Reason why so called Thugs rioted on Oconnel Streets

projectmayhem · 08-03-2006 10:58PM

40miles wrote:

As you may no most of the people that were involved in the riots were Yoths from poor areas of the inner city of dublin
You may think they used the orange men as a excuse to run riot down oconnel street the real reason in my view was a call out for help As this country flourishes these areas are ignored There is a big line between rich and Poor in this country Im my view The so called lower class are the most discrimnated group of people in our society if something is not done about this propblem of the poor youth of dublin you can expect more of these types of riots in the near future

oh please. they rioted because they could. you talk to the knackers involved and they're not going to waffle about them being "disadvantaged". no one will discriminate if they wash, take off the cap and get a qualification.

these rioters were not discriminated youths protesting the ignorance of their oppressive government. they were throwing rocks at their own police force because they knew they'd get away with it.

what has raiding shoe stores and scaring kids in jervis st. got to do with poverty?

if we can expect more riots then we should pile all these knackers into one ****ty area (leitrum ftw) and nuke the bastard.

the black communities in paris had a reason to riot. they gave their reason, and rioted. are you saying these scummers going into town shouting "the i, the r, the ira" and robbing shops and beating up asians have the same issue as the parisians?

slipss · 08-03-2006 11:01PM

projectmayhem wrote:

what has raiding shoe stores ... got to do with poverty?

lol

AngryBadger · 08-03-2006 11:16PM

40miles wrote:

you can expect more of these types of riots in the near future

And if that happens you can rapidly expect more of these thugs to wind up in jail. There's nothing constructive about destroying a major street in Dublin, the people who were injured, or put about by these riots all pay their taxes, all work for what they have, none of them deserved the riots. And if you somehow feel that the state of urban decay justifies this kind of barbaric hooliganism you need to take a check on your perspective.

I appreciate that there are very real problems with inner city areas of dublin, but this kind of response is not solving anything, and frankly if yours is the most enlightened attitude to speak up on the rioters behalf, then i say lock them up, and throw away the key.

toString · 08-03-2006 11:43PM

I disagree with the original poster's assumption that all the rioting was from people from the "lower class"/"poor". The rioters obviously had enough money to go into the pub on a Saturday morning.

The riots were clearly organised fueled by Sinn Fein rhetoric. There was a belief there by the rioters that these people parading had no right to parade peacefully (which they had). Sinn Fein may have disowned themselves from the riot but history will reveal who caused the riot as well as the attitude within the current supporters of Sinn Fein/IRA.

It's about time the people of this country took back republicanism from Sinn Fein.

Idbatterim · 08-03-2006 11:51PM

What do people expect we have lower, middle and higher classes here in irelandm, what country dosnt have these 3 classes, and in ireland there are no ultra rich or poor, the so called poor still have accomodation, free health care, dole, child allowance, free education. what else do they want? this country is mostly made of middle class people, ther are not many insanely rich or down and outs, when you work it out as a % of population...

Dave! · 09-03-2006 12:04AM

Eureka! You should copyright that theory in case someone else takes credit for it...!

pbsuxok1znja4r · 09-03-2006 12:08AM

Lodgepole wrote:

I'd like to know why they feel that way and how they can be changed.

Their having no respect for anything is not a "feeling", it's possibly the very opposite. Vandals and scumbags are the way they are because they have shit parents, shit friends and shit teachers. In the broad sense of the word, they have no proper education.

Brainless vandals are not made that way by living in underpriveliged areas - they live in shitty areas precisely because they are brainless vandal-types with no real conception of a better way of life, (from a non-material POV).
My two cent - like it or not.

EOA_Mushy · 09-03-2006 12:09AM

Poor people in dublin dont exist.
They are lazzy(apart from when they want to be violent) and/or idiots.

School is free.
College is free.
Applying for a job is free.

The government give these people:

- houses.
- cloths.
- vans.

God damn it get a bloody job!!!

pbsuxok1znja4r · 09-03-2006 12:12AM

EOA_Mushy wrote:

The government give these people:

- houses.
- cloths.
- vans.

