Reason why so called Thugs rioted on Oconnel Streets

40miles · 08-03-2006 06:24PM #1

As you may no most of the people that were involved in the riots were Yoths from poor areas of the inner city of dublin
You may think they used the orange men as a excuse to run riot down oconnel street the real reason in my view was a call out for help As this country flourishes these areas are ignored There is a big line between rich and Poor in this country Im my view The so called lower class are the most discrimnated group of people in our society if something is not done about this propblem of the poor youth of dublin you can expect more of these types of riots in the near future

MrScruff · 08-03-2006 06:27PM

Remember the Golden rule! :

Whoever has the gold makes the rules

Mr E · 08-03-2006 06:31PM

Here is a new golden rule.

Use punctuation.

segadreamcast · 08-03-2006 06:33PM

The Spell Czech forum is pissing itself laughing right now.

Celticfire · 08-03-2006 06:36PM

40miles wrote:

As you may no most of the people that were involved in the riots were Yoths from poor areas of the inner city of dublin
You may think they used the orange men as a excuse to run riot down oconnel street the real reason in my view was a call out for help As this country flourishes these areas are ignored There is a big line between rich and Poor in this country Im my view The so called lower class are the most discrimnated group of people in our society if something is not done about this propblem of the poor youth of dublin you can expect more of these types of riots in the near future

What do these youths do to help themselves? Is it up to everyone else to just hand them everything?

To get my shiny toys I get off my ar*e and work. Why do they think that they deserve any different?

Rb · 08-03-2006 06:37PM

That has to be the most ridiculous posts I've read in a long time.

lodgepole · 08-03-2006 06:38PM

40miles wrote:

Im my view The so called lower class are the most discrimnated group of people in our society

Not to say you're incorrect, but could you elaborate on that point a little?

I agree with the view that it was partly a (very subconscious) cry for help from the youth of this city and that it was a social problem, not a political one.

mike65 · 08-03-2006 06:39PM

I broke therefore I riot.

Mike.

MrJoeSoap · 08-03-2006 06:42PM

There's an article in this weeks edition of the village thats along the same lines of the OP, although its slightly better from a grammatical p.o.v.

I don't agree with it at all, these people were nothing more than opportunistic thugs, hell bent on making a mess of their own capital city because they oppose anything seen as Loyalist and/or British.

To say they were rioting as a cry for help because they are part of the "lower classes" is complete and utter nonsense.

RandolphEsq · 08-03-2006 06:44PM

NoelRock wrote:

The Spell Czech forum is pissing itself laughing right now.

lol the spell czech forum

dr zoidberg · 08-03-2006 06:48PM

How can anyone that riots be a "so-called thug"? Let's call a spade a spade here for god's sake.

Although I agree that it was not just republican v unionist that caused it. There are underlying social issues and imbalances that need to be addressed in this country. The riot itself in my opinion was the result of the build up of subconscious anger at their situation, and this anger finds an outlet through racism and prejudice. Not that this is right, but it's more important to answer the question of why than it is the question of how or who.

And I'm not suggesting that they are conscious of the reasons for their anger, or where the urge to commit acts of violence comes from. It's all too easy to label someone as a thug, without asking why they became one.

Turner · 08-03-2006 06:48PM

These people riot every night in their own little way.

They are the people who....

kick of wing mirrors
steal cars
break into houses
joyride
ram garda cars
rob people on the street

Celticfire · 08-03-2006 06:54PM

Chief--- wrote:

These people riot every night in their own little way.

They are the people who....

kick of wing mirrors
steal cars
break into houses
joyride
ram garda cars
rob people on the street

etc,etc,etc.............

smashey · 08-03-2006 06:54PM

Smash everything you come across on O'Connell Street and sympathy, money and all sorts of opportunities will come your way. I can just see the Judge after being told that the defendant went a bit mad due to lack of opportunity and the fact that those people all over the country are so well off and he wasn't. Jail the little feckers.

