Murder suspect died in custody/Coolock Shooting

godtabh · 2006-03-07 13:22:20

Any one know any more about this?

#32 07-03-2006 05:05PM

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I think it would be wise not to comment too much on this case...After all there may be criminal proceedings brought in time and a court case...you don't want a defense lawyer coming up with a defence that there have been prejudicial comments made about the case and the defendents can't get a fair trial...better to stick to the known facts and not to speculate who is innocent or guilty...

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#33 07-03-2006 05:12PM

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The others will probably just blame the guy who died. Thats the sad fact

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#34 07-03-2006 05:14PM

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how did the doctors not pick up on the problem? he had a brain scan etc ,as for commenting on the man who died ,he cannot sue so all the papers are naming and slating him(rightly in my opinion) ,also he cant face trial-he is said to be the killer by informed sources-and the other people with him wont get much jail if any,they can just blame him if they did anything wrong themselves.

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#35 07-03-2006 05:15PM

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dclane wrote:

The others will probably just blame the guy who died. Thats the sad fact

read my mind!

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#36 07-03-2006 05:17PM

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I work in the building just across the road from the house where this happened.

This building is absolutely crawling with secuirity cameras and I'm sure a good bit of evidence was picked up by the them.

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#37 07-03-2006 05:20PM

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Well thats something, I'd say the Guards will hold them for several days, and they wont see each other, therfor the stories will be different, the detectives will probably use the old - Well he blames you technique

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#38 07-03-2006 05:20PM

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DaBreno wrote:

Suicide is an easy way out I reckon and is not much punishment at all.

I totally agree. I was sick when I got the txt message at 8 this morning. This chap is obviously went around for most his life acting like the big man but when it boiled down to it he was a total coward with a blatent disregard for other peoples life, let alone his own life.

There has been a lot said in the media over the last couple of days about bringing back the death sentence for indescriminate murders like this, well this chap is dead now and the general feeing is that justice has not been done :mad:

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#39 07-03-2006 05:21PM

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DaBreno wrote:

Suicide is an easy way out I reckon and is not much punishment at all.

I totally agree. I was sick when I got the txt message at 8 this morning. This chap is obviously went around for most his life acting like the big man but when it boiled down to it he was a total coward with a blatent disregard for other peoples life, let alone his own life.

There has been a lot said in the media over the last couple of days about bringing back the death sentence for indescriminate murders like this, well this chap is dead now and the general feeling is that justice has not been done :mad:

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#40 07-03-2006 05:29PM

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flanzer wrote:

I totally agree. I was sick when I got the txt message at 8 this morning. This chap is obviously went around for most his life acting like the big man but when it boiled down to it he was a total coward with a blatent disregard for other peoples life, let alone his own life.

There has been a lot said in the media over the last couple of days about bringing back the death sentence for indescriminate murders like this, well this chap is dead now and the general feeling is that justice has not been done :mad:

didnt he die of a brain haemoraghe??

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#41 07-03-2006 05:37PM

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ronbyrne2005 wrote:

didnt he die of a brain haemoraghe??

Read my earlier post. That's currently what's been floating around the media

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#42 07-03-2006 06:25PM

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Although I don't think it's the case in this particular instance, sometimes the automatic calls of 'police brutality' can lead to greater discomfort. Take, for example, the case of this chap who died in custody of the San Bernadino sherrif's dept.

Contains link to video which is not for the squeamish

After it was announced that the chap was dead, there were immediate accusations of brutality against the Hispanic arrestee. (He was arrested for shooting a deputy). Statements by the police that he killed himself were not accepted. Finally, the video from the interrogation room ended up public, and the family are now traumatised by the sight of the chap calmly shooting himself in the head.

There appears to be a 'rational' chain of events in this Coolock case, I see no reason that the Gard's statements on the issue should be suspect.

NTM

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#43 07-03-2006 07:10PM

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Its certainly odd alright but theres nothing to really indicate anything really fishy. RTÉ are reporting he was unwell/in poor health/had cancer etc... Also says theres videotapes of his interviews.

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#44 07-03-2006 09:17PM

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I'm not a big fan of An Garda, but I don't suspect they had any part to play in his death. They would have known how high profile a case it was going to be, and wouldn't have messed around.

Passed the house earlier on my way to the shops. It's a still a cordoned off crime scene and were still guys inside studying the place and a photographer outside.

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#45 07-03-2006 09:34PM

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flanzer wrote:

In my previous post, I meant that the Gardai were unfairly criticised and blamed in the past for the death of some people in custody. But I'm definitely saying that they had no involvement in this death.

My contact in Beaumont has said he had lasarations and marks on his neck indicative of being hung! This chap sees this sort of thing quite regularily so would be qualified to make a judgement on his death.

I don't know if it will ever come out, maybe it will, maybe it won't.
Would the gardai loose face if someone in custody awaiting a murder charge hung himself with such ease?

Yeah, because everyone that has died form hanging in a garda station did it to themselves, and we all know how easy it is to tell the difference between someone that hung themselves and some one thats been strung up.

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#46 07-03-2006 11:30PM

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The fact that this investigation is being run outta Coolock station says so much about the state of law enforcement in this country. :mad:

For those who haven't seen this and are asking why, see my post about a third of the way down, here

Whether or not this guy was a scumbag or not, I still find the whole timing suspicious...

