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Lost faith in the Gardai (again)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭rondeco


    You'll actually find that when you call to complain about a noisy party, you will be told that the best that they can do is ask them to turn down the volume. If they refuse, nothing will be done. The busier stations will more than likely not send any one to these calls as it is a waste of resources.

    In order for someone to be prosecuted for noise pollution, it must be a recurring or regular event. Actually, here it is for you made easy. I haven't read it all but tell me where it says 'call the guards'.

    Noise Pollution
    This page outlines the steps open to you under the law where you are experiencing nuisance caused by noise. It is intended as a practical guide and is not a legal interpretation of the law. Noise pollution is administered by Louth County Council for the County including Drogheda and Dundalk.

    Has the procedure for dealing with complaints about noise been simplified?
    Yes, The Minister for Environment Protection made Regulations in July 1994 to make it easier to bring complaints about noise to the District Court.

    Are exceptions made for any types of noise?
    Yes, Complaints about aircraft noise are specifically excepted and such complaints should be directed to the airport authority in question or to the Department of Transport, Energy and Communications.

    When can I take legal action to deal with noise as a nuisance?
    Whenever you consider a noise to be so loud, so continuous, so repeated, of such duration or pitch or occurring at such times that it gives you reasonable cause for annoyance you can initiate action to deal with it.

    What action can I take?
    Initially, it may be sufficient to explain to whomever is causing the noise that it is a nuisance and so come to some mutually acceptable understanding.

    Where, for whatever reason, such an approach is not successful you can consider exercising your right to complain to the District Court to seek an Order to deal with the nuisance.

    Will the District Court solve my problem?
    The task of the District Court is to hear both sides of the case. Where it finds in your favour it can order the person or body making the noise to reduce it to a specific level, to limit it, e.g. to specified times, or to stop it altogether.

    Are there any legal conditions which I need to take into consideration before I decide to complain to the District Court?
    Yes, the legislation specifies certain conditions that amount to a good defence in Court for the person allegedly causing the nuisance.

    What are the "good defence" conditions?
    The person concerned may prove

    that he/she took all reasonable care to prevent or limit the noise by using facilities, practices and methods of operation that are suitable for that purpose, or
    that the noise is in accordance with a licence issued under the Environmental Protection Agency Act or with Regulations made by the Minister under the Act.

    Must the Court Order be complied with?
    Yes, the person (or body) concerned must comply with the Court Order.

    How do I complain to the District Court?
    consult with the Clerk of your local District Court about an appointment for the hearing of your case. This appointment must e at least seven days later than the date on which you inform the person responsible for the noise nuisance that you will be taking your case to the Court.
    once a time has been set for your Court hearing you must inform the person concerned that you will be making a complaint to the Court.
    You must use a particular form of notice in informing the person concerned. This has been specified in the Regulations and can be downloaded below. It is important that you use this form of notice only and that you complete it fully and accurately. You will see from the specimen notice that the date of your complaint to the Court must be at least 7 days after the date of the notice.
    You attend Court at the arranged time and present your complaint.
    Once you have decided to take your case to the Court there are a number of steps which you must follow

    Must I consult a solicitor if I wish to complain to the Court?
    No, nor is there a requirement to be represented in Court by one. However, if you wish, you may engage a solicitor to prepare the complaint and/or to present it in Court.

    Has the Environmental Protection Agency a role in dealing with noise problems?
    Yes, the Agency has the same powers as an individual to complain about noise nuisance to the District Court. In addition, in the case of an activity for which a licence is required under the Environmental Protection Agency Act, the Agency can require the taking of specified measures to prevent or limit the noise. The person (or body) required to take such measures must do so or face prosecution. Alternatively, the Agency may take the remedial measures itself and recover the cost from the person in charge of the source of the noise.

    Has my local authority a role in dealing with noise problems?
    Yes. Local Authorities have the same powers as individuals to complain about noise problems to the District Court. In addition, they have similar powers to the Environmental Protection Agency in relation to premises, processes and works other than those which require licences under the Environmental Protection Agency Act.

