Baa Baa African American sheep...

Angels · 07-03-2006 02:59PM

Should we not be saying brown sheep ??? oh but sur who would that be racist against??
This world is changing for the worst if we are forced to change words in simple rhymes to please other races!!

MorningStar · 07-03-2006 03:08PM

julep wrote:

there are still Irish jokes on tv. check out the paramount comedy channel and those little vignettes they do between shows. they offend me. not because they make Irish people out to be stupid, but because they are really crappy jokes. i'm still not going to complain to the channel though.

Blokes on the street telling jokes is not the same and I have yet to hear one that is offensive to Irish people.

julep wrote:

as for the monkey incident. yes, it's a comm,on term used here and if people are going to come to this country, then they need to learn our customs and respect them, not dictate to us what they deem acceptable.

Well there you go you want to know if you are racist or not here is a good indicator that you have a problem. They have a right to enter our country and not be offended. People aren't coming here to tell us what way to do things or say things. If you want to have people agree with your views I suggest you go here

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=41

I mean that in all seriousness. They say the same things as you.
People aren't coming here and telling us what they deem acceptable we are realising what we say can casue offense. Society is changing and your view of who has the right to respect is changing. Some people would call you an out and out racist which is an overreaction to what you have said. So you know we the Irish people agreed that every European citizen has equal rights in this country so while the view that they don't have the same rights or to suggest they shouldn't is skating on being illegal.

Setun · 07-03-2006 03:09PM

Blue sheep. That's be pretty cool eh? Blue, wha! No pitfalls there I don't think either.

Terry · 07-03-2006 03:15PM

my point there was that child care workers should be told not to call children monkies because it might offend people who are not Irish. it's a simple 'when in rome' situation.
i've no problem with foriegn people coming here to live (as i've pointed out in many other threads), just as long as they don't try to tell me what i can and can't say.
this is more political correctness gone wrong.
what's the problem with calling one child a little monkey, if you're going to call all children little monkies? there is absolutely no discrimination there. all i see is a case of reverse discrimination against the child care worker.

MorningStar · 07-03-2006 03:24PM

julep wrote:

i've no problem with foriegn people coming here to live (as i've pointed out in many other threads), just as long as they don't try to tell me what i can and can't say.

Oh so you are conditional racist. If you are Irish and take offense you can complain but if not you can't?
This is not political correctness gone mad but being aware of what you say and how it may casue offense. If somebody pulls you up on something you say that may casue offense and then you go on about how this is your country and they need to change people will consider you a biogot if not a racist. Acting like that and saying that stuff is what racists say so how do you differentiate your view from theirs? So far you are tell us that it is one rule for those from here and another for those not here.

Snickers Man · 07-03-2006 03:26PM

Sweet lamb of Jesus, there are some idiots on this thread.

I know we have a rule about attacking the post and not the poster but by God, with about two honourable sceptical exceptions everyone on this post is a gullible splenetic fool ready to take at face value the most idiotic statement just because somebody says he 'heard it on the radio.'

Ironic for a thread about sheep that so many of you are behaving like them. Careful you don't all gambol over a cliff.

Now here's the facts. THERE IS NO BAN ON BAA BAA BLACK SHEEP.

You CAN SING it if you want to.

Nobody gives a ****.

It's NOT racist.

It's removal is NOT part of any local authority policy. Here or in Britain.

WHat has happened, as Marts would know if he bothered to read the story on which his rant is based is that one hypersensitive manager in a nursery in England decided that he would not teach the kids there the traditional wording. For Christ's sake the story carries a quote from a department of education spokesperson saying they dissaprove of nursery rhymes being 'expurgated' in this manner but points out that such decisions are taken at a very local level. ie by the management of an individual nursery.

This is the opinion of one person, blown out of all proportion by crappy Times Journalists who think that the issue of political correctness is the gravest crisis facing Britain at the moment.

Nowhere did the nursery manager say that the kids were banned from singing the 'original' words. Nowhere did the story say that this was part of public policy;in fact the opposite was the case.

Honestly, I favour some very traditional methods for inculcating a respect for the facts of any story into the ultra gulllible sheep brains that are on this thread. A good Cattle prod up the ass perhaps. or a good old fashioned clip on the ear.

OK that's probably me banned but **** it, it needed to be said.

MorningStar · 07-03-2006 04:00PM

Did anybody actually say they though banning "black Sheep" was a good idea?

netwhizkid · 07-03-2006 04:02PM

What next ene meny mine mow, cath a *Tiger* by the toe, Will that be changed for fear of sterotyping Cats

It is politcal correctness gone mad

Mossy Monk · 07-03-2006 04:05PM

how much longer before the PC brigade begin to implode on themselves

simu · 07-03-2006 04:17PM

Snickers Man wrote:

Sweet lamb of Jesus, there are some idiots on this thread.