God damn it get a bloody job!!!

Haha, cloths. All I can think of is loin-cloths.

Apt.

EOA_Mushy · 09-03-2006 12:14AM

scouser.tommy wrote:

Haha, cloths. All I can think of is loin-cloths.
Apt.

lol

you know what i mean...

Degsy · 09-03-2006 11:37AM

projectmayhem wrote:

oh please. they rioted because they could. you talk to the knackers involved and they're not going to waffle about them being "disadvantaged". no one will discriminate if they wash, take off the cap and get a qualification.

these rioters were not discriminated youths protesting the ignorance of their oppressive government. they were throwing rocks at their own police force because they knew they'd get away with it.

what has raiding shoe stores and scaring kids in jervis st. got to do with poverty?

if we can expect more riots then we should pile all these knackers into one ****ty area (leitrum ftw) and nuke the bastard.

the black communities in paris had a reason to riot. they gave their reason, and rioted. are you saying these scummers going into town shouting "the i, the r, the ira" and robbing shops and beating up asians have the same issue as the parisians?

And what reason did the "black communities" have to riot?Being "black"?Or because some little scumbag got killed when he was running away from the cops?Does that give evrybody a right to set fire to cars and burn people alive?No it doesnt get a grip on yourself with your right-on rubbish..the people who rioted in france are the same level of scumbags that rioted in dublin,being "black" doesnt give you a licence to behave like an animal/

The OP · 09-03-2006 11:51AM

The so-called "Lower Class" are the biggest bunch of hypocrites IMO when it comes to the situation in the North - they riot, they curse the "English bastards", etc - yet they do all this while wearing English football jerseys - Liverpool, Man U, etc...

LegacyUser · 09-03-2006 12:28PM

i'm sick of this "we don't have the same opportunities" bull5hit argument.

just because you're from a disadvantaged area, doesn't mean you can't do well in life.

i wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth and would consider myself working/middle class.

i've worked hard, and now earn good money and own a gaf.

there is a class divide in ireland, and someone who is born with that silver spoon in their mouth, will have it easier, boo hoo, that's life.

they're just angry, begrudgerant, small minded scumbags.

they're a wart on our city, and they're breeding like rabbits.

i think we need stiffer laws, like the 3 strike rule in new york.

The_Minister · 09-03-2006 12:45PM

40miles wrote:

As you may no most of the people that were involved in the riots were Yoths from poor areas of the inner city of dublin
You may think they used the orange men as a excuse to run riot down oconnel street the real reason in my view was a call out for help As this country flourishes these areas are ignored There is a big line between rich and Poor in this country Im my view The so called lower class are the most discrimnated group of people in our society if something is not done about this propblem of the poor youth of dublin you can expect more of these types of riots in the near future

Bollocks. Utter Bollocks.
They had Celtic jerseys and had spent most of the afternoon drinking €5 pints. Drop the Vincent Brown ****, they have disposable income.

grumpytrousers · 09-03-2006 01:02PM

I think the slight problem with what a few people here are saying is that they expect 'scumbags' to utilise the same norms, values and rationales as, say, those of us who are NOT scumbags would use. So - for instance - it would seem that most posters here (even the 'lock em up forever' brigade

) are the type of people who believe it completely unacceptable to chuck rocks around the place, whether at the gardai or not. And that's fine. I would whole heartedly agree. But from where did such a belief come from? I can't answer for anybody else, but for myself, I'll say it's the kind of thing that's been with me since I was, oh, this high. (points to low point on ground!) My parents instilled that in me; my da was a low ranking civil servant who did an honest to God nine-to-five, and my mum stayed at home, and did the baking, cleaned the brasses and did the hoovering.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the 1970's in rural Ireland!

The kind of people I went to school with and hung out with all of a similar-ish type. Not posh. Not affected. None of us, for instance, would know the rules of rugby! (not to say that knowing the rules makes you posh, y'understand!)In the run up to the Inter Cert, you worked to get into the good classes for the Leaving, 'cos it was a foregone conclusion that you then wanted to work your arse off to get a good leaving and go to University.

