Baa Baa African American sheep...

The Bollox

I heard on the radio this morning, while en route to college, that the popular childrens song 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' has been now deemed racist, and hence forth should be sang "Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep". I mean what the fúck? I sang 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' when I was younger and I am not a racist. Does this also mean the the phrase 'the black sheep of the family' should be changed to 'the rainbow sheep of the family'?

Kojak

That is political correctness gone mad - I, personally, don't see anything racist about it.

elurhs

And we're lecturing the Muslims on freedom of speech?

Femelade

kids who sing that song are between the ages of 1 and a half and about 3, (well iknow my daughter was sick of it by the time she was 4 anyway)

kids cant be racist at that age..ah and there are such things as "black Sheeps"

what a load of crap.

Binomate

How stupid.

The Bollox

Femmy wrote:

ah and there are such things as "black Sheeps".

perhaps they had a 'million sheep march' :rolleyes:

connundrum

TBH, black refers to the colour of the sheep, not the race of the sheep. If it were a yellow sheep then it would be called a yellow sheep, but we all know that you cannot get yellow sheep (naturally). You can indeed get black or white sheep. I'm guessing that back when the rhyme was created there weren't many black sheep around (as is the case today) and one can imagine that their wool would be quite the precious commodity ie. no need to dye it etc. Hence the inclusion of the black sheep. There may be some other parabelletic meaning to it, but I don't really care anymore.

The whole thing is getting a bit old really.

Riamfada

you know its gone mental when the KKK change their songs

ZiabR

Marts wrote:

I heard on the radio this morning, while en route to college, that the popular childrens song 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' has been now deemed racist, and hence forth should be sang "Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep". I mean what the fúck? I sang 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' when I was younger and I am not a racist. Does this also mean the the phrase 'the black sheep of the family' should be changed to 'the rainbow sheep of the family'?

I dont see anything wrong with Baa Baa Black Sheep. We all sang it when we were young and nothing was said then.

Sifo

yeah ok,

but what about all those black sheep coming over here and stealing our women

Blisterman

Rainbow sheep doesn't even fit the rhythm of the song.

stevenmu

Isn't the term 'rainbow' sheep terribly prejudiced against things which do not currently exist but thanks to genetic engineering may at some point in the future ?

FFS people, things which do not currently exist but thanks to genetic engineering may at some point in the future have rights too !

Hagar

Eeny meeny miney moe, catch a ?????? by the toe...

The sheep thing is mad, but not all kids' rhymes are nice.

po0k

mmmm...lamb chops

Blisterman

Is rainbow sheep not offensive to homosexuals?

connundrum

Hagar wrote:

Eeny meeny miney moe, catch a <piggy> by the toe...

Thats what I learned in school anyways..

Blisterman wrote:

Is rainbow sheep not offensive to homosexuals?

LOL, maybe this sheep would cause more rows?

DonkeyStyle \o/

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baa_Baa_Black_Sheep_(nursery_rhyme)
In 1999, guidelines from Birmingham City Council in England suggested that the rhyme should not be taught in schools because it was seen as racially negative and could cause offense. These guidelines were dropped by the council early in 2000 when black parents described the advice as "ridiculous"

Makes me wonder if this is kind of crap is coming purely from bored white people on some tiresome PC crusade.
God, find some other way to deal with your guilt. :rolleyes:
Why not ask the people if they find it offensive, then change it... or better yet get over it and stop being an uptight shít.
tbh I never even made the whole black-sheep connection with 'black' people... and it makes me wonder what kind of racist it takes to see that song as racist in the first place.

Attol

I live in Birmingham and over here it's ridiculous. No baa baa black sheep, black boards can only be called chalk boards, Christmas is Winterfest and any councils saying otherwise will have funding taken away from them, brainstorming must now be called mind mapping as brainstorming could offend epileptics.

Dermington

is this official? i mean is the playschool curriculum being amended?

because if its just some guy saying it needs to be changed then who cares.

Adam

LadyLotts wrote:

brainstorming must now be called mind mapping as brainstorming could offend epileptics.

ROFL!

rubadub

Ribena- the refreshing rainbowcurrant drink

Surf- now gets your clothes more devoid of colour than ever

MorningStar

Marts wrote:

I sang 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' when I was younger and I am not a racist. Does this also mean the the phrase 'the black sheep of the family' should be changed to 'the rainbow sheep of the family'?