I know we have a rule about attacking the post and not the poster but by God, with about two honourable sceptical exceptions everyone on this post is a gullible splenetic fool ready to take at face value the most idiotic statement just because somebody says he 'heard it on the radio.'

Ironic for a thread about sheep that so many of you are behaving like them. Careful you don't all gambol over a cliff.

Now here's the facts. THERE IS NO BAN ON BAA BAA BLACK SHEEP.

You CAN SING it if you want to.

Nobody gives a ****.

It's NOT racist.

It's removal is NOT part of any local authority policy. Here or in Britain.

WHat has happened, as Marts would know if he bothered to read the story on which his rant is based is that one hypersensitive manager in a nursery in England decided that he would not teach the kids there the traditional wording. For Christ's sake the story carries a quote from a department of education spokesperson saying they dissaprove of nursery rhymes being 'expurgated' in this manner but points out that such decisions are taken at a very local level. ie by the management of an individual nursery.

This is the opinion of one person, blown out of all proportion by crappy Times Journalists who think that the issue of political correctness is the gravest crisis facing Britain at the moment.

Nowhere did the nursery manager say that the kids were banned from singing the 'original' words. Nowhere did the story say that this was part of public policy;in fact the opposite was the case.

Good point altho' simu does not condone the use of cattle prods on random AH users.

Terry · 07-03-2006 04:22PM

MorningStar wrote:

Oh so you are conditional racist. If you are Irish and take offense you can complain but if not you can't?
This is not political correctness gone mad but being aware of what you say and how it may casue offense. If somebody pulls you up on something you say that may casue offense and then you go on about how this is your country and they need to change people will consider you a biogot if not a racist. Acting like that and saying that stuff is what racists say so how do you differentiate your view from theirs? So far you are tell us that it is one rule for those from here and another for those not here.

all i'm saying is that if people are going to live here, they need to respect our ways and our customs. calling a child "monkey" is a term of endearment on this island and not a racist slur. if someone finds this offensive, then go ahead and complain. they just need to be told that it's not meant in an offensive way and get over themselves.
if i go to sunderland and call some girl "a ride", i would probably get a kicking because that's their word for "slapper". but the same word is used as a compliment here. ergo, i don't use the word "ride" in reference to a girl in sunderland (yes, this did happen me), but it's acceptable to use it here.
learn the customs of the country you are moving to before you start calling everyone racist.

The Bollox · 07-03-2006 04:28PM

Snickers Man wrote:

Sweet lamb of Jesus, there are some idiots on this thread.

I know we have a rule about attacking the post and not the poster but by God, with about two honourable sceptical exceptions everyone on this post is a gullible splenetic fool ready to take at face value the most idiotic statement just because somebody says he 'heard it on the radio.'

Ironic for a thread about sheep that so many of you are behaving like them. Careful you don't all gambol over a cliff.

Now here's the facts. THERE IS NO BAN ON BAA BAA BLACK SHEEP.

You CAN SING it if you want to.

Nobody gives a ****.

It's NOT racist.

It's removal is NOT part of any local authority policy. Here or in Britain.

WHat has happened, as Marts would know if he bothered to read the story on which his rant is based is that one hypersensitive manager in a nursery in England decided that he would not teach the kids there the traditional wording. For Christ's sake the story carries a quote from a department of education spokesperson saying they dissaprove of nursery rhymes being 'expurgated' in this manner but points out that such decisions are taken at a very local level. ie by the management of an individual nursery.

This is the opinion of one person, blown out of all proportion by crappy Times Journalists who think that the issue of political correctness is the gravest crisis facing Britain at the moment.

Nowhere did the nursery manager say that the kids were banned from singing the 'original' words. Nowhere did the story say that this was part of public policy;in fact the opposite was the case.

Honestly, I favour some very traditional methods for inculcating a respect for the facts of any story into the ultra gulllible sheep brains that are on this thread. A good Cattle prod up the ass perhaps. or a good old fashioned clip on the ear.

OK that's probably me banned but **** it, it needed to be said.

jasus man, take a chill pill, if I wanted to make it a big issue I would have put this thread into a political forum, but did I? no I didn't, I ut it into After Hours, I took it here so I could laugh at it with a few ppl because it is obsurd that anyone even saw it was offensive! I mean I am not gonna deprive my children (please God) of the classic lines I mean I am not gonna sugar coat the fact that Humpty Dumpty was fúcked the second he fell off that wall, I am not gonna say that all he had to do was count to 10. and the very same for that poor black sheep.