I worked for my leaving cert (and it's funny to think now) not because of any great ambition to be a doctor/lawyer/engineer, but because all my bloody friends were working hard. Heck - you can't doss around on your own THAT much. (Yes I know that's v immature...so sue me!) Headed along to college, and the 18 odd years hanging around with my own 'type' stayed with me. And even now, as hacked off as I get with certain things in this country, I know that the solutions to most problems are to make some attempt at intelligent analysis, and realise that the solutions will NOT always be the quick fixes and will rarely, if ever, win an election for a government.

And lets compare my idyllic childhood with a 'scumbag', shall we? I don't want to get all 'right on, happy clappy' but let's just be brutally analyticial here for a second. You're born in a crap part of town. Your auld fella was a waster. Your mum is a waster. They don't bloody care if you go to school or not. Without the encouragement from within the home, no amount of 'there's loads of opportunities out there' will ever amount to a hill of beans. It's as kids that to a large extent your cards are marked. If you start to hang out with Decko, Micko and Whacker in senior infants, and they're off a similar 'background' to yourself with a similar lack of interest, it's a pretty good bet you'll end up doing no good.

This isn't absolute. There are exceptions - hopefully somebody here will pop up here as evidence of same, but I'll still say they're much in the minority.

The fact of the matter is that you can lock up as many people as you like. As long as 'scumbags' have the perception that they're hard done by, crap like what happened on O'Connell St will happen again. It's all about perception. In the same way that members of certain religious faiths feel slighted at certain cartoons, and the rest of us say "oh for crying out loud", but it's their perception that lends them the viewpoint and, again, our expectation that they would use OUR norms may (or may not be) misplaced.

Locking them all up uses as it's logical cornerstone the notion that prison acts as a deterrent. The fact of the matter is that people getting locked up for 'minor offences' (at least when compared to aggrevated assault, rape etc) tend to become repeat offenders. To be honest, the amount of scumbags out there that need locking up is immense anyway...they probably *would* fill Leitrim. And nudge a bit into Sligo as well...

Christ - that's a long post. Do I have a solution? Do I fúck! I suppose all I'm trying to say is that, like the lads in Trading Places based their entire bet on, nurture comes into it as well. People aren't born as assholes. They become assholes. The trick for us, who consider ourselves *ahem* normal, is to figure out how, and how to stop it...

Degsy · 09-03-2006 01:15PM

grumpytrousers wrote:

I think the slight problem with what a few people here are saying is that they expect 'scumbags' to utilise the same norms, values and rationales as, say, those of us who are NOT scumbags would use. So - for instance - it would seem that most posters here (even the 'lock em up forever' brigade ) are the type of people who believe it completely unacceptable to chuck rocks around the place, whether at the gardai or not. And that's fine. I would whole heartedly agree. But from where did such a belief come from? I can't answer for anybody else, but for myself, I'll say it's the kind of thing that's been with me since I was, oh, this high. (points to low point on ground!) My parents instilled that in me; my da was a low ranking civil servant who did an honest to God nine-to-five, and my mum stayed at home, and did the baking, cleaned the brasses and did the hoovering.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the 1970's in rural Ireland!

The kind of people I went to school with and hung out with all of a similar-ish type. Not posh. Not affected. None of us, for instance, would know the rules of rugby! (not to say that knowing the rules makes you posh, y'understand!)In the run up to the Inter Cert, you worked to get into the good classes for the Leaving, 'cos it was a foregone conclusion that you then wanted to work your arse off to get a good leaving and go to University.

I worked for my leaving cert (and it's funny to think now) not because of any great ambition to be a doctor/lawyer/engineer, but because all my bloody friends were working hard. Heck - you can't doss around on your own THAT much. (Yes I know that's v immature...so sue me!) Headed along to college, and the 18 odd years hanging around with my own 'type' stayed with me. And even now, as hacked off as I get with certain things in this country, I know that the solutions to most problems are to make some attempt at intelligent analysis, and realise that the solutions will NOT always be the quick fixes and will rarely, if ever, win an election for a government.

