Do you think that American TV and Movies has changed us?

R-KEANE · 27-03-2006 08:23PM

Trilla wrote:

yep - if the guy beside me here says dude one more time i'll crack!!

oh yeah, a friend of mine says 'duder' whats that about?

Fast_Mover · 27-03-2006 08:30PM

ya i always would have said mala too..!!
only heard marla for the first time about 2weeks ago when i was teaching and another student teacher asked me if i had some 'marla' to spare..

Ruu_Old · 27-03-2006 08:31PM

R-KEANE wrote:

oh yeah, a friend of mine says 'duder' whats that about?

That was the "dell dudes" fault, burn the fecker!

SteveS · 27-03-2006 09:01PM

Ciaran500 wrote:

We're all getting more materialistic, more commercial and our kids are trying to act older. It must be America's fault :rolleyes:

In all fairness, people over here complain about all these shows too. It's not like Dawson's Creek, Sex in the City, or the "OC" are representative of how most people live (or want to live).

R-KEANE · 27-03-2006 09:23PM

SteveS wrote:

In all fairness, people over here complain about all these shows too. It's not like Dawson's Creek, Sex in the City, or the "OC" are representative of how most people live (or want to live).

but they are, they are just false. However, Irish kids like, whether they like what they see or not, feel its the right way to act. Peer pressure comes into it.

dundalk cailin · 27-03-2006 09:49PM

yep think that we are becoming more americanised..
my french friends say i proclaim 'Omigod' so often!

daveirl · 27-03-2006 10:09PM

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blu_sonic · 27-03-2006 10:12PM

we need the skangers to show us the light, howrya, storeee bud, cmere etc.

blu_sonic · 27-03-2006 10:14PM

daveirl wrote:

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what do you mean i support a dublin club over 100 years old? older than most GAA teams! i never stated i was for or against this culture. if you spent time reading my post you'll see i said i like using starbucks, i think there is pros and cons to it really

Wertz · 27-03-2006 10:15PM

SteveS wrote:

In all fairness, people over here complain about all these shows too. It's not like Dawson's Creek, Sex in the City, or the "OC" are representative of how most people live (or want to live).

The difference is that most yanks know this isn't how it really is, just like how we know when we watch Into the West.

I had my eyes opened when I actually went to the US...before that I really only had exported culture (read Hollywood and 80's TV) and a small number of Americans I'd met over here to guage it all on.

That said, our accent has definitely been highly influenced, especially below a certain age, where people were exposed to a plethora of US influence through various satellite TV channels, the Hollywood thing and lately the 'net.

We're definitely in 51st state territory....we had Maccy D's here, what, 20 yrs ago? Lately though we have multiplex cinemas...sorry, movie theatres

, so many more aspirations like the big house, the big car, etc , which in turn is made possible by the celtic tiger, itself partky due to the influence of american multinational companies on the economy. maybe I'm generalising a little, but all those little things are combining to make a bigger picture.

FFS didn't I see an ad for TGI ****ing Fridays opening some place in Dublin?
Only a matter of time before we have IHOP and whoever else....fair enough, that's globalisation for you, and it's not necessarily a bad thing, but our culture is definitely the worse off for it.
As someone said above, we're the ones who make the choices on what we watch, but kids plonked on fronty of a TV that's on all day,m from an early age, are going to emanate what they see on there, and it's only going to increase.

I'm in no way anti-american, but you have to admit that we're a small country influenced by a huge one who we share some common bonds with...even down to our currnt immigration levels.

constitutionus · 28-03-2006 12:33AM

you know i actually think its the reverse. as some have mentioned earlier what we see from the US generally only covers LA and New york. and yes we have absorbed the coloquilisims but the majority of irish dialogue is inpenetrable to the yanks, and the vast majority of em culturally live a totally different life to us.
take sex. i have to laugh when people call ireland sexually repressive, have you seen what the yanks do in terms of their dating scene, its positively puritanical:eek: i mean theres a reason why they all think european women are gagging for it. those poor bastards cant get a beer till theyre 21 let alone feel a girl up till theyve met the parents:) .in a weird way we're already what they want to be. a country where you can get laid when you want and locked out of your head every week without some bible thumper telling you your going to hell.
this probably explains why irish people do so well over there, i mean hell they think colin farrell is some kinda ollie reed reborn when fact is he drinks as much as your ordinary lad down the local, they actually think hes a rebel rouser !. i deal with tourists alot myself and you can see the culture shock on their faces, and you'd be amazed how many of em still say "sir" and "ma'am". i cant think of any other english speaking nation that still does that

so no, i dont think american media has changed us. in fact i think were slowly changing them, just look what carol coleman did to bush. poor bugger hasnt been questioned like that in his life:D

metrovelvet · 28-03-2006 02:15AM

consitutionus

That is seriously deluded. Are you shrooming?

