Gary Glitter just got 3 years

Binomate · 04-03-2006 11:46PM

zippo22 wrote:

If you want to get Jesuitical about it what right has the judge to deprive him of his freedom ?

None. I don't believe in punishment. He should be removed from society and helped untill he is no longer a threat to children.

Binomate · 04-03-2006 11:48PM

OLDYELLAR wrote:

Well as far as I can remember Im entitled to voice my opinion and my opinion is that paedophiles that go and molest kids and have sex with kids and take the innocense from them and ruin their lives should be killed in the most disgusting way possible , I couldnt give 2 sh*ts where other people stand on the matter , this is MY opionion and Im entitled to state it whenever and wherver I like.

I dont decide who lives or who dies because Im not god but if you think Im that powerful then great but as far as I remember me thinking somebody should die doesnt actually kill them and even if the likes of Gary glitter or another paedo did die tonight I most certainly wouldnt loose one wink of sleep over it So to Remind you of MY opinion , paedos should be put down.

It was a hypothetical question. I was asking it as if you were in the place of the judge and you had the power to do it. I am aware that you are entitled to your opinion. I just don't agree with your opinion.

zippo22 · 05-03-2006 12:01AM

Binomate wrote:

None. I don't believe in punishment. He should be removed from society and helped untill he is no longer a threat to children.

I think you'll find that "removing from society" is what imprisonment actually is.

Binomate · 05-03-2006 12:41AM

zippo22 wrote:

I think you'll find that "removing from society" is what imprisonment actually is.

Yes, but I don't agree that it should be for punishment purposes. I think it should be for safety reasons only.

zippo22 · 05-03-2006 12:49AM

Binomate wrote:

No, people who rape and have sex with children should be subject to punishment.

You've changed your mind then ?

OLDYELLAR · 05-03-2006 12:49AM

Well at this stage and especially after the smirk on the bastid last night on the news when they showed him getting taken away lets hope he gets the living piss beat out of him in prison.

How much did he pay the girls families again? A grand was it , the bastid should never see the light of day again , How the F did it go from him potentially getting the death sentence to him getting off almost scot free anyway? If its all a conspiracy why would he pay the families anything? Was he not done for child porn before so obviously he has a history of being a paedo so instead of getting this guy off the streets for as long as possible they give him a really short sentence , Its sick , he`ll be out soon and no doubt he`ll worm his way in somewhere that he has access to kids and ruin more lifes , the whole thing makes me seriously sick and really angry.

zippo22 · 05-03-2006 12:54AM

I heard the British police had observers at the trial and there's a good chance that when he's finished his stay in the Vietnamese jail and deported back to Britain they'll be waiting to lift him. Hopefully he won't live that long.

Binomate · 05-03-2006 02:04AM

zippo22 wrote:

You've changed your mind then ?

Way to take it out of context. I was correcting what someone else said. Someone said that pedophiles should have their hands cut off. I presumed they were talking about people who have sex with children since that is what the case is. Pedophilia is a mental disorder. There is nothing wrong with that. It's having sex with children that is wrong. I was setting aside the difference between someone who has sex with a child and a pedophile. The last part was not important.

Terry · 05-03-2006 03:22AM

i have a mental disorder (agorophobia), but i have sought help for this.
why didn't he seek help instead of going to paedophile heaven?
i mean, surely someone pointed this problem out to him after being caught the first time and surely he oculd have sought help upon realising he had a problem. he only has himself to blame.

zippo22 · 05-03-2006 10:44AM

Binomate wrote:

It should have been at least 10 years. I supose at least he didn't get the firing squad.

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zippo22 · 05-03-2006 10:49AM

Binomate wrote:

Way to take it out of context. I was correcting what someone else said. Someone said that pedophiles should have their hands cut off. I presumed they were talking about people who have sex with children since that is what the case is. Pedophilia is a mental disorder. There is nothing wrong with that. It's having sex with children that is wrong. I was setting aside the difference between someone who has sex with a child and a pedophile. The last part was not important.

But YOU don't believe in punishment. ( You say the last part was not important. But the "last part" as you call it was the whole part of your post.)

Ciaran500 · 05-03-2006 10:59AM

julep wrote:

i have a mental disorder (agorophobia), but i have sought help for this.
why didn't he seek help instead of going to paedophile heaven?
i mean, surely someone pointed this problem out to him after being caught the first time and surely he oculd have sought help upon realising he had a problem. he only has himself to blame.