And lets compare my idyllic childhood with a 'scumbag', shall we? I don't want to get all 'right on, happy clappy' but let's just be brutally analyticial here for a second. You're born in a crap part of town. Your auld fella was a waster. Your mum is a waster. They don't bloody care if you go to school or not. Without the encouragement from within the home, no amount of 'there's loads of opportunities out there' will ever amount to a hill of beans. It's as kids that to a large extent your cards are marked. If you start to hang out with Decko, Micko and Whacker in senior infants, and they're off a similar 'background' to yourself with a similar lack of interest, it's a pretty good bet you'll end up doing no good.

This isn't absolute. There are exceptions - hopefully somebody here will pop up here as evidence of same, but I'll still say they're much in the minority.

The fact of the matter is that you can lock up as many people as you like. As long as 'scumbags' have the perception that they're hard done by, crap like what happened on O'Connell St will happen again. It's all about perception. In the same way that members of certain religious faiths feel slighted at certain cartoons, and the rest of us say "oh for crying out loud", but it's their perception that lends them the viewpoint and, again, our expectation that they would use OUR norms may (or may not be) misplaced.

Locking them all up uses as it's logical cornerstone the notion that prison acts as a deterrent. The fact of the matter is that people getting locked up for 'minor offences' (at least when compared to aggrevated assault, rape etc) tend to become repeat offenders. To be honest, the amount of scumbags out there that need locking up is immense anyway...they probably *would* fill Leitrim. And nudge a bit into Sligo as well...

Christ - that's a long post. Do I have a solution? Do I fúck! I suppose all I'm trying to say is that, like the lads in Trading Places based their entire bet on, nurture comes into it as well. People aren't born as assholes. They become assholes. The trick for us, who consider ourselves *ahem* normal, is to figure out how, and how to stop it...

Yeah,lock them up.And stop them having babies.Just listen to the way those scrubbers (you see pushing buggies around )talk to thier kids,johnnie blue in mouth.The kids havnt got a chance.

Degsy · 09-03-2006 01:15PM

grumpytrousers wrote:

I think the slight problem with what a few people here are saying is that they expect 'scumbags' to utilise the same norms, values and rationales as, say, those of us who are NOT scumbags would use. So - for instance - it would seem that most posters here (even the 'lock em up forever' brigade ) are the type of people who believe it completely unacceptable to chuck rocks around the place, whether at the gardai or not. And that's fine. I would whole heartedly agree. But from where did such a belief come from? I can't answer for anybody else, but for myself, I'll say it's the kind of thing that's been with me since I was, oh, this high. (points to low point on ground!) My parents instilled that in me; my da was a low ranking civil servant who did an honest to God nine-to-five, and my mum stayed at home, and did the baking, cleaned the brasses and did the hoovering.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the 1970's in rural Ireland!

The kind of people I went to school with and hung out with all of a similar-ish type. Not posh. Not affected. None of us, for instance, would know the rules of rugby! (not to say that knowing the rules makes you posh, y'understand!)In the run up to the Inter Cert, you worked to get into the good classes for the Leaving, 'cos it was a foregone conclusion that you then wanted to work your arse off to get a good leaving and go to University.

I worked for my leaving cert (and it's funny to think now) not because of any great ambition to be a doctor/lawyer/engineer, but because all my bloody friends were working hard. Heck - you can't doss around on your own THAT much. (Yes I know that's v immature...so sue me!) Headed along to college, and the 18 odd years hanging around with my own 'type' stayed with me. And even now, as hacked off as I get with certain things in this country, I know that the solutions to most problems are to make some attempt at intelligent analysis, and realise that the solutions will NOT always be the quick fixes and will rarely, if ever, win an election for a government.