Lirange · 28-03-2006 02:44AM

Ireland is influenced at least as much by Britain... if not arguably moreso in some respects ... partly because of proximity. So we rue the corrosive effects of Americanisation while we shop in Tesco's and watch Brit fare on BBC and Sky networks.

Every generation has accused the next of being too materialistic. That refrain is as old as dirt.

Mossy Monk · 28-03-2006 02:46AM

Wertz wrote:

FFS didn't I see an ad for TGI ****ing Fridays opening some place in Dublin?

hardly a new thing. there is one in Blanchardstown with ages

monkeyfudge · 28-03-2006 03:02AM

Mossy Monk wrote:

hardly a new thing. there is one in Blanchardstown with ages

And one at St. Stephens Green for about 5 years now too.

28-03-2006 11:47AM

The one thing I always disliked about America is the fact that there's shag all variety there. Walking down a street you'd pass 4 Starbucks, 3 TGIF's, and god knows what else.

I hope Ireland wont become that way. I love being able to walk into coffee shops and sitting down without some fat eejit asking for a "skinny lowfat cappuchino extra lime hold the lard double espresso".

As for American TV, it is actually effecting us I believe. Moreso the younger generation. I presume that when alot of us were growing up, we didn't have satelite TV, so most of the shows we got were either English or Irish shows. The one thing i hate to see is young people, especially girls, thinking its "cool" to act stupid. I think this stems from American tv.

Furry Burger · 28-03-2006 12:10PM

constitutionus wrote:

you know i actually think its the reverse. as some have mentioned earlier what we see from the US generally only covers LA and New york. and yes we have absorbed the coloquilisims but the majority of irish dialogue is inpenetrable to the yanks, and the vast majority of em culturally live a totally different life to us.
take sex. i have to laugh when people call ireland sexually repressive, have you seen what the yanks do in terms of their dating scene, its positively puritanical:eek: i mean theres a reason why they all think european women are gagging for it. those poor bastards cant get a beer till theyre 21 let alone feel a girl up till theyve met the parents:) .in a weird way we're already what they want to be. a country where you can get laid when you want and locked out of your head every week without some bible thumper telling you your going to hell.
this probably explains why irish people do so well over there, i mean hell they think colin farrell is some kinda ollie reed reborn when fact is he drinks as much as your ordinary lad down the local, they actually think hes a rebel rouser !. i deal with tourists alot myself and you can see the culture shock on their faces, and you'd be amazed how many of em still say "sir" and "ma'am". i cant think of any other english speaking nation that still does that

so no, i dont think american media has changed us. in fact i think were slowly changing them, just look what carol coleman did to bush. poor bugger hasnt been questioned like that in his life:D

I agree with this dude, dont form your opinions of americans on TV shows and flims the vast majority of which are city major city based...if you go to the bible belt in the mid west things are very different. The only way you will see serious violence or even a t!t on TV over there is on cable, HBO especially.
I would consider americans to be very conservative as a nation, I mean look at the all the jive clinton created with a crafty blow job...they spent ten times more investigating that then they did investigating 9/11.
All you gotta do is drive through any town in the mid west and see the size of their churchs...massive, they are the centre of most communities.

MorningStar · 28-03-2006 12:11PM

Yes they have effected us.
Stupid people think that US laws apply here. I actually hada friend tell me you could plead the 5th here. I tried to explain well it wouldn't be the 5th here it would be something else and how I wasn't sure what is covered here and not covered. He insisted you could plead the 5th here and couldn't even tell me what the it was the 5th of.

English TV also has an effect as many people in Ireland believe there is common law wife and husband here but we have nothing similar, no such rule etc...

The things is go to any country and you can see how much US and English TV is on.

28-03-2006 12:30PM

If it's the America of Seinfeld and Larry David, gimme that over the Europe of 'Allo 'Allo and Marcel Marceau any day.

SteveS · 28-03-2006 05:03PM

take sex. i have to laugh when people call ireland sexually repressive, have you seen what the yanks do in terms of their dating scene, its positively puritanical i mean theres a reason why they all think european women are gagging for it. those poor bastards cant get a beer till theyre 21 let alone feel a girl up till theyve met the parents .in a weird way we're already what they want to be. a country where you can get laid when you want and locked out of your head every week without some bible thumper telling you your going to hell.