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#47 07-03-2006 11:30PM

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Oh , all this bickering is so theraputic (sp?). Either way, whatever the cause was, I wont be missing his sort on the streets.

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#48 07-03-2006 11:46PM

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you die as you live ??

i will DEFINITELY NOT miss him either, nor i'm sure will the parents of the girl he shot. Anyone remember the 2 scumbags who got shot robbing the post office in lusk last may ??? me either, and absolutely no love lost.
You die as you live, c'est la vie.

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#49 08-03-2006 12:23AM

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Yeah good point, you die as you live, I haven't seen or heard anything here or in the news about this guys criminal record has anyone else that posted in this thread?, so I can't say how he lived and he was just a suspect in this murder so
I have no evidence he even deserved to be in custody. But if he did pull the trigger and kill that girl then he probably got what he deserved.

And hopefully these gardai if they did have anything to do with his death, and all the other scumbag garda that have been responsible for the death of people in thier custody will wander down a dark alley one day and be mutilated to death with axes and stanley blades.

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#50 08-03-2006 01:16AM

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i know we're only relying on 'the media' but apparently he pulled the trigger, but dont quote me on that, it's getting scary enough saying whats on your mind, even around here 'apparently'

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#51 08-03-2006 01:23AM

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Kaiser2000 wrote:

The fact that this investigation is being run outta Coolock station says so much about the state of law enforcement in this country. :mad:

Ha. Yes. Good point. It looks like they seriously fucked up. Only time will tell what degree they fucked up to.

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#52 08-03-2006 09:11AM

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marcsignal wrote:

you die as you live ??

i will DEFINITELY NOT miss him either, nor i'm sure will the parents of the girl he shot. Anyone remember the 2 scumbags who got shot robbing the post office in lusk last may ??? me either, and absolutely no love lost.
You die as you live, c'est la vie.

Alors, c'est plutot la mort

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#53 08-03-2006 10:18AM

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slipss wrote:

Yeah, because everyone that has died form hanging in a garda station did it to themselves, and we all know how easy it is to tell the difference between someone that hung themselves and some one thats been strung up.

ya they finaly realised that they don't deserve to live...

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#54 08-03-2006 10:44AM

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monkeyfudge wrote:

Ha. Yes. Good point. It looks like they seriously fucked up. Only time will tell what degree they fucked up to.

Unfortunately, as Jimmy above says, we the tax-paying public - who are being billed for this corrupt, inept, pathetic excuse for a police force - aren't EVER likely to find out what really happened.. not with cops investigating themselves.

As usual in this country what'll happen is the politicians will fight and call each other names on TV like children (it's embarassing really when you watch it), some report will be written that really tells us nothing more, and yet it'll all be forgotten about in a month and everything will be back to "normal".

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#55 08-03-2006 11:15AM

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Jimmy Coconuts wrote:

All the speculation and rumour mongering......there is more behind this than you know. This had more to do with him being turned away from a party.

Right they were turned away from a private party. then you move on. go home. not come back with a gun and get revenge. what is the world comming to

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#56 08-03-2006 01:30PM

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Jimmy Coconuts wrote:

What i meant was that it wasn't just the incident of the party, if that even happened. There had been and on going fued. dont believe everything ya read in the paper.

Sorry, its usually the case that not everything will be out in the open.

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#57 08-03-2006 02:54PM

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monkeyfudge wrote:

It looks like they seriously fucked up. Only time will tell what degree they fucked up to.

How did the gardaí mess up? They called out doctors 3 times/ ambulances etc etc? And of course its running from coolock garda station, it happened in coolock. Where would you expect it to be run from?

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#58 08-03-2006 03:01PM

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He died of natural causes. I don't see how thats the gardaí's fault.

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#59 08-03-2006 03:36PM

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snickerpuss wrote:

How did the gardaí mess up? They called out doctors 3 times/ ambulances etc etc? And of course its running from coolock garda station, it happened in coolock. Where would you expect it to be run from?

I live in Coolock and am all too familiar with how badly run that station is.

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#60 08-03-2006 03:38PM

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A fact there were 5 in for questioning only 3 were in the car the other two were a couple from Kildare that were hiding them in there home. Dwayne was the main suspect before he died. Whether he did it or not there will be no justice done now because of his death. One of them drove the car the other shot the gun and the other watched all 3 involved. Donna's family will get no justice now, the main suspect now dead, the other 2 will probably get off with lesser sentences if even charged. What type of sentences can the other two get, accessory. I do also agree that is was very suspicous that he died while in custody, natural causes he was 24, either it was the cancer or something else. Theres alot of this natural causes deaths lately, there has to be some explanation for someones death.

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I presume the remaining four will now place the guilt firmly on Dwane Foster for the actual shooting if it is proven that they all were involved, regardless of his guilt or not.

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#61 08-03-2006 03:48PM

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I also live in coolock, i just don't think they're going to say 'well it happened in coolock but we've decided to put it somewhere else since everyone in coolock garda station are a right bunch of wallies.'
So its hardly a shock its being run from there.
Why do you think its badly run?

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