And lets compare my idyllic childhood with a 'scumbag', shall we? I don't want to get all 'right on, happy clappy' but let's just be brutally analyticial here for a second. You're born in a crap part of town. Your auld fella was a waster. Your mum is a waster. They don't bloody care if you go to school or not. Without the encouragement from within the home, no amount of 'there's loads of opportunities out there' will ever amount to a hill of beans. It's as kids that to a large extent your cards are marked. If you start to hang out with Decko, Micko and Whacker in senior infants, and they're off a similar 'background' to yourself with a similar lack of interest, it's a pretty good bet you'll end up doing no good.

This isn't absolute. There are exceptions - hopefully somebody here will pop up here as evidence of same, but I'll still say they're much in the minority.

The fact of the matter is that you can lock up as many people as you like. As long as 'scumbags' have the perception that they're hard done by, crap like what happened on O'Connell St will happen again. It's all about perception. In the same way that members of certain religious faiths feel slighted at certain cartoons, and the rest of us say "oh for crying out loud", but it's their perception that lends them the viewpoint and, again, our expectation that they would use OUR norms may (or may not be) misplaced.

Locking them all up uses as it's logical cornerstone the notion that prison acts as a deterrent. The fact of the matter is that people getting locked up for 'minor offences' (at least when compared to aggrevated assault, rape etc) tend to become repeat offenders. To be honest, the amount of scumbags out there that need locking up is immense anyway...they probably *would* fill Leitrim. And nudge a bit into Sligo as well...

Christ - that's a long post. Do I have a solution? Do I fúck! I suppose all I'm trying to say is that, like the lads in Trading Places based their entire bet on, nurture comes into it as well. People aren't born as assholes. They become assholes. The trick for us, who consider ourselves *ahem* normal, is to figure out how, and how to stop it...

Yeah,lock them up.And stop them having babies.Just listen to the way those scrubbers (you see pushing buggies around )talk to thier kids,johnnie blue in mouth.The kids havnt got a chance.

Degsy · 09-03-2006 01:15PM

grumpytrousers wrote:

I think the slight problem with what a few people here are saying is that they expect 'scumbags' to utilise the same norms, values and rationales as, say, those of us who are NOT scumbags would use. So - for instance - it would seem that most posters here (even the 'lock em up forever' brigade ) are the type of people who believe it completely unacceptable to chuck rocks around the place, whether at the gardai or not. And that's fine. I would whole heartedly agree. But from where did such a belief come from? I can't answer for anybody else, but for myself, I'll say it's the kind of thing that's been with me since I was, oh, this high. (points to low point on ground!) My parents instilled that in me; my da was a low ranking civil servant who did an honest to God nine-to-five, and my mum stayed at home, and did the baking, cleaned the brasses and did the hoovering.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the 1970's in rural Ireland!

The kind of people I went to school with and hung out with all of a similar-ish type. Not posh. Not affected. None of us, for instance, would know the rules of rugby! (not to say that knowing the rules makes you posh, y'understand!)In the run up to the Inter Cert, you worked to get into the good classes for the Leaving, 'cos it was a foregone conclusion that you then wanted to work your arse off to get a good leaving and go to University.

I worked for my leaving cert (and it's funny to think now) not because of any great ambition to be a doctor/lawyer/engineer, but because all my bloody friends were working hard. Heck - you can't doss around on your own THAT much. (Yes I know that's v immature...so sue me!) Headed along to college, and the 18 odd years hanging around with my own 'type' stayed with me. And even now, as hacked off as I get with certain things in this country, I know that the solutions to most problems are to make some attempt at intelligent analysis, and realise that the solutions will NOT always be the quick fixes and will rarely, if ever, win an election for a government.

And lets compare my idyllic childhood with a 'scumbag', shall we? I don't want to get all 'right on, happy clappy' but let's just be brutally analyticial here for a second. You're born in a crap part of town. Your auld fella was a waster. Your mum is a waster. They don't bloody care if you go to school or not. Without the encouragement from within the home, no amount of 'there's loads of opportunities out there' will ever amount to a hill of beans. It's as kids that to a large extent your cards are marked. If you start to hang out with Decko, Micko and Whacker in senior infants, and they're off a similar 'background' to yourself with a similar lack of interest, it's a pretty good bet you'll end up doing no good.