I agree with this dude, dont form your opinions of americans on TV shows and flims the vast majority of which are city major city based...if you go to the bible belt in the mid west things are very different. The only way you will see serious violence or even a t!t on TV over there is on cable, HBO especially.
I would consider americans to be very conservative as a nation, I mean look at the all the jive clinton created with a crafty blow job...they spent ten times more investigating that then they did investigating 9/11.
All you gotta do is drive through any town in the mid west and see the size of their churchs...massive, they are the centre of most communities.

As an American that lives in the "mid-west, bible belt," I would have to say that these perceptions are equally delusional. I would write more, but my friends and I are going to get in my truck so that we can throw bibles at the homosexuals and fornicators. Then its off to church.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-03-2006 05:41PM

constitutionus wrote:

you know i actually think its the reverse. as some have mentioned earlier what we see from the US generally only covers LA and New york. and yes we have absorbed the coloquilisims but the majority of irish dialogue is inpenetrable to the yanks, and the vast majority of em culturally live a totally different life to us.
take sex. i have to laugh when people call ireland sexually repressive, have you seen what the yanks do in terms of their dating scene, its positively puritanical:eek: i mean theres a reason why they all think european women are gagging for it. those poor bastards cant get a beer till theyre 21 let alone feel a girl up till theyve met the parents:) .in a weird way we're already what they want to be. a country where you can get laid when you want and locked out of your head every week without some bible thumper telling you your going to hell.
this probably explains why irish people do so well over there, i mean hell they think colin farrell is some kinda ollie reed reborn when fact is he drinks as much as your ordinary lad down the local, they actually think hes a rebel rouser !. i deal with tourists alot myself and you can see the culture shock on their faces, and you'd be amazed how many of em still say "sir" and "ma'am". i cant think of any other english speaking nation that still does that

so no, i dont think american media has changed us. in fact i think were slowly changing them, just look what carol coleman did to bush. poor bugger hasnt been questioned like that in his life:D

You're joking! This country is still under the shadow of the catholic church when it comes to sex, so the bible-thumper issue goes straight out the window. We stil think sex is dirty and scandalous and our bodies are something to be shameful and scared of whether we like it or not. If we're converting them, why are we taking up their trends on cosmetic surgery?

We're far more closer to America than we are to the more open-minded continentals... image is becoming more and more important here every day.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-03-2006 05:44PM

Deleted User wrote:

The one thing I always disliked about America is the fact that there's shag all variety there. Walking down a street you'd pass 4 Starbucks, 3 TGIF's, and god knows what else.

I hope Ireland wont become that way. I love being able to walk into coffee shops and sitting down without some fat eejit asking for a "skinny lowfat cappuchino extra lime hold the lard double espresso".

Ireland is just as limiting when it comes to night life. With all the pubs in the city centre, the majority of them still sell the same drinks to the same people at the same prices while watching the same football/rugby matches. Take Techeles in Berlin or some of The Works in the UK or the Moulin Rouge in Paris - you'll never get that kinda stuff here.

Wertz · 28-03-2006 05:53PM

monkeyfudge wrote:

Mossy Monk wrote:

hardly a new thing. there is one in Blanchardstown with ages

And one at St. Stephens Green for about 5 years now too.

Not been in Dublin, that wasn't worktime, in that long so I wouldn't know.
It sucked over there (US) but it was a cheap night of cocktails, BBQ and pitchers...I'm guessing it sucks doubly so here, due to lack of cheap booze.

The word "Sucks" was brought to you by the letters S and K and by the number 4.

Blisterman · 28-03-2006 06:18PM

Well, 100-200 years ago, it was Irish culture that was influencing American Culture.

Wertz · 28-03-2006 06:19PM

Yeah we sure showed them injuns!

mysterious · 28-03-2006 06:47PM

All English countires are influenced by each other especially.

As for America, well they totally have influnced us

But on the other hand America has our influnece when it comes to biblical swearing even the omigod thing is irish... way back in the haydays, I rish people have being saying it, like jesus crist and the whole chi bang..

We are now also influenced by Austrailia. just look at the scenrio more noticeable in Britain, where Nieghbours in on BBC1 primetime, where it will pull in millions of viewers, and of course the Uk is the biggest audience both outside and Austrailia itself. Nn mate,,, English people say it all the time, like the ozzies, now we say it alot till recently and now its started in America from hearing it over here I suppose...

