Muslim cartoon

Sauron · 21-02-2006 08:07PM

Binomate wrote:

You mean the way the Simpsons and Family Guy have done so? Or Father Ted?

First of all,

Father Ted = Irish
Family Guy, (Seth MacFarlane) = Irish catholic

I realise that it's a rough connection with the American shows, but on the one hand, you could say that we've become so "westernised", that these shows, sort of fit in with our culture, so they aren't so foreign.

On the other, we don't exactly have any sort of Predjudice against the shows or the creators of the shows, i.e., we don't really have many negative feelings towards Matt Groening, or Seth MacFarlane. Most of us think they're pretty damn funny, so we respect them... and they do rip the piss out of american culture too.

And, there is a profoundly anti-western sentiment in countries like Saudi Arabia. Who worse to be insulted by than those who you view as below you?

I was just trying to alter the view point a bit, I still think it's insane to react so violently.

InFront · 21-02-2006 08:34PM

robinph wrote:

They are mostly annoyed with the fact that someone dared to draw a picture that is suposedly of Mohammed aren't they?

no:rolleyes: most people are annoyed about the depiction of islam, while nobody likes it, the drawing of Muhammad is not the bigger concern here, it's the insinuations that are made by these cartoons that is causing most people to protest.

robinph · 21-02-2006 09:16PM

This page seems to give a run down of what happened when:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4708216.stm

BBC News wrote:

On 17 October, a curious thing happened. Six of the cartoons were prominently reprinted in an Egyptian newspaper, al-Fagr. The paper said they were racist and would insult Muslims everywhere and predicted an outcry. However, at this stage, nothing happened on the streets. There was no public outcry.

But then someone added a photo of the winner of a pig-squealing contest from France to the collection of cartoons and it all started to kick off properly then.

Hagar · 21-02-2006 09:24PM

An Indian state minister has offered a reward of more than $10 million and a prospective killer's weight in gold

Bathtubgirl FTW

@ Infront I like your sig. Who's the other one?

*Tripper* · 21-02-2006 09:39PM

I thought it was ment to be a picture off someone taking a hit off a bong?????

Capt'n Midnight · 22-02-2006 01:30AM

robinph wrote:

This page seems to give a run down of what happened when:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4708216.stm

But then someone added a photo of the winner of a pig-squealing contest from France to the collection of cartoons and it all started to kick off properly then.

The 'non-cartoons'

The three extra drawings were said to have been sent to Muslims in Denmark as insults. However one of them, apparently showing the prophet with the face of a pig, has been traced to a photo of the winner of a pig-squealing contest in the French Pyrenees last summer.

It remains unclear as to how this last picture, a grey photocopy, came to such prominence but it does seem to have played a role in the raising of the temperature.

The crisis has exposed the fragility of relations between the West and Muslim countries
The delegation spokesman, Ahmed Akkari, said they pointed out the status of the different pictures on their travels but the "pigface" photocopy was later filmed in Gaza at the end of January when gunmen took over EU offices, and s

It would be interesting to find out who associated that picture with the others. As that could be the real incitement rather than the original ones that seemed to have passed with too much notice before.

Binomate · 22-02-2006 01:47AM

I've just been threathned with a lawsuit from some angry muslim because I have one of the cartoons hosted on my college webspace linked to my blog, LOL! I don't think I'll be removing it any time soon.

Terry · 22-02-2006 02:56AM

Sauron wrote:

Family Guy, (Seth MacFarlane) = Irish catholic

no. seth mcfarlane is american. he's about as Irish as margaret thatcher.

Indian minister said offering $10m for beheading cartoonist

exactly what i would expect of a peaceful and benevolent religion. [/sarcasm]

i don't know if anyone has seen it, but there is a filler show on the paramount comedy channel. it has these two english guys walking the streets and offering £1 for a good joke.
two of the jokes shown are completely racist because they make the Irish people out to be complete idiots. they have been airing for well over a year now and if enough people complained, they wouldn't be shown again.
i couldn't give a damn about them though. for one, they are crap jokes and secondly, they really make those telling them look stupid.
i don't see Irish people going to ballsbridge and burning down the british embassey over them though.

one last thing. i'll start taking these so called peaceful muslims seriously when they protest outside the palestinian embassies the next time a suicide bomber kills israeli's in the name of islam.

HelterSkelter · 22-02-2006 11:21AM

julep wrote:

haven't seen much on the tv news, mostly pictures in the papers. didn't see any women in the pictures i saw. i'm not saying there were not women present, just asking if they were there.

Well I happen to know two women who were at the protest. I also saw the coverage on BBC News 24 and they interviewed two women and a couple of men. What is your point anyway?

