all of the other songs on the albums he's released have been utter shìte. He's very hit-and-miss to say the least. I don't know what to think of him as a person, but as a musician, he's pretty mediocre, and I would put a lot of his success down to the people he wrote with in the past, like Karl Barat. If he doesn't get his act together soon, I see him just sliding into oblivion.

Are you serious, he wrote most of Up the Bracket, half of The Libertines aswell. In fact it is his song-writing which marks him as a talented inidividual. The Babyshambles album song-writing was ****e though.

My point, he did have huge potential before the crack, in fact Up teh Bracket the song is a beautifully, and well executed song.

Smellyirishman

I held a lot of contempt for Pete, but after seeing him on the Ross show I hold a bit more sympathy for him although I still do not agree with things he has done. He seemed fairly in control of himself and witty on the show.

hoody

mr_angry wrote:

Personally, I thought the song he did for the show was atrociously bad. Awful guitar playing, no real tune, and constantly changing between two totally different melodies that didn't mix together well.

I didn't see most of the interview, but the bit I did see made him look like a deer caught in the headlights. Its like his manager told him "You're gonna sit in a chair and talk to Johnathan Ross for 10 minutes", and only when he got there did he realise that it was live TV and had a studio audience! To me, he just looked totally out of his depth, depressed, and not much of a talker. I'm not sure I've cringed as much since the infamous Morrissey interview on the same show.

In general, Pete Doherty has co-written 5 or 6 great songs. However, all of the other songs on the albums he's released have been utter shìte. He's very hit-and-miss to say the least. I don't know what to think of him as a person, but as a musician, he's pretty mediocre, and I would put a lot of his success down to the people he wrote with in the past, like Karl Barat. If he doesn't get his act together soon, I see him just sliding into oblivion.

I don't think the interview was as bad as all that - yes he was a bit quiet but the fella has been through a lot - most of it selfinflicted - and Ross really took the p*ss a bit too much. Would it have been so funny if he was laughing at John Frusciante's previous troubles with heroin? I think not.

As for the music, well it's a matter of personal taste too, but I do think that the song he sang certainly had a bit of heart to it, and also it can't be that easy to play alone when most of the audience knows a lot more about peteoherty, crack addict, rather than Pete Doherty, musician. The Libertines albums are great, the first is a classic, but its true that Barat and Doherty are stronger united than they are apart.

Personally, I admire the man for his music, and some of his poetry. Its hugely frustrating that he's an addicit, but I'm hopeful that he can recover, that he wants to recover, and that he will recover. He seems fully awawre of the predicament he's in too, so that's a start.

Robbo

I thought he did quite well on the Ross show. The song was a bit so-so but for the chat part he dealt quite well with it.

As for the usual "he doesn't deserve the attention" comments, why post about it then?