They used to also say a lot of Irish jokes on TV when I was growing up, just because it was acceptable in the past is certainly not a way to judge if it is acceptable now. Gollywogs for example and the Minstreals shows and lyons tea used them for a long time.

It seem quite ridiculous that it has gone to this level but cultural sensitivity is not a PC thing as people think. Some things you find acceptable here simply aren't else where or two other people here.

My friend who is a nurse for years dealing with children siad "come here you little monkey" to a kid like a million times before. The mother went mental becasue she disliked her child being called a monkey. To the mother it was racial issue but in Ireland it was general term used. The nurses have been warned of the dangers of such expressions now. Is that fair enough to you or is that PC gone wild? What about a Paddy wagon should they still use the expression?
Calling somebody a dog is a real big insult in some countries where here it just seems to be a a minor insult. Sucking in through your teeth to others is a massive insult.
Some things will clash and adjustments must be made some will over shoot the mark but many people don't even realise how insulting some things they say are due to education. Is an insult about be gay acceptable? Derrogatery terms do lead to violence and dehumanisation of the peraon and group of people. There are consequences.

Megatron

MorningStar wrote:

There are consequences.

yes i can see it now , the mass revolt of all the SHeep.


The rhym is about the economic stress of Blackwool , as it can't be dyed as easy as white wool can, hence they blacksheep was either just left to it's own devices or culled.

The seriously need to cop on with themselves.

next thing you know Winne the Pooh will be banned as Pooh might offend people :rolleyes:

The_Minister

Are you sure that this isn't a joke?

Sam Vimes

connundrum wrote:

Thats what I learned in school anyways..



LOL, maybe this sheep would cause more rows?

it used to be catch a <negro, but not negro if you know what i mean> by the toe

MorningStar

Megatron wrote:

next thing you know Winne the Pooh will be banned as Pooh might offend people :rolleyes:

It will come as many of the stories are poking fun at him for being fat which will be an issue.

I still think the sheep issue is silly but there are many valid reason to insist on certain changes. People should know this stuff to be able to better insult people on an individual basis.

The Bollox

Firespinner wrote:

Are you sure that this isn't a joke?

satisfied?

Terry

MorningStar wrote:

They used to also say a lot of Irish jokes on TV when I was growing up, just because it was acceptable in the past is certainly not a way to judge if it is acceptable now. Gollywogs for example and the Minstreals shows and lyons tea used them for a long time.

It seem quite ridiculous that it has gone to this level but cultural sensitivity is not a PC thing as people think. Some things you find acceptable here simply aren't else where or two other people here.

My friend who is a nurse for years dealing with children siad "come here you little monkey" to a kid like a million times before. The mother went mental becasue she disliked her child being called a monkey. To the mother it was racial issue but in Ireland it was general term used. The nurses have been warned of the dangers of such expressions now. Is that fair enough to you or is that PC gone wild? What about a Paddy wagon should they still use the expression?
Calling somebody a dog is a real big insult in some countries where here it just seems to be a a minor insult. Sucking in through your teeth to others is a massive insult.
Some things will clash and adjustments must be made some will over shoot the mark but many people don't even realise how insulting some things they say are due to education. Is an insult about be gay acceptable? Derrogatery terms do lead to violence and dehumanisation of the peraon and group of people. There are consequences.

there are still Irish jokes on tv. check out the paramount comedy channel and those little vignettes they do between shows. they offend me. not because they make Irish people out to be stupid, but because they are really crappy jokes. i'm still not going to complain to the channel though.

as for the monkey incident. yes, it's a comm,on term used here and if people are going to come to this country, then they need to learn our customs and respect them, not dictate to us what they deem acceptable.

Four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie.

mammy, what's a rainbow?
it's something with lots of colours in it.
then why doesn't the rainbow sheep have lots of colours?

*Tripper*

Personally, i think it has a good ring to it.

Setun

I can't believe that. Rainbow sheep? FFS like.

How many other nursery rhymes in accordance will have to be changed aswell?

What about the 3 Blind Mice???