    Can I approach the Environmental Protection Agency or my Local Authority about noise problems?
    Yes. The Environmental Protection Agency has power to require measures to be taken to prevent or limit noise from activities which are licensable by the Agency. In other cases local authorities have similar powers. A citizen may request the Agency or the Local Authority, as the case may be, to exercise its power in relation to noise causing a nuisance.

    What are the penalties for a breach of the law?
    A fine of up to €1270 or imprisonment for up to 12 months or both.

    Are there specified noise standards, such as maximum levels in certain locations?
    Not at present but the necessary work to do so is under way. Priority will be given to standards for residential, commercial and industrial areas, schools and hospitals.

    Environmental Protection Agency Act, 1992


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    so you admit that police do come out to parties on regular basis and ask for the noise to be reduced.

    wheres is the step in between having a word yourself and going to the district court, where is that step at 2 o'clock in the morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭rondeco


    so you admit that police do come out to parties on regular basis and ask for the noise to be reduced.

    wheres is the step in between having a word yourself and going to the district court, where is that step at 2 o'clock in the morning.


    you really are a wum. Check e-bay for the 'magic noise reduction wand.' Its meant to work best after dark.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Bamboozled


    rondeco gave all the info above that I was told find by the Gardai.

    I believe the Gardai used come out at night to parties, usually when it was a long standing member of the community that has made the complaint. (21 years should do though Goon! - any chance a parent might do it next time?)

    Because of getting busier and busier I believe that they will now only come out if there is a threat of physical harm (which they should have come out to your neighbours).

    Check to see if the property is registered on the PTRB site and get the landlords contact details.

    Other than that, its the District Court.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,408 ✭✭✭Huggles


    krazy_8s wrote:
    Best peice of advice on this thread, then wait for a politicion to jump on the idea and your neibhours will be un-able to have any partys for love nor money.

    Good advice yes, but as I said it was early morning and I was pissed off and to film it I'd have had to stand there with my mobile in Mr. Uber Threatenings face, not something I wanted to do.

    Earlier today there was a bit of a row between them and their immediate next door neighbour who have a 6 month old baby. Apparently they said that they can do what they like as the pay rent ect. The neighbour got the landlord details and bollocked him out of it. I got details too and will be doing the same!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭lodgepole


    so you admit that police do come out to parties on regular basis and ask for the noise to be reduced.

    wheres is the step in between having a word yourself and going to the district court, where is that step at 2 o'clock in the morning.
    There is none, that is the point. Maybe there should be, but there isn't and until then there isn't a thing the police can do about it. It's not their fault that they haven't got the power to do what you want them to do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Bamboozled


    Since you have already approached the party involved in the party ( :D ) to take it further you would have to go to your local authority.

    As there was a threat against physical harm, the Gardai should have at least have taken you seriously.

    Talk to the landlord as you now have contact details.

    If nothing is done and there are other parties, see here for what to do.

    http://www.oasis.gov.ie/environment/noise_regulations.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭eamoss


    The Gardai r a joke. Few months ago me & one of my mates (both 18 & dont look like scumbags more spice boyish type of style) were talking outside a house and they pulled up asked us what we were doin & told us to go home. Now the estate is a private mostly old people and we werent making any noise & we where standing there about 5mins. I taught it was a bit ironic that my mates father was the superintend of that area up until last year wer he was promoted to chief superintend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭JP Mulvano


    You could always kill the power to their place from the circuit breaker?

    Unfotunately only really works in an apartment block. I always find the lack of electricity soon puts a dampener on things.

    If it continues why not pull their NTL, phone and gas as well. Back to the dark ages with you inconsiderate twats!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Bamboozled


    JP Mulvano wrote:
    Unfotunately only really works in an apartment block. I always find the lack of electricity soon puts a dampener on things
    Depending on how old the house is the box could be inside. But if its a newer house, gas and ESB are outside :D

    Not a bad idea though ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,408 ✭✭✭Huggles


    Good idea but the boxes are inside LOL Knowing my luck I would only blow myself up too!

    Just out of interest, is it illegal to run a business from a house without being registered etc? I am pretty sure they are 'catering' I say catering but I actually think its some way more sinister though.

    One of them is always going back and forth to the airport and going home I assume, they all congregate when she gets back and they all head out of the houses with packages soon after!!!!

    i know what I'd love it to be but its probably legit :mad:


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