Binomate · 22-02-2006 12:44PM

Kudos to the guy threathning to sue me. He has procededin getting my account disabled. Can't wait to get it back up again since hosting the images was perfectly legal and in accordance with the rules of my colleges hosting policy.

robinph · 22-02-2006 12:50PM

The Times has a report on how the Catholics are now all starting to kick off in retaliation to Tom Hanks new film:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22369-2049788,00.html

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madrab · 22-02-2006 01:01PM

Kojak wrote:

Jesus, that would go down well. :rolleyes:

jesus going down on muhammed?

interesting idea

Terry · 22-02-2006 01:49PM

HelterSkelter wrote:

Well I happen to know two women who were at the protest. I also saw the coverage on BBC News 24 and they interviewed two women and a couple of men. What is your point anyway?

no point really. just wondering if there were any women there.

ravenhead · 22-02-2006 02:08PM

HelterSkelter wrote:

Cop on would ya. Going by your logic all Christians are terrorists because George Bush killed so many people in Iraq, and he's a Christian.

???? How do you make that out? I said that they weren't doing themselves any favours by offering rewards to kill people?????

HelterSkelter · 22-02-2006 03:20PM

ravenhead wrote:

???? How do you make that out? I said that they weren't doing themselves any favours by offering rewards to kill people?????

You said

they can't understand why most of the world conciders them terrorists,they're not doing anything to help change peoples view of them

My point is just because one person of a particular religion does something wrong/crazy it doesn't mean every one in that religion is the same.

From the times article robinph linked to above

A Lyons priest today offered half a million euros and a top-of-the-line Toyota as a reward to anyone who killed Dan Brown or any executive of the Da Vinci Code publishers, Jonathan Cape. Speaking to a 1,000-strong crowd gathered after Mass outside the church of St Marie-la-Vierge, Fr Jules Monbiot announced that the offer was “a unanimous decision by all bishops that whoever insults the one true Church deserves to be killed, and whoever will take this insulting man to his end will get this prize”.

This doesn't mean all Christians are murderers no more than all muslims are murderers (or terrorists) just because a couple of crazy clerics call for the killing of the cartoonist.

ravenhead · 22-02-2006 03:43PM

HelterSkelter wrote:

You said

My point is just because one person of a particular religion does something wrong/crazy it doesn't mean every one in that religion is the same.

From the times article robinph linked to above

This doesn't mean all Christians are murderers no more than all muslims are murderers (or terrorists) just because a couple of crazy clerics call for the killing of the cartoonist.

Very good point, I have to completely agree with you, What I can't understand is that some Islamic people can't see why the world has this view of them. As you know Islamic people are protrayed a certain way in the media. What 'm saying is that they have done very little to change the way that they are being protrayed. I mean if the protests had been peaceful it would have shown them in a different light & maybe people would listen to them but speaking for myself I know that when I see scenes like that I the news I turn over because it's just another voilent Islamic thing, the same way that when all the troubles were going on up the north I turned over when it was on the news because I had seen it all before & there was nothing new ab out it, It's only since things calmed down a bit that i've listen to what's going on, there's just so much voilence you can look at in the news before people just turn over ... if their leaders had addressed this properly people would have listened

Terry · 22-02-2006 03:44PM

i can't be 100% sure, but i have a sneaking suspicion that the article was a bit satirical. just a bit.

HelterSkelter · 22-02-2006 03:50PM

ravenhead wrote:

Very good point, I have to completely agree with you, What I can't understand is that some Islamic people can't see why the world has this view of them. As you know Islamic people are protrayed a certain way in the media. What 'm saying is that they have done very little to change the way that they are being protrayed. I mean if the protests had been peaceful it would have shown them in a different light & maybe people would listen to them but speaking for myself I know that when I see scenes like that I the news I turn over because it's just another voilent Islamic thing

The thing is the media always focus in on any violence that Muslims are involved in. The protest in London was a peaceful protest, and apart from protesting about the cartoons another reason it was held was to protest against the Muslims who were involved in violent protests in other parts of the world. That protest didn't get a whole lot of media coverage. There are 1.6 million Muslims living in the UK. If it really was a violent religion I'm sure there would be a lot more trouble there and would be on Sky News every night.

HelterSkelter · 22-02-2006 03:53PM

julep wrote:

i can't be 100% sure, but i have a sneaking suspicion that the article was a bit satirical. just a bit.

Oops, that just destroyed part of my argument!

ravenhead · 22-02-2006 04:17PM

julep wrote:

i can't be 100% sure, but i have a sneaking suspicion that the article was a bit satirical. just a bit.