This isn't absolute. There are exceptions - hopefully somebody here will pop up here as evidence of same, but I'll still say they're much in the minority.

The fact of the matter is that you can lock up as many people as you like. As long as 'scumbags' have the perception that they're hard done by, crap like what happened on O'Connell St will happen again. It's all about perception. In the same way that members of certain religious faiths feel slighted at certain cartoons, and the rest of us say "oh for crying out loud", but it's their perception that lends them the viewpoint and, again, our expectation that they would use OUR norms may (or may not be) misplaced.

Locking them all up uses as it's logical cornerstone the notion that prison acts as a deterrent. The fact of the matter is that people getting locked up for 'minor offences' (at least when compared to aggrevated assault, rape etc) tend to become repeat offenders. To be honest, the amount of scumbags out there that need locking up is immense anyway...they probably *would* fill Leitrim. And nudge a bit into Sligo as well...

Christ - that's a long post. Do I have a solution? Do I fúck! I suppose all I'm trying to say is that, like the lads in Trading Places based their entire bet on, nurture comes into it as well. People aren't born as assholes. They become assholes. The trick for us, who consider ourselves *ahem* normal, is to figure out how, and how to stop it...

Yeah,lock them up.And stop them having babies.Just listen to the way those scrubbers (you see pushing buggies around )talk to thier kids,johnnie blue in mouth.The kids havnt got a chance.

Permian-Poster · 09-03-2006 01:16PM

The riots represent the first time in living
memory that the very poorest and most marginalised elements in Irish
society expressed themselves politically, undirected as it may have
been. The 'scumbags' will have experienced this as a great victory -
they stopped the 'orange bastards' from marching, they took on the
guards en masse and won - they controlled the city centre for several
hours on a Saturday afternoon and many of them will have experienced
this as an intensely empowering demonstration of their worth. In
future the government may have to reckon with this sector as a
political force - rioting is often empowering for the marginalised and
can easily spread and the government will want to take great pains to
discourage that. I think it is highly unlikely that the government
will be at all keen to repeat the disaster of the loyalist march and
risk providing a chance for this anger to express itself again.
Unfortunately, however, it is very difficult to turn such destructive
expressions of anger into constructive channels. While the most
marginalised elements of the working class woke up on Sunday morning
with a new appreciation of their collective power, they still lack any
constructive way of expressing this and until that avenue presents
itself, it is unlikely to lead to any political force that can lead
towards lasting change.

All of the political groupings in the south bar some of the republican
fringes and the anarchists will condemn these riots in the harshest
terms. Indeed within hours, the state's politicians were queuing up to
express their outrage and 'anger' at the events. But what is the point
of reacting to anger with anger? What use is anger against people who
don't give a f#ck and who don't have anything to lose? There is a
French anarchist saying that goes "Qui sème la misère récolte la
colère" – "he who sows misery, harvests anger". On Saturday February
25th 2006, we saw the first harvest of our Celtic Tiger and chances
are that it won't be the last.

(originally posted elsewhere)

SprostonGreen · 09-03-2006 01:20PM

40miles wrote:

As you may no most of the people that were involved in the riots were Yoths from poor areas of the inner city of dublin
You may think they used the orange men as a excuse to run riot down oconnel street the real reason in my view was a call out for help As this country flourishes these areas are ignored There is a big line between rich and Poor in this country Im my view The so called lower class are the most discrimnated group of people in our society if something is not done about this propblem of the poor youth of dublin you can expect more of these types of riots in the near future

This is a terrible post, not just for content but also for punctuation.