The other one is "hows it goin" they don't say it much in America but do in OZ, interesting to know where this started?
So with all the waffle, my point is, it's happening all the time, whether we want it or not. whatever about the influence who cares, I still want a big car and a big house?

I say blame T.V and the Vaccum cleaner :rolleyes: sorry I meant the Hoover, doh, God damn it.

We do least know things about ourselves that Americans don't, Like we know we cause global warming, (recent phenomenon) American's would say what's that?
We know Bush influences the Americans, Bush does'nt seem to influence us!

We know Ice cream is bad for us, The Americans would say ,uhmm, that's nice

We know we can't stop drinking, the Americans, haven't a hope of stopping us!

We know We can speak English. The Americans, don't know until they come to Ireland and hear us speak a few words in English, then they are amazed(is this relevant to the topic)

We know the Americans say shoot to mean something else, yes it's bad :rolleyes:

We know it easier to use Metric rather than Feet,inches etc. Because it easier, the American's don't know about this yet.

We are not a fat nation yet, America is I'm afraid i suppose this is the only influence I can think of so far?

We know we are still Five hours ahead, the question is do American know about this?

We know there are "Americans' you know what I mean, they however don't know there are "Americans"

Anyone going to the Movies tonight I think there is "American" movie on don't much about it yet. Sure it won't be to bad as the lauguage is American:) .It should be Awesome.

P.S Ozzies are really American "now it's etreme".

constitutionus · 28-03-2006 10:33PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

You're joking! This country is still under the shadow of the catholic church when it comes to sex, so the bible-thumper issue goes straight out the window. We stil think sex is dirty and scandalous and our bodies are something to be shameful and scared of whether we like it or not. If we're converting them, why are we taking up their trends on cosmetic surgery?

We're far more closer to America than we are to the more open-minded continentals... image is becoming more and more important here every day.

oh please, were talking one generation brought up under De velara that ****ed things up for everyone. my ma and da were born in the thirties and arent half as ****ed up as my mates parents raised under the result of dev's catholic regiem in the fifties. the vast history of ireland going back to prehistory is us getting pissed, inventing drinks to get pissed on and getting laid (the former to probably ensure the latter

). why do you think it was so easy for our generation to cast off all that shame baggage? the whole "holy catholic ireland" was an abberation, when the last of the last generation dies so will it. the best example of this is in your own post, if were so ashamed of our bodies why would we spend thousands in cosmetic surgery to emphasise them? and if we think sex is scandalous and dirty then how come we're the STD capital of the world (well at least to Mr Syphilis )

these may not be desireable but they are the fact of modern irish life and could only happen in a sexually active enviroment. we didnt import this behaviour from the states, hell if anything our writers exported it to them, and even then your only talking about the east and west coasts embracing it. the rest is starkly conservative in comparison (as was hinted at earlier, janet jacksons tit anyone?, christ help em it they find out about page 3 ! )

Sangre · 28-03-2006 10:50PM

Actually Ireland had one of the lowest rates in Europe for alcohol consumption until the 80s when everyone else slowed down and then in the 90s we increased consumption.

Before the 80s the pioneers organised 100,000 strong marches in a country of 3.5 million.
Our 'culture' was hardly one of booze.

Furry Burger · 28-03-2006 11:19PM

SteveS wrote:

As an American that lives in the "mid-west, bible belt," I would have to say that these perceptions are equally delusional. I would write more, but my friends and I are going to get in my truck so that we can throw bibles at the homosexuals and fornicators. Then its off to church.

ok would you like to explain how a man like George BUsh can be elected president?
some one who believes fossils were put there to test us by god

..and that the world is only 4000 years old? Im not tarring all yanks with the same brush but how can any one take this clown seriously yet alone elect him twice..he must have some support base

constitutionus · 28-03-2006 11:23PM

Sangre wrote:

Actually Ireland had one of the lowest rates in Europe for alcohol consumption until the 80s when everyone else slowed down and then in the 90s we increased consumption.

Before the 80s the pioneers organised 100,000 strong marches in a country of 3.5 million.
Our 'culture' was hardly one of booze.

that was the mid twentieth century, exactly the de velera influenced period i was talking about. pre 1900 we drank like fish. hell man we invented whiskey (no matter what the scots say) and that was just what the monks were up to. and where do you think all the poitin came from? god if you go back to the brehan law days bigomy was leagal.
our culture has always been one of booze. it was our way of purifying water for 10 thousand years back when we came here during the ice age.

compared to that vast swath of history roughly 50 yrs of catholic dogma isnt really that much to base our culture on

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