I mean I laugh my ass off at the fact that every 5 years or so the term for someone mentally challenged becomes unacceptable and has to be changed, fair enough it is hars calling someone retarded or maybe handicapped, but I don't wanna be saying 5 words like 'poor mentally challened child' when all I need to say is the one. it's bóllox

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simu · 07-03-2006 04:30PM

TBh - that OMG!!!! Look how far people go with over-the-top-PC-ness is tired.

simu · 07-03-2006 04:30PM

phantom_lord wrote:

That is just political correctness gone mad

Point in case - rather yellowpack, no?

And saying it's ironic offers no redemption!

Attol · 07-03-2006 04:32PM

Oh yeah, another one was master and slave become unacceptable terms in the computing world.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/11/26/master.term.reut/

Terry · 07-03-2006 04:41PM

LadyLotts wrote:

Oh yeah, another one was master and slave become unacceptable terms in the computing world.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/11/26/master.term.reut/

more idiotic nonsense from the people who brought you the terms "african american", "italian american", Irish american" etc. these terms do more harm than good. all they do is segregate socities.

Megatron · 07-03-2006 04:46PM

Snickers Man wrote:

Sweet lamb of Jesus, there are some idiots on this thread.

I know we have a rule about attacking the post and not the poster but by God, with about two honourable sceptical exceptions everyone on this post is a gullible splenetic fool ready to take at face value the most idiotic statement just because somebody says he 'heard it on the radio.'

Ironic for a thread about sheep that so many of you are behaving like them. Careful you don't all gambol over a cliff.

Now here's the facts. THERE IS NO BAN ON BAA BAA BLACK SHEEP.

You CAN SING it if you want to.

Nobody gives a ****.

It's NOT racist.

It's removal is NOT part of any local authority policy. Here or in Britain.

WHat has happened, as Marts would know if he bothered to read the story on which his rant is based is that one hypersensitive manager in a nursery in England decided that he would not teach the kids there the traditional wording. For Christ's sake the story carries a quote from a department of education spokesperson saying they dissaprove of nursery rhymes being 'expurgated' in this manner but points out that such decisions are taken at a very local level. ie by the management of an individual nursery.

This is the opinion of one person, blown out of all proportion by crappy Times Journalists who think that the issue of political correctness is the gravest crisis facing Britain at the moment.

Nowhere did the nursery manager say that the kids were banned from singing the 'original' words. Nowhere did the story say that this was part of public policy;in fact the opposite was the case.

Honestly, I favour some very traditional methods for inculcating a respect for the facts of any story into the ultra gulllible sheep brains that are on this thread. A good Cattle prod up the ass perhaps. or a good old fashioned clip on the ear.

OK that's probably me banned but **** it, it needed to be said.

Chill winston ....

I mean come one , people like these sort of threads becaus they get to flame a Idea that someone else had , so they can flame ... but if fell that you need to flame people for expresing disgust/anger/amusment at something that was supposedly said then go ahead...

Just don't expect me to respect you in the morning.

:rolleyes:

Megatron · 07-03-2006 04:47PM

julep wrote:

more idiotic nonsense from the people who brought you the terms "african american", "italian american", Irish american" etc. these terms do more harm than good. all they do is segregate socities.

yeah it could really reinforce the us ( who live here) and them ( who come over here) sterotype :rolleyes:

Terry · 07-03-2006 04:59PM

i don't know where you're coming from with that statement.
my point is, black people fought for equality. their reward was to be labelled "african american". i just see them all as american. black or white or whatever skin tone they identify themselves as having. wouldn't that be equality?

as for the master and slave computer thing. i don't ever recall a company named "microsoft computers and slaves. for all your pc and slave needs".
nobody was ever enslaved by the computer industry in america. the word slave has more than one meaning.
politically correct ****.

Manic Moran · 07-03-2006 05:02PM

On the brainstorm thing, the officially authorised replacement term (in Northern Ireland, at any rate) was 'Thought Showers'

The article seems to refer to a policy in a chain of nurseries, not just one nurser, and also mentions that a city council enacted a similar ban before retracting it.

Meantime, the Sun in the UK reported yesterday that police raided a store that had gollywogs on display in the front window.

NTM

Archeron · 07-03-2006 05:03PM

Daddio wrote:

Blue sheep. That's be pretty cool eh? Blue, wha! No pitfalls there I don't think either.

On behalf of the society for the racial and social integration of Smurfs in Ireland, I hereby request that you withdraw that remark which our members find to be derogatory and insensitive.

Thank you.

MorningStar · 07-03-2006 05:32PM

julep wrote:

learn the customs of the country you are moving to before you start calling everyone racist.

I didn't call anyone a racist just pointing out racist say the same thing as you and you still haven't explained how your view is different. DIfferent rules for different people based on where they are from doesn't sound equal to me.