Ok all together now:
# 3 visually challenged mice,
3 visually challenged mice,
see how they run #

Terry

Baa, baa, black sheep
Have you any wool?
Yes sir, Yes sir,
Three bags full:
One for my master,
And one for his dame,
And one for the little boy
Who lives down the lane.
the entire thing should be banned. the master part denotes ownership.

lyrics courtesy of india parenting

Angels

Should we not be saying brown sheep ??? oh but sur who would that be racist against??
This world is changing for the worst if we are forced to change words in simple rhymes to please other races!!

MorningStar

julep wrote:

there are still Irish jokes on tv. check out the paramount comedy channel and those little vignettes they do between shows. they offend me. not because they make Irish people out to be stupid, but because they are really crappy jokes. i'm still not going to complain to the channel though.

Blokes on the street telling jokes is not the same and I have yet to hear one that is offensive to Irish people.

julep wrote:

as for the monkey incident. yes, it's a comm,on term used here and if people are going to come to this country, then they need to learn our customs and respect them, not dictate to us what they deem acceptable.

Well there you go you want to know if you are racist or not here is a good indicator that you have a problem. They have a right to enter our country and not be offended. People aren't coming here to tell us what way to do things or say things. If you want to have people agree with your views I suggest you go here

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=41

I mean that in all seriousness. They say the same things as you.
People aren't coming here and telling us what they deem acceptable we are realising what we say can casue offense. Society is changing and your view of who has the right to respect is changing. Some people would call you an out and out racist which is an overreaction to what you have said. So you know we the Irish people agreed that every European citizen has equal rights in this country so while the view that they don't have the same rights or to suggest they shouldn't is skating on being illegal.

Setun

Blue sheep. That's be pretty cool eh? Blue, wha! No pitfalls there I don't think either.

Terry

my point there was that child care workers should be told not to call children monkies because it might offend people who are not Irish. it's a simple 'when in rome' situation.
i've no problem with foriegn people coming here to live (as i've pointed out in many other threads), just as long as they don't try to tell me what i can and can't say.
this is more political correctness gone wrong.
what's the problem with calling one child a little monkey, if you're going to call all children little monkies? there is absolutely no discrimination there. all i see is a case of reverse discrimination against the child care worker.

MorningStar

julep wrote:

i've no problem with foriegn people coming here to live (as i've pointed out in many other threads), just as long as they don't try to tell me what i can and can't say.

Oh so you are conditional racist. If you are Irish and take offense you can complain but if not you can't?
This is not political correctness gone mad but being aware of what you say and how it may casue offense. If somebody pulls you up on something you say that may casue offense and then you go on about how this is your country and they need to change people will consider you a biogot if not a racist. Acting like that and saying that stuff is what racists say so how do you differentiate your view from theirs? So far you are tell us that it is one rule for those from here and another for those not here.

Snickers Man

Sweet lamb of Jesus, there are some idiots on this thread.

I know we have a rule about attacking the post and not the poster but by God, with about two honourable sceptical exceptions everyone on this post is a gullible splenetic fool ready to take at face value the most idiotic statement just because somebody says he 'heard it on the radio.'

Ironic for a thread about sheep that so many of you are behaving like them. Careful you don't all gambol over a cliff.

Now here's the facts. THERE IS NO BAN ON BAA BAA BLACK SHEEP.

You CAN SING it if you want to.

Nobody gives a ****.

It's NOT racist.

It's removal is NOT part of any local authority policy. Here or in Britain.

WHat has happened, as Marts would know if he bothered to read the story on which his rant is based is that one hypersensitive manager in a nursery in England decided that he would not teach the kids there the traditional wording. For Christ's sake the story carries a quote from a department of education spokesperson saying they dissaprove of nursery rhymes being 'expurgated' in this manner but points out that such decisions are taken at a very local level. ie by the management of an individual nursery.


This is the opinion of one person, blown out of all proportion by crappy Times Journalists who think that the issue of political correctness is the gravest crisis facing Britain at the moment.

Nowhere did the nursery manager say that the kids were banned from singing the 'original' words. Nowhere did the story say that this was part of public policy;in fact the opposite was the case.


Honestly, I favour some very traditional methods for inculcating a respect for the facts of any story into the ultra gulllible sheep brains that are on this thread. A good Cattle prod up the ass perhaps. or a good old fashioned clip on the ear.


OK that's probably me banned but **** it, it needed to be said.

