should they be buried together?

AngryBadger · 19-02-2006 09:29PM

LadyJ wrote:

Fair enough. You wanted a source and I've given you one.

I've heard that 60 per cent of the time, your' sources work 100 per cent of the time

fischerspooner · 19-02-2006 09:30PM

Shock_treatment wrote:

The above comment annoys the sh*t out of me.
Pure ignorance.

how is it ignorant? because I called her a mad woman? Seriously do you expect us to give sympathy to someone who murders her children?? You've just proved my point, if it were a man you'd never get angry if I called him a madman.

LadyJ · 19-02-2006 09:32PM

AngryBadger wrote:

I've heard that 60 per cent of the time, your' sources work 100 per cent of the time

http://www.guardian.co.uk/gender/story/0,,1712162,00.html#article_continue

Rb · 19-02-2006 09:33PM

Shock_treatment wrote:

The above comment annoys the sh*t out of me.
Pure ignorance.

I don't see why tbh.
Its one thing to kill yourself but to take two innocent children with you can only qualify you as a mad b1tch.
Theres absolutely no excusing it and I for one hope she rots in hell.

Sorry to be so...."ignorant" about it.

Rb · 19-02-2006 09:38PM

fischerspooner wrote:

You've just proved my point, if it were a man you'd never get angry if I called him a madman.

Exactly. If it were a man I'm sure all the women(including Shock_Treatment though she may deny it) would be calling him a psycho, a lunatic etc and you can be damn sure all the guys wouldn't be defending him.
But oh no, apparently a psychopathic murderer can't be called so if she is a woman.

lodgepole · 19-02-2006 09:40PM

rb_ie wrote:

I'm sure he could go without being reminded every time he goes up to see the graves of the psycho b1tch that took the two he held dearest in his life.

The three he held dearest in his life I imagine.

AngryBadger · 19-02-2006 09:40PM

Thanks for the link. But that article seems to be saying that the reason women earn less is because they tend to go for lower paid positions in the first place, and they don't tend to be as geared toward career advancement/money as men.

Surely that's an individual perspective that every woman needs to revise for herself?

Sangre · 19-02-2006 09:43PM

Women get paid the same. Fact. Too lazy to link.
They get paid less because they WORK less hours.

AngryBadger · 19-02-2006 09:44PM

Sangre wrote:

Women get paid the same. Fact. Too lazy to link.
They get paid less because they WORK less hours.

Linkage in fairness

Rb · 19-02-2006 09:46PM

Lodgepole wrote:

The three he held dearest in his life I imagine.

Thats debatable.

LadyJ · 19-02-2006 09:47PM

In the article I've linked to I realise that there are many reasons for women earning less but discrimination is still a factor. I've given an example and backed up my original point so I aint gonna drag this out.

Rb · 19-02-2006 09:51PM

LadyJ wrote:

I aint gonna drag this out.

thank God for that.

AngryBadger · 19-02-2006 09:52PM

LadyJ wrote:

I aint gonna drag this out.

fair enough

Rb · 19-02-2006 09:56PM

LadyJ wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/gender/story/0,,1712162,00.html#article_continue

I see,to absolutely no surprise,that that was written by a woman therefore I personally take it with a pinch of salt. As did I with a similar article I read in The Economist.

Odds are she's a lesbian also.

AngryBadger · 19-02-2006 10:00PM

rb_ie wrote:

I see,to absolutely no surprise,that that was written by a woman therefore I personally take it with a pinch of salt. As did I with a similar article I read in The Economist.

Odds are she's a lesbian also.

man...how is that helping? Just take the article for what it's worth

dbnavan · 19-02-2006 10:01PM

This thread is sick!!

The woman was a mother and a wife, she was obviously physiologically unwell, it is not up to us, most of who don’t know the family. To decide weather or not she is buried with her kids or whatever that is totally the family’s choice, namely the grieving father. People who have suffered depression or similar problems know that 'some' choices made during depressive moments don’t always in anyway reflect the person 99% of the rest of the time,

May they all rest in peace.

constitutionus · 19-02-2006 10:06PM

AngryBadger wrote:

Linkage in fairness

he's on the level, i cant remember the source myself. i think its the ESRI but im not sure. but apparently 90% of all overtime is done by men resulting in women working on average 10 hours less than men.
in that context its OBVIOUS men will earn more and deservedly so. surely women arent advocating pay for work they havent done

now THAT would be discrimination

LadyJ · 19-02-2006 10:06PM

rb_ie wrote:

I see,to absolutely no surprise,that that was written by a woman therefore I personally take it with a pinch of salt. As did I with a similar article I read in The Economist.

Odds are she's a lesbian also.

Thanks for helping my argument. Look no further for that sexual discrimination AngryBadger!

ST* · 19-02-2006 10:08PM

rb_ie wrote:

I don't see