Members of the travelling community calling to the door

Katykaboom · 20-04-2006 12:42PM

I never really have to deal with tis for some reason, I think its because I live in the inner city, Anyways, I went to school with travellers, some of them nice some of them not.

My Dad worked with them years, and he said the same thing, a lot of them are decent people and the rest are scum, just like any other community in the country.

One thing I always remebered about school is this fella I think he was in the year below me, big thick loud accent on him, tiny little scrawny fella always immaculetly (?) presented, always stuck out in a crowd, little charmer, lots of settled girls fancied him aswell, so anyway was on the bus coming home from school and he was sitting infornt of me, I got off went home and then went into town later that day. To my astonishment there was the boy sitting on henry street under a filthy blanket, filthy face and no shoes on begging for money. WTF. I still see him every now and agin begging.

padi89 · 20-04-2006 01:45PM

I would say also that there are the good and bad element in the travelling community but its the same as in all communities.You just have to be wary and use your own judgement to pick out the shady characters.Personally i have had 10 times the amount of bad experiences with skangers than travellers,but there is another thread for that.

Hobbes · 20-04-2006 02:14PM

Nermal wrote:

um... because the knackers initiate it?

Ahh ok so if they don't initiate it then its ok for them? :rolleyes:

trotter wrote:

I see your point.. but with the frustration that the authorities do nothing to help the people they are harming, what do you suggest people do?

If you ignore them, they do some terrible things to property. Its not the case with 100% of the travelling community but there is a massive percentage of travelling people who feel it is ok to feed off the settled people and have zero respect for us or our property.

Ahh finally someone with a bit of sense whos argument doesn't revolve around calling me names.

Ok first up there was a huge thread on travellers before here. It got moved to humanities forum and locked shortly afterwards, loads of people banned from that forum and rule put in place for some months not to open threads on the subject.

This is kind of how heated it gets. Which is why I am not being overly active in this thread. What has been bandied around before as gospel a lot of it has been debunked. Check the thread, numerous links to various traveller related information.

For example to a traveller, "traveller community" refers to a linage of people, not to "someone in a caravan". There are numerous travellers living in houses (and normal jobs) and of those who still live in caravans a low percentage actually move around (seasonal) and an even lower percentage actually are illegally halting.

Of course there are touble makers, and from what I read researching on the last thread the travelling community of a whole aren't overly impressed with this minority either.

However come running onto a halting site threatening everyone there with violence hardly helps anyone. I mean how would feel that someone firebombed your house because another person four doors down ripped them off?

That is what we are equating here and it just amazes me that people go on about how terrible travellers on and then go on to condone murdering, attacking or setting travellers homes on fire or into rivers (see other thread).

Katykaboom wrote:

To my astonishment there was the boy sitting on henry street under a filthy blanket, filthy face and no shoes on begging for money. WTF. I still see him every now and agin begging.

This is a common scam going on for years. Back when I was a kid there was a guy in Finglas actually paying local kids to do it.

BLITZ_Molloy · 20-04-2006 02:17PM

My brother gave them money when they called a few times. Stopped, then they stole our bicycle and hedgecutter out of the garage.

Just tell them sorry and close the door nowadays. Can't give them an inch or they'll **** you over.

Went to school with a few of them that were sound. But they didn't go around peoples houses nicking ****.

Nightwish · 20-04-2006 04:33PM

I just had three of them at my door on Tuesday afternoon. There were 2 kids and an older guy in his 20's walking down the street, nosying around peoples houses. I was getting suspicious of them cos I live in a cul de sac at the back of an estate. One of them spotted my mothers new caravan in our driveway and they called to the door. The older guy asked me if my parents were home and I said no, so they said they'd be back later. We moved the caravan to my relatives out the country that evening.

20-04-2006 04:40PM

My house is built on the bank of a river, there is a common ground just beside our land. We tend to get alot of the travelling community coming over on to our land when swimming. It's not too bad though. They wont do anything. My mam knows most of 'em, and their mothers, so if they do anything, they'd get an earful from their mammies :P

Tar.Aldarion · 20-04-2006 04:42PM

Never had any trouble with em apart from in secondary school, where there was more knackers than people.

chamlis · 20-04-2006 05:12PM

nice

Nermal · 21-04-2006 11:16AM

Hobbes wrote:

Ahh ok so if they don't initiate it then its ok for them? :rolleyes:

initiating violence or threatening behaviour is obviously worse than responding in kind, it's facile to equate them. in this thread we only seem to have examples of travellers doing the former.