But how can you class sexual preference as a mental dissorder? Do gay people have a mental dissorder?

I'm not defending what he did, but its not as simple as you make out.

Bard · 05-03-2006 11:11AM

Binomate wrote:

None. I don't believe in punishment. He should be removed from society and helped untill he is no longer a threat to children.

A couple of bullets in the head would be a fairly efficient and economical way of "removing him from society and helping him until he is no longer a threat to children" (assuming of course that society believes he'll never stop being a threat to children... which is probably true)

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1214074,00.html

Terry · 05-03-2006 01:07PM

Ciaran500 wrote:

But how can you class sexual preference as a mental dissorder? Do gay people have a mental dissorder?

I'm not defending what he did, but its not as simple as you make out.

first off, i never claimed it was a mental disorder. that was a response to binomate, who did say that it was a mental disorder. secondly, i made my feelings clear on what his punishment should have been on the first page of this thread.

Binomate · 05-03-2006 01:33PM

Ciaran500 wrote:

But how can you class sexual preference as a mental dissorder? Do gay people have a mental dissorder?

I'm not defending what he did, but its not as simple as you make out.

It's not sexual preference. It's an illness that makes you attracted to children. Homosexuals aren't born with homosexual brains. They turn that way for what ever reason. They might not notice turning that way but it's not a physical thing. Homosexuality can be changed. People can be turned straight. Pedophiles can't be changed, they can only be shown how to contain their sexual urges and be taught that it is wrong to have sex with children.

Binomate · 05-03-2006 01:41PM

zippo22 wrote:

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I let my emotions get the better of me there.

Terry · 05-03-2006 01:52PM

Binomate wrote:

It's not sexual preference. It's an illness that makes you attracted to children. Homosexuals aren't born with homosexual brains. They turn that way for what ever reason. They might not notice turning that way but it's not a physical thing. Homosexuality can be changed. People can be turned straight. Pedophiles can't be changed, they can only be shown how to contain their sexual urges and be taught that it is wrong to have sex with children.

there's a cure for 'the gay'?

Auburn · 05-03-2006 03:02PM

Binomate wrote:

It's not sexual preference. It's an illness that makes you attracted to children. Homosexuals aren't born with homosexual brains. They turn that way for what ever reason. They might not notice turning that way but it's not a physical thing. Homosexuality can be changed. People can be turned straight. Pedophiles can't be changed, they can only be shown how to contain their sexual urges and be taught that it is wrong to have sex with children.

:rolleyes:

Binomate · 05-03-2006 03:04PM

julep wrote:

there's a cure for 'the gay'?

There is nothing to be cured. You can how ever turn a gay person straight.

Auburn · 05-03-2006 03:10PM

Binomate wrote:

There is nothing to be cured. You can how ever turn a gay person straight.

This thread is going completely off-topic (:eek:) but out of curiosity I have to ask, how do you do this?

zippo22 · 05-03-2006 03:15PM

julep wrote:

there's a cure for 'the gay'?

Don't be surprised by this balderdash. After all this is the same person who believes that Glitter A: Should have got ten years at least, B: Bets that Glitter will move to Iran and settle down with a nice six year old, C: That child rapists etc. should be subject to punishment,

That Glitter needs help not firing squad, E: that no judge has the right to decide if Glitter lives or dies. (excepting Binomate of course who has decided he must be let live.) , F: the judge has no right to imprison Glitter , binomate doesn't believe in punishment, G: Glitter should be jailed (but not for punishment purposes.) ,H: and that homosexuality can be changed and paedophilia cannot.
I can't believe how stupid I've been to even engage in discussion with such an inconsistent idiot. More fool me. He/She obviously posts here just for the sake of posting. So long Binomate. You're just a time waster.

Binomate · 05-03-2006 03:24PM

Auburn wrote:

This thread is going completely off-topic (:eek:) but out of curiosity I have to ask, how do you do this?

I don't know how it is done. There are camps set up in America (more like concentration camps) where priests take homosexual teenagers on and turn them heterosexual. It's not very nice and In my opinion it shouldn't be done, but the point is it can be done.

Auburn · 05-03-2006 03:30PM

Binomate wrote:

I don't know how it is done. There are camps set up in America (more like concentration camps) where priests take homosexual teenagers on and turn them heterosexual. It's not very nice and In my opinion it shouldn't be done, but the point is it can be done.

LOL! Concentration camps run by priests trying to turn people heterosexual you say. Deadly.