MorningStar

Did anybody actually say they though banning "black Sheep" was a good idea?

netwhizkid

What next ene meny mine mow, cath a *Tiger* by the toe, Will that be changed for fear of sterotyping Cats

It is politcal correctness gone mad

Mossy Monk

how much longer before the PC brigade begin to implode on themselves

simu

Snickers Man wrote:

Sweet lamb of Jesus, there are some idiots on this thread.

I know we have a rule about attacking the post and not the poster but by God, with about two honourable sceptical exceptions everyone on this post is a gullible splenetic fool ready to take at face value the most idiotic statement just because somebody says he 'heard it on the radio.'

Ironic for a thread about sheep that so many of you are behaving like them. Careful you don't all gambol over a cliff.

Now here's the facts. THERE IS NO BAN ON BAA BAA BLACK SHEEP.

You CAN SING it if you want to.

Nobody gives a ****.

It's NOT racist.

It's removal is NOT part of any local authority policy. Here or in Britain.

WHat has happened, as Marts would know if he bothered to read the story on which his rant is based is that one hypersensitive manager in a nursery in England decided that he would not teach the kids there the traditional wording. For Christ's sake the story carries a quote from a department of education spokesperson saying they dissaprove of nursery rhymes being 'expurgated' in this manner but points out that such decisions are taken at a very local level. ie by the management of an individual nursery.


This is the opinion of one person, blown out of all proportion by crappy Times Journalists who think that the issue of political correctness is the gravest crisis facing Britain at the moment.

Nowhere did the nursery manager say that the kids were banned from singing the 'original' words. Nowhere did the story say that this was part of public policy;in fact the opposite was the case.

Good point altho' simu does not condone the use of cattle prods on random AH users.

Terry

MorningStar wrote:

Oh so you are conditional racist. If you are Irish and take offense you can complain but if not you can't?
This is not political correctness gone mad but being aware of what you say and how it may casue offense. If somebody pulls you up on something you say that may casue offense and then you go on about how this is your country and they need to change people will consider you a biogot if not a racist. Acting like that and saying that stuff is what racists say so how do you differentiate your view from theirs? So far you are tell us that it is one rule for those from here and another for those not here.

all i'm saying is that if people are going to live here, they need to respect our ways and our customs. calling a child "monkey" is a term of endearment on this island and not a racist slur. if someone finds this offensive, then go ahead and complain. they just need to be told that it's not meant in an offensive way and get over themselves.
if i go to sunderland and call some girl "a ride", i would probably get a kicking because that's their word for "slapper". but the same word is used as a compliment here. ergo, i don't use the word "ride" in reference to a girl in sunderland (yes, this did happen me), but it's acceptable to use it here.
learn the customs of the country you are moving to before you start calling everyone racist.

The Bollox

Snickers Man wrote:

Sweet lamb of Jesus, there are some idiots on this thread.

I know we have a rule about attacking the post and not the poster but by God, with about two honourable sceptical exceptions everyone on this post is a gullible splenetic fool ready to take at face value the most idiotic statement just because somebody says he 'heard it on the radio.'

Ironic for a thread about sheep that so many of you are behaving like them. Careful you don't all gambol over a cliff.

Now here's the facts. THERE IS NO BAN ON BAA BAA BLACK SHEEP.

You CAN SING it if you want to.

Nobody gives a ****.

It's NOT racist.

It's removal is NOT part of any local authority policy. Here or in Britain.

WHat has happened, as Marts would know if he bothered to read the story on which his rant is based is that one hypersensitive manager in a nursery in England decided that he would not teach the kids there the traditional wording. For Christ's sake the story carries a quote from a department of education spokesperson saying they dissaprove of nursery rhymes being 'expurgated' in this manner but points out that such decisions are taken at a very local level. ie by the management of an individual nursery.


This is the opinion of one person, blown out of all proportion by crappy Times Journalists who think that the issue of political correctness is the gravest crisis facing Britain at the moment.

Nowhere did the nursery manager say that the kids were banned from singing the 'original' words. Nowhere did the story say that this was part of public policy;in fact the opposite was the case.


Honestly, I favour some very traditional methods for inculcating a respect for the facts of any story into the ultra gulllible sheep brains that are on this thread. A good Cattle prod up the ass perhaps. or a good old fashioned clip on the ear.