The Wicker Man · 09-03-2006 01:53PM

The tracksuit and buggy brigade are breeding like rabbits.Why?
Because they can.
I truly believe that someday in the future it will not be a womans automatic right to have a baby just because she is physically able to do so.
In a small place like Ireland room to live and work will become the prime issue and the unchecked population growth amongst the lowest classes will start to be closely monitored.
Some sort of official legislation based on "if you cant feed em, dont breed em" will be enforced for the general good of a society which by then will be b
uckling beneath the weight of financing these peoples lives.
Sounds like some sort of Orwellian nightmare autocracy,but it will be absolutely necessary IMO

The OP · 09-03-2006 02:00PM

The Wicker Man wrote:

The tracksuit and buggy brigade are breeding like rabbits.Why?
Because they can.
I truly believe that someday in the future it will not be a womans automatic right to have a baby just because she is physically able to do so.
In a small place like Ireland room to live and work will become the prime issue and the unchecked population growth amongst the lowest classes will start to be closely monitored.
Some sort of official legislation based on "if you cant feed em, dont breed em" will be enforced for the general good of a society which by then will be b
uckling beneath the weight of financing these peoples lives.
Sounds like some sort of Orwellian nightmare autocracy,but it will be absolutely necessary IMO

I agree. We end up paying for their kids anwyay, and taxes will go up if they breed more and claim more benefits.

Degsy · 09-03-2006 02:05PM

And guess what?Deep down they really arent nice people.

pontovic · 09-03-2006 02:30PM

Would I be too harsh and fascist when I firmly believe that it should be against the law for people not to work ? (unless they cant for medical or psychological reasons ?)

I believe everyone should work to better themselves and their society. I hate people who leech off everyone else and sit around on their arses all day when they could easily work.

Degsy · 09-03-2006 02:34PM

The only reason acceptable for not working should be dissability.Being a fat,lazy,greasy-haired tracksuit-wearing harridan is not a resaon to sit at home all day smoking and watching telly.

Dilly1 · 09-03-2006 02:34PM

Its never been easier to be successful in life, no matter what background you come from. There has never been so many opportunities available for people to have everything they want. The BIG problem is, that you still have to put in some hard work. Most of these people are only interested in where ManYoo are in the league (English team by the way) and what is happening on East Enders (English Soap), and where their next beer is coming from (probably Scandinavian, the Vikings oppressed us as well you know). But they will always expect the world to be beating down their door to offer them everything, when it doesnt happen they complain that they are being discriminated against, and of course they will blame everyone else but themselves, including the English and the Unionists.

Fighting Irish · 09-03-2006 03:29PM

TmB wrote:

Here is a new golden rule.

Use punctuation.

:rolleyes: i hate people who complain about grammar on the internet, look at your use title :rolleyes:

Degsy · 09-03-2006 03:32PM

Where do they get all the money they seem to have?they allways have new phones(coz they keep playing the ringtones on the bus),designer tracksuits,sovereign rings and they're allways going on holidays to turkey(to buy tracksuits as i heard one halfwit say).

MrScruff · 09-03-2006 04:20PM

Would I be too harsh and fascist when I firmly believe that it should be against the law for people not to work ? (unless they cant for medical or psychological reasons ?)

Maybe we could set up "Labour camps" for them? That would be gas!

fischerspooner · 09-03-2006 04:57PM

I work in an inner city area constantly surrounded by local young mothers with their young kids. The way they talk to their kids, beat them about the place, smoke/drink in front of them, hurl racist abuse at the asian folk in the shops, smoking joints in front of them, bringing their kids to methadone clinics etc... it's no surprise these kids grow up the way they are. These are not a few bad seeds, I see this EVERY DAY from many different people. They are not fit to raise children, and this standard of child rearing seems to be the norm in the inner city. I see it all the time. Men beating their girlfriends about on the street is also a common thing around here. A woman kicked her buggy with a new-born looking baby in it to the ground outside the other day...
The thing that baffles me is that ireland has probably more opportunities than any other country in europe at the moment, yet having spent time in so called poor economy states like Germany, and in the so called rough parts of East Berlin, I have NEVER seen anything like this, or felt any fear of attack from youths in these places. It is a culture of scum. It will not go away until they stop multiplying. It's getting worse and worse. They have it all given to them on a plate and they spit it back at us. Why should we help them anymore?

Reason why so called Thugs rioted on Oconnel Streets

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