Snickers Man · 07-03-2006 05:54PM

Megatron wrote:

but if fell that you need to flame people for expresing disgust/anger/amusment at something that was supposedly said then go ahead...

Just don't expect me to respect you in the morning.

Yeah I get het up when people reinforce their belief in something that is untrue by getting into a little circle jerk and swapping stories about what a man in the jacks said.

Here's a useful rule of thumb. Somebody who complains about the prevalence of so-called PC is in all probability a disingenuous fool who can't make a convincing argument based on hte fcts so invents a few and then invites the populace to agree with him.

Either that or they're the sort of scrote who feels genuinely nostalgic for the days when you coudl talk anout ****, Wogs and Coons to your hear's ocontent.

Either way, I'd find it hard to respect them at any time of the day.

Terry · 07-03-2006 05:54PM

it's an Irish custom to call young children "little monkey" as a term of endearment and that shouldn't be questioned just because it might offend someone from another country.
what on earth is racist about that?
i know if i go to another country, i try to educate myself as best as i can to that countries local customs.
are people in other countries racist if they do something that offends me, but is part of their culture? no. of course not.
are people who come over here and bitch about our culture racist? no. they're just ignorant of our way of life. all they have to do is learn how we live and adapt their lifestyle to suit that way of living.
don't like how we live? don't bother moving here. you can't change hundreds of years of tradition just because it might offend one person.
there are parts of Irish tradition that i don't like (orange order marches for one), but i'm not going to try to change them. some people like these ways and who am i to tell them to live their lives in other ways?
suck it up. this is how we live. calling children "little monkey" is what we do. it's not an offensive term in Ireland and this is where you are now.
is it too much to ask that foriegn people who choose to live here learn and respect our way of life or would asking that make me racist? it's hard to tell. i'm afraid the pc police might gang up on me.

stevenmu · 07-03-2006 05:55PM

MorningStar wrote:

I didn't call anyone a racist

And a good thing too, "racist" is a higly offensive term. They're correctly described as being "multi-culturally oblivious"

Megatron · 07-03-2006 06:03PM

Snickers Man wrote:

Yeah I get het up when people reinforce their belief in something that is untrue by getting into a little circle jerk and swapping stories about what a man in the jacks said.

Here's a useful rule of thumb. Somebody who complains about the prevalence of so-called PC is in all probability a disingenuous fool who can't make a convincing argument based on hte fcts so invents a few and then invites the populace to agree with him.

Either that or they're the sort of scrote who feels genuinely nostalgic for the days when you coudl talk anout ****, Wogs and Coons to your hear's ocontent.

Either way, I'd find it hard to respect them at any time of the day.

Ehh ok :rolleyes:

Buddy listen , from the 2 posts i've read , your mind comes across like a razor ... Very sharp , but extremely narrow ...

Could it be that perhaps, just perhaps that some of the people are stuck behind a desk all day , doing a job they dont really enjoy , but do have access to boards.ie and like to vent in different ways .... ?

or perhaps that very fact that my name is Megatron i have a certian blanket to hide behind so i can say anything i want ....

See now we have a possible 4 different type of people who post here , much better than 2 :rolleyes:

Don't be so intollerent , learn to relax and be alike a reid in the wind , bend and flow with the force of the wind , otherwise like the mighty oak , you will snap and end up as IKEA furniture.

Setun · 07-03-2006 06:03PM

Archeron wrote:

On behalf of the society for the racial and social integration of Smurfs in Ireland, I hereby request that you withdraw that remark which our members find to be derogatory and insensitive.

Thank you.

Forgot about those feck!n Smurfs. No blue sheep then

Attol · 07-03-2006 06:06PM

These examples aren't made up. There have been links to most of these cases. It is racist to say blackboard in English schools but you can still say white board. The way baa baa black sheep, which has nothing to do with black people, is deemed unPC is hilarious. The colour black appears to cause offence to people. What should we call it then? It's a colour. Also why aren't we offended by things like white boards?

Terry · 07-03-2006 06:11PM

the funny thing is, it's mostly white people looking to change these things.

Setun · 07-03-2006 06:15PM

LadyLotts wrote:

These examples aren't made up. There have been links to most of these cases. It is racist to say blackboard in English schools but you can still say white board. The way baa baa black sheep, which has nothing to do with black people, is deemed unPC is hilarious. The colour black appears to cause offence to people. What should we call it then? It's a colour. Also why aren't we offended by things like white boards?

Pretty much because it's completely and utterly ridiculous to have to tip-toe around any colour that has any subtle innuendos or suggestive subcontexts. Eventually there'll probs be a huge backlash against this and everything will move the other way.

Baa Baa African American sheep...

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