Seriously, are you having a laugh or just being naieve what? Sexual preference of any kind, be it homosexuality, heterosexuality, paedophilia, etc. etc. is not something that is a choice.

Binomate · 05-03-2006 03:32PM

zippo22 wrote:

Don't be surprised by this balderdash. After all this is the same person who believes that Glitter A: Should have got ten years at least,

That's what happens when your judgment gets clouded with your emotions.

zippo22 wrote:

B: Bets that Glitter will move to Iran and settle down with a nice six year old

Yes, that was a joke. I was taking the piss out of muhammed.

zippo22 wrote:

C: That child rapists etc. should be subject to punishment,

They should be taken out of circulation to remove the threat of them raping someone else.

zippo22 wrote:

That Glitter needs help not firing squad,

Yes, he needs help. He obviously has a problem.

zippo22 wrote:

E: that no judge has the right to decide if Glitter lives or dies. (excepting Binomate of course who has decided he must be let live.)

Yes, no judge should have the right to take someones life.

zippo22 wrote:

F: the judge has no right to imprison Glitter

Should have no right to improson glitter for the purposes of punishment, rather the removal from society to be helped with his problem and so that he is no longer a threat.

zippo22 wrote:

binomate doesn't believe in punishment

Yep. What good does it do?

zippo22 wrote:

G: Glitter should be jailed (but not for punishment purposes.)

Yes, removed from society. If that means jail time then so be it.

zipo22 wrote:

H: and that homosexuality can be changed and paedophilia cannot.

Correct.

zippo22 wrote:

I can't believe how stupid I've been to even engage in discussion with such an inconsistent idiot. More fool me. He/She obviously posts here just for the sake of posting. So long Binomate. You're just a time waster.

Don't call me an idiot.

zippo22 · 05-03-2006 03:34PM

Auburn wrote:

LOL! Concentration camps run by priests trying to turn people heterosexual you say. Deadly.

Seriously, are you having a laugh or just being naieve what? Sexual preference of any kind, be it homosexuality, heterosexuality, paedophilia, etc. etc. is not something that is a choice.

The really sad thing is I don't think Binomate is having a laugh. I think he or she REALLY is that thick!

Binomate · 05-03-2006 03:37PM

Auburn wrote:

LOL! Concentration camps run by priests trying to turn people heterosexual you say. Deadly.

I never said they were concentration camps. I said they were like concentration camps. They have very strict rules. You can't spend any more than five minutes alone at any one time. I remember reading an article about them one in the LGB board on this very forum. They exist and it can be done, end of story.

Auburn wrote:

Seriously, are you having a laugh or just being naieve what? Sexual preference of any kind, be it homosexuality, heterosexuality, paedophilia, etc. etc. is not something that is a choice.

Science begs to differ. Pedophiles are born destined to be attracted to children. People who are homosexual were not born destined to be attracted to the same sex.

Binomate · 05-03-2006 03:42PM

zippo22 wrote:

The really sad thing is I don't think Binomate is having a laugh. I think he or she REALLY is that thick!

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders states that pedophilia is a mental disorder. This is written by The American Psychiatric Association. I think they might know a bit more about this field than you do.

zippo22 · 05-03-2006 03:46PM

Binomate wrote:

Don't call me an idiot.

How about inconsistent "run with the hare, hunt with the hound" idiot then ?

Binomate · 05-03-2006 03:50PM

Point out where I'm being inconsistent please. I've explained any you've shown me so far.

Auburn · 05-03-2006 03:51PM

Binomate wrote:

I never said they were concentration camps. I said they were like concentration camps. They have very strict rules. You can't spend any more than five minutes alone at any one time. I remember reading an article about them one in the LGB board on this very forum. They exist and it can be done, end of story.

Well the Americans think boot camps are the answer to everything don't they? Just because people can be forced to act a certain way doesn't mean that the inbuilt desire is not there. Is a gay person who has a relationship with a person of the opposite sex now not gay anymore? Do they stop being attracted to members of the same sex? I don't think so.

Binomate wrote:

Science begs to differ. Pedophiles are born destined to be attracted to children. People who are homosexual were not born destined to be attracted to the same sex.

If you say so. It hasn't been proven. Every single gene and it's effect on the human body has not been studied in depth yet.

zippo22 wrote:

The really sad thing is I don't think Binomate is having a laugh. I think he or she REALLY is that thick!

Unfortunately I think you may be right

Gary Glitter just got 3 years

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