Hobbes · 21-04-2006 11:30AM

Nermal wrote:

we only seem to have examples of travellers doing the former.

My point was regardless of who initiated it taking the law into your own hands is not the way to go. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably doesn't belong in society.

Ciaran500 · 21-04-2006 11:51AM

Hobbes wrote:

My point was regardless of who initiated it taking the law into your own hands is not the way to go. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably doesn't belong in society.

So what should we do, as has been mentioned in this thread a few times the police want nothing to do with them.

Archytas · 21-04-2006 11:51AM

Hobbes wrote:

My point was regardless of who initiated it taking the law into your own hands is not the way to go. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably doesn't belong in society.

I read your posts with an open mind cos I believe that you should be allowed your voice and maybe you havn't seen everything.... but the above statement is wrong. And I could point out a million and one examples where this is wrong. For example anywhere where the same values of the law aren't the same as our own. All the genocide cases and various acts like it where it is done by the "lawmakers" of their society. Slavery in the US, ethnic cleansing in Eastern Europe, Religious fighting in Africa. Are people just supposed to sit there and take it???

Usually your posts are well thought out. The above one was just plain stupid. We're a republic becuase of some men taking the law into their own hands. I have lots of respect for the law. More than most in fact, but if it came to it I would have no problem taking the law into my own hands, if there was no other course of action. And not you or anyone else can tell me I do not belong in society.

muffler · 21-04-2006 12:42PM

Well said Archytas

Hobbes · 21-04-2006 12:58PM

Archytas wrote:

We're a republic becuase of some men taking the law into their own hands.

Oh please. Totally different.

So you are saying that if someone mugs you or cheats you out of something that you are allowed to go around to a general area where that person may live and firebomb thier house? Or threaten to shoot someone because you refuse to pay for something they have done in relations of services for you?

These are the kinds of examples thrown around as if doing this makes you the hero.

You follow the law. If the law doesn't work then you check through legal methods to ensure that if it is not enough then something is done about it. Do you know who your TD for the area is? Do you know when thier forum is open? Do you have a local community group? Do you have a lawyer? Do you know who your local Gardai are? Do you actually contribute to the community instead of pissing and whining and claiming that its justifible to hurt, maim or be prejudiced against people who may not even be involved in what you are upset about.

Claiming that taking back the nation is equal to this.. well its the stupidist justification I have heard to date.

Archytas · 21-04-2006 03:08PM

Hobbes wrote:

Oh please. Totally different.

So you are saying that if someone mugs you or cheats you out of something that you are allowed to go around to a general area where that person may live and firebomb thier house? Or threaten to shoot someone because you refuse to pay for something they have done in relations of services for you?

No I did not say that.... At all? Did you actually read the post. I was merely pointing out that your statement was rash and unthinking.

Hobbes wrote:

Claiming that taking back the nation is equal to this.. well its the stupidist justification I have heard to date.

What are you talking about? Justification for what? I was pointing out the various situations where your statement was wrong.

Hobbes wrote:

Do you actually contribute to the community instead of pissing and whining and claiming that its justifible to hurt, maim or be prejudiced against people who may not even be involved in what you are upset about.

Is this aimed at me? And again where and when did I say that?

mikemac · 21-04-2006 09:39PM

Archytas wrote:

For example anywhere where the same values of the law aren't the same as our own. All the genocide cases and various acts like it where it is done by the "lawmakers" of their society. Slavery in the US, ethnic cleansing in Eastern Europe, Religious fighting in Africa. Are people just supposed to sit there and take it???

Again, well said!Good point

Hobbes · 21-04-2006 10:02PM

Archytas wrote:

No I did not say that.... At all? Did you actually read the post. I was merely pointing out that your statement was rash and unthinking.

That is what others have equated on this thread as being OK for violence against travellers.

Giving excuse that this is valid because of Irish troubles is total BS.

there may be instances where my comment may not be correct but in relation to this thread it isn't.

muffler · 21-04-2006 10:14PM

Hobbes wrote:

there may be instances where my comment may not be correct but in relation to this thread it isn't.