Yeah helterskelter!!!! Have you a better arguement than this???

robinph · 22-02-2006 04:21PM

julep wrote:

i can't be 100% sure, but i have a sneaking suspicion that the article was a bit satirical. just a bit.

Which bit gave it away.

HelterSkelter · 22-02-2006 04:39PM

My point still stands though, that is you cannot judge a whole religion on a minority of people causing trouble. There are plenty of violent Christians in the world and we don't tar all Christians with the same brush so we shouldn't do the same to Muslims. George Bush proclaims to be a Christian. Does that mean that all Christians are lying warmongers??

Terry · 22-02-2006 05:04PM

i think most people, not only here, but on the entire face of the planet, would agree that the u.s. led invasion of iraq was wrong.
nobody here (that i've seen anyway) is saying that all muslims are evil. we are, for the most part, saying that muslims are not doing themselves any favours by saying that islam promotes peace and then burning down embassies and sending suicide bombers (anyone remember "homicide bombers". i thought that name was hilariously paradoxical onb the part of americans) in to kill innocent people.
i would suggest mass demonstrations outside of middle eastern embassies to protest against the lax stance taken by certain countries on the subject of muslim related terrorist attacks and the treatment of women in these countries. any muslim community would instantly garner respect for this.

Gunshot · 22-02-2006 05:16PM

JohnCleary wrote:

Whats the big deal?

Da big deal is tht in da Muslim religion Prophet Muhammad is not allowed 2 be viewed under any circumstances.Tht is said in the Quran(Muslim holy book)

ravenhead · 22-02-2006 05:16PM

julep wrote:

i think most people, not only here, but on the entire face of the planet, would agree that the u.s. led invasion of iraq was wrong.
nobody here (that i've seen anyway) is saying that all muslims are evil. we are, for the most part, saying that muslims are not doing themselves any favours by saying that islam promotes peace and then burning down embassies and sending suicide bombers (anyone remember "homicide bombers". i thought that name was hilariously paradoxical onb the part of americans) in to kill innocent people.
i would suggest mass demonstrations outside of middle eastern embassies to protest against the lax stance taken by certain countries on the subject of muslim related terrorist attacks and the treatment of women in these countries. any muslim community would instantly garner respect for this.

You hit the nail right on the head!! & what's the bet if we did protest, they would come back with some ridiculous crap about West V's East & we're taking to force our ways upon them???

Binomate · 22-02-2006 05:17PM

Where are the Muslim protests against the riots and the boycotting of Denmark? Surely that would rank higher than protesting againt an old cartoon. The people protesting in a violent way and boycotting Denmark are doing more damage to Islam than the cartoons are.

ravenhead · 22-02-2006 05:19PM

Gunshot wrote:

Da big deal is tht in da Muslim religion Prophet Muhammad is not allowed 2 be viewed under any circumstances.Tht is said in the Quran(Muslim holy book)

Question on this ... does this mean so that Muslim who put up a shrine are actully disobeying their religion?? It's something that i've always been confused on

InFront · 22-02-2006 07:04PM

julep wrote:

completely racist because they make the Irish people out to be complete idiots. they have been airing for well over a year now and if enough people complained, they wouldn't be shown again.
i couldn't give a damn about them though. for one, they are crap jokes and secondly, they really make those telling them look stupid.
i don't see Irish people going to ballsbridge and burning down the british embassey over them though.

how is that even similar to this situation? irish people and British people have a completely different relationship than Islamic states have with the west. The British-Irish conflict is over, the invasion of states of Islam by America is still going on and is set to continue in the near future. Thats what has made the damage that these cartoons have done all the greater.

Originally posted by ravenhead: I mean if the protests had been peaceful it would have shown them in a different light & maybe people would listen to them

There were peaceful protests - an awful lot more peaceful protests than violent ones. Which ones got the real press coverage? The sensationalist ones. Who wants to see thousands of peaceful muslims marching quietly in Grand Comore? Who wants to hear about labour strikes in Pakistan? That stuff doesn't sell papers.

Originally posted by Binomate: Where are the Muslim protests against the riots and the boycotting of Denmark?

The Muslims who disagree with the violence are busy earning a living and getting on with their lives. i mean where are all the christains protesting against the violence and the boycott? same thing

does this mean so that Muslim who put up a shrine are actully disobeying their religion??

no, what makes you think that? its the image of mohammad that is forbidden, not praying to God (Allah)

Binomate · 22-02-2006 07:08PM

Look at my signature.

InFront · 22-02-2006 07:10PM

look at mine

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