OK that's probably me banned but **** it, it needed to be said.

jasus man, take a chill pill, if I wanted to make it a big issue I would have put this thread into a political forum, but did I? no I didn't, I ut it into After Hours, I took it here so I could laugh at it with a few ppl because it is obsurd that anyone even saw it was offensive! I mean I am not gonna deprive my children (please God) of the classic lines I mean I am not gonna sugar coat the fact that Humpty Dumpty was fúcked the second he fell off that wall, I am not gonna say that all he had to do was count to 10. and the very same for that poor black sheep.

I mean I laugh my ass off at the fact that every 5 years or so the term for someone mentally challenged becomes unacceptable and has to be changed, fair enough it is hars calling someone retarded or maybe handicapped, but I don't wanna be saying 5 words like 'poor mentally challened child' when all I need to say is the one. it's bóllox

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simu

TBh - that OMG!!!! Look how far people go with over-the-top-PC-ness is tired.

simu

phantom_lord wrote:

That is just political correctness gone mad

Point in case - rather yellowpack, no?


And saying it's ironic offers no redemption!

Attol

Oh yeah, another one was master and slave become unacceptable terms in the computing world.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/11/26/master.term.reut/

Terry

LadyLotts wrote:

Oh yeah, another one was master and slave become unacceptable terms in the computing world.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/11/26/master.term.reut/

more idiotic nonsense from the people who brought you the terms "african american", "italian american", Irish american" etc. these terms do more harm than good. all they do is segregate socities.

Megatron

Snickers Man wrote:

Sweet lamb of Jesus, there are some idiots on this thread.

I know we have a rule about attacking the post and not the poster but by God, with about two honourable sceptical exceptions everyone on this post is a gullible splenetic fool ready to take at face value the most idiotic statement just because somebody says he 'heard it on the radio.'

Ironic for a thread about sheep that so many of you are behaving like them. Careful you don't all gambol over a cliff.

Now here's the facts. THERE IS NO BAN ON BAA BAA BLACK SHEEP.

You CAN SING it if you want to.

Nobody gives a ****.

It's NOT racist.

It's removal is NOT part of any local authority policy. Here or in Britain.

WHat has happened, as Marts would know if he bothered to read the story on which his rant is based is that one hypersensitive manager in a nursery in England decided that he would not teach the kids there the traditional wording. For Christ's sake the story carries a quote from a department of education spokesperson saying they dissaprove of nursery rhymes being 'expurgated' in this manner but points out that such decisions are taken at a very local level. ie by the management of an individual nursery.


This is the opinion of one person, blown out of all proportion by crappy Times Journalists who think that the issue of political correctness is the gravest crisis facing Britain at the moment.

Nowhere did the nursery manager say that the kids were banned from singing the 'original' words. Nowhere did the story say that this was part of public policy;in fact the opposite was the case.


Honestly, I favour some very traditional methods for inculcating a respect for the facts of any story into the ultra gulllible sheep brains that are on this thread. A good Cattle prod up the ass perhaps. or a good old fashioned clip on the ear.


OK that's probably me banned but **** it, it needed to be said.

Chill winston ....

I mean come one , people like these sort of threads becaus they get to flame a Idea that someone else had , so they can flame ... but if fell that you need to flame people for expresing disgust/anger/amusment at something that was supposedly said then go ahead...

Just don't expect me to respect you in the morning.

:rolleyes:

Megatron

julep wrote:

more idiotic nonsense from the people who brought you the terms "african american", "italian american", Irish american" etc. these terms do more harm than good. all they do is segregate socities.

yeah it could really reinforce the us ( who live here) and them ( who come over here) sterotype :rolleyes:

Terry

i don't know where you're coming from with that statement.
my point is, black people fought for equality. their reward was to be labelled "african american". i just see them all as american. black or white or whatever skin tone they identify themselves as having. wouldn't that be equality?

as for the master and slave computer thing. i don't ever recall a company named "microsoft computers and slaves. for all your pc and slave needs".
nobody was ever enslaved by the computer industry in america. the word slave has more than one meaning.
politically correct ****.

Manic Moran

On the brainstorm thing, the officially authorised replacement term (in Northern Ireland, at any rate) was 'Thought Showers'

The article seems to refer to a policy in a chain of nurseries, not just one nurser, and also mentions that a city council enacted a similar ban before retracting it.

Meantime, the Sun in the UK reported yesterday that police raided a store that had gollywogs on display in the front window.

NTM