You said it

LegacyUser · 22-04-2006 02:54AM

Filthy knackers/Travellers/Gypsies. I ****ing hate them.

iguana · 22-04-2006 03:41PM

Hobbes wrote:

So you are saying that if someone mugs you or cheats you out of something that you are allowed to go around to a general area where that person may live and firebomb thier house?

No, but if someone tries to mug me I'd feel perfectly entitled to hit/kick them to get them away from me. And if I broke their nose or ankle in the process I'd feel perfectly justified.

Who ever said anything about firebombing somebody's house? You maybe need to get a grip?

Dudess · 22-04-2006 04:32PM

Look, anyone who thinks that ALL travellers are violent, dangerous, thieving low-lives is a ****ing idiot. I have worked in housing and some of the nicest, most decent people I have met through this experience are travellers. However, there does seem to be a culture of crime and violence within a large element of the travelling community. Obviously poverty, illiteracy, underage parenthood and a general sense of being marginalised by settled society are all factors and there's obviously a nurture v nature thing going on. Kids learn such behaviour and it's a vicious circle. But those travellers who do behave despicably shouldn't be treated as victims because of their misfortune. I feel sorry for decent members of the travelling community who are given a bad name by these thugs, but instead of them moaning about how badly they're treated, they should maybe consider tackling those members of their community who are tainting their good name.

billy the squid · 22-04-2006 05:56PM

We're a republic becuase of some men taking the law into their own hands.

This is incorrect. We are a republic because the legislature whote the Republic of Ireland Act in 1948-9. A course of action which they were perfectly entitled to do after they were given the power to do so by the Council of the British Commonwealth. This is not taking the law into your own hands, this is acting within the law to reach your goals.[/quote]

I have lots of respect for the law. More than most in fact, but if it came to it I would have no problem taking the law into my own hands, if there was no other course of action. And not you or anyone else can tell me I do not belong in society.

Anyone who wishes to act outside the law belongs in prison, not in society. Self-defence would be acceptable, however pre-emptively going after someone or going after someone yourself simply out of vengience is outside the law.

billy the squid · 22-04-2006 05:59PM

cheesedude wrote:

Filthy knackers/Travellers/Gypsies. I ****ing hate them.

As per the request in the sticky at the top of AH forum, heres notice that this post has been reported.

padi89 · 22-04-2006 06:20PM

cheesedude wrote:

Filthy knackers/Travellers/Gypsies. I ****ing hate them.

Great post ,really shows your intelligence!

JimmySmith · 22-04-2006 06:44PM

There are 3 caravans parked down the road from us for the last year and a bit. The travellers are always going around the houses peeking in windows in broad daylight and at night.
Last year one of the neighbours photographed 2 of the travellers walking out of another neighbours house with his belongings.
Case closed you would think.
The photo was given to the gards and the victim calmed down so he wouldnt attack the travellers.
Nothing has happened to the travellers at all. I have a friend in the gards and he tells me nothing will.
But get this. The victim of the robbery got mighty pissed off last month when one of the guys in the photo called to his house looking for water and screamed blue murder at him.
That evening he's (the victim of the robbery) hauled down the station and told that he better be careful or else there will be action taken against him.
Read into that what you will, but IMHO there are double standards here.

LegacyUser · 22-04-2006 06:58PM

padi89 wrote:

Great post ,really shows your intelligence!

Don't believe it does. Just really ****ing despise the filthy ones I have seen.

padi89 · 22-04-2006 07:33PM

cheesedude wrote:

Don't believe it does. Just really ****ing despise the filthy ones I have seen.

Lovely thats a great attitude to have.I dont like the look of you so i "Fvcking despise you".

darkman2 · 22-04-2006 07:44PM

Look a knacker's a knacker, end of story. Now enough P.C Bull. I think most Irish ppl know what these ppl are.

padi89 · 22-04-2006 07:50PM

darkman2 wrote:

Look a knacker's a knacker, end of story. Now enough P.C Bull. I think most Irish ppl know what these ppl are.

Im not trying to be PC at all i couldnt give a fvck.I just think having that type of attitude, he isnt far off of his own idea of what a knacker is like anyway!

billy the squid · 22-04-2006 08:34PM

darkman2 wrote:

Look a knacker's a knacker, end of story. Now enough P.C Bull. I think most Irish ppl know what these ppl are.

But this thread is about travellers, the thread about knackers is somewhere else in afterhours.

Members of the travelling community calling to the door

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