Laplandman · 08-03-2006 06:58PM

originally posted by
Im my view The so called lower class are the most discrimnated group of people in our society

I don't think so. And, according to many, a significant number of the people involved were neither inner-city nor underpriveleged. If you'll forgive me for being somewhat discriminatory, it seems to me that (unless you are familiar with most of those who took part in the incident) you are guilty of either of two things in your observation on the riot:
A) Committing yourself blindly to a surmise as to the actual socio-economic consistency of the rioters
B)Unwittingly doing the former because of your oblivious immersion in a sea of misinformation and the skewed perspectives of commentators with a vested interest in yoking the rioters to a particular pay-bracket/ locale/orientation in order to reinforce/clarify their own identity/interests/appeal.
The simple fact is that these kinds of things make no sense.

lodgepole · 08-03-2006 06:59PM

smashey wrote:

Smash everything you come across on O'Connell Street and sympathy, money and all sorts of opportunities will come your way. I can just see the Judge after being told that the defendant went a bit mad due to lack of opportunity and the fact that those people all over the country are so well off and he wasn't. Jail the little feckers.

Individually that's fine... But there is a social problem in this country that doesn't exist in many others. The levels of general thuggery in Ireland is astounding to witness when you've been away for a while. You can't throw them all in jail, so as a society we should try to find out why it happens.

astro · 08-03-2006 07:00PM

lets take everybodys money and give it to these poor scumbags:rolleyes:

astro · 08-03-2006 07:02PM

****test thread ever

Celticfire · 08-03-2006 07:12PM

astro wrote:

lets take everybodys money and give it to these poor scumbags:rolleyes:

That allready happens.........

smashey · 08-03-2006 07:54PM

Lodgepole wrote:

Individually that's fine... But there is a social problem in this country that doesn't exist in many others. The levels of general thuggery in Ireland is astounding to witness when you've been away for a while. You can't throw them all in jail, so as a society we should try to find out why it happens.

You can jail all those caught rioting. I have witnessed as much and sometimes much worse general thuggery in other countries. Regarding social problems, they do exist in other countries. Some are worse than ours and some not as bad. As to why this happens, there is always going to be a small element who have no interest in self help or bettering themselves. Correct me if I am wrong here, but is it not the case that if somebody really wants to make something of their life then they will get all sorts of help to do so.

lodgepole · 08-03-2006 07:59PM

smashey wrote:

You can jail all those caught rioting. I have witnessed as much and sometimes much worse general thuggery in other countries. Regarding social problems, they do exist in other countries. Some are worse than ours and some not as bad. As to why this happens, there is always going to be a small element who have no interest in self help or bettering themselves. Correct me if I am wrong here, but is it not the case that if somebody really wants to make something of their life then they will get all sorts of help to do so.

I wasn't that clear in what I wrote. We have a particular social problem which isn't that present outside of Irish or the UK. And it's to do with young men, often women, and their attitudes towards general lawbreaking. It's not as serious as, for example, New York's gang problems but it's more widespread and more out in the open. You only have to go to a large town or city in this country and you'll see it right in front of you.

You're right, if somebody wants to better themselves it's up to them. But why are there so many people in this country who are content with working ****ty jobs (or remaining unemployed) and spending their weekends drinking and causing mayhem? I'd prefer to live in a country where that didn't take place and where everyone tried to better themselves.

smashey · 08-03-2006 08:05PM

Some people are just plain lazy and have no intention of ever working, even though they know that employment would make for a better lot for them. The State, through the social welfare system keeps them going and they know this is always going to be available to them.

Running Bing · 08-03-2006 08:06PM

I dont buy this for a second. There are too many opportunites out there today and I believe if you want to make something of yourself you will. Education is very accesible today with programs ranging from plc courses up to programmes in the big universities such as the trinity foundation and access programmes. We also have one of the fairest eductaion systems in the world with the leaving cert being completely anonymous and the same for everyone. As well as this there are plenty of great courses and apprenticeships out there for people who are not interested in school with plenty of scope to make a decent income and even set up a business. I believe in equality of opportunity not equality of outcome i.e. I believe everyone should have equal opportunities not equal living standards.

Degsy · 08-03-2006 08:15PM

Throughout life in this country you are given every possible chance to better yourself,schooling here is amongst the best in the world and evrybody has more or less the same oppurtunities.If you drop out of school and prefer to drink in the park and write your name on the seats of busses and have kids when you're 14 the system will STILL have you back.If you further choose to go stealing cars and mugging people and writing "rats out" on people's houses the chances are you wont be sent to prison till you're caught about ten times.When y ou're in prison you STILL get a chance to do your leaving cert,WHILE the taxpayer is paying for your board and lodging and your methadone program.When you get out the state will give you somewher to live and pay you money to keep you in john player blue and treat you to the occasional tracksuit if necessary for EVER!THEN people come along and say if you're a criminal its not your fault you were NEVER given a chance!!

smashey · 08-03-2006 08:19PM

Babybing wrote:

I dont buy this for a second. There are too many opportunites out there today and I believe if you want to make something of yourself you will. Education is very accesible today with programs ranging from plc courses up to programmes in the big universities such as the trinity foundation and access programmes. We also have one of the fairest eductaion systems in the world with the leaving cert being completely anonymous and the same for everyone. As well as this there are plenty of great courses and apprenticeships out there for people who are not interested in school with plenty of scope to make a decent income and even set up a business. I believe in equality of opportunity not equality of outcome i.e. I believe everyone should have equal opportunities not equal living standards.

I expressed a similar sentiment in an earlier post. However I stand by my comment that there will always be people who have no interest in working or bettering themselves no matter what opportunities are available.

Dooom · 08-03-2006 08:29PM

Eh? It was a riot. It happened so people could break things.
You don't get to do it in everyday life, so they took the most obvious chance they had.

Political expression my ass.

slipss · 08-03-2006 08:36PM

40miles wrote:

As you may no most of the people that were involved in the riots were Yoths from poor areas of the inner city of dublin
You may think they used the orange men as a excuse to run riot down oconnel street the real reason in my view was a call out for help As this country flourishes these areas are ignored There is a big line between rich and Poor in this country Im my view The so called lower class are the most discrimnated group of people in our society if something is not done about this propblem of the poor youth of dublin you can expect more of these types of riots in the near future

I agree that people from areas with bad names are discriminated against and that probably had a bit to do with thier willingness to riot, but if you want to know why the majority of people there rioted its a combination of the two points below:

1.The Stampede Effect: Like when gazzelle or buffolo in those nature programs are standing in large enough groups, it only takes one or two to suddenly run in a certain direction, then the nearest to them will start to run, and the rest will run with them, I think it's kind of an instinctive response.

2.It's fun to smash things.

Dooom · 08-03-2006 08:40PM

slipss1 wrote:

The Stampede Effect: Like when gazzelle or buffolo in those nature programs are standing in large enough groups, it only takes one or two to suddenly run in a certain direction, then the nearest to them will start to run, and the rest will run with them, I think it's kind of an instinctive response.

It's more to do with body language IIRC. One of them senses a threat, so shoots off some language through flexing it's tail or whatever, and the others relay it onwards. Then they all scarper off, but stay in a group because it's a harder target to attack.

Animal Planet ftw.

slipss · 08-03-2006 10:21PM

Spike wrote:

It's more to do with body language IIRC. One of them senses a threat, so shoots off some language through flexing it's tail or whatever, and the others relay it onwards. Then they all scarper off, but stay in a group because it's a harder target to attack.

Animal Planet ftw.

I don't want to get into another of these instincts aguments with some one but body language is instinctual.

Sam Vimes · 08-03-2006 10:36PM

they did it for the craic and because they have no respect for anything. if they feel they're ignored in society they can march down o'connell street legally like everyone else.

lodgepole · 08-03-2006 10:57PM

Commander Vimes wrote:

they did it for the craic and because they have no respect for anything.

I'd like to know why they feel that way and how they can be changed.

Reason why so called Thugs rioted on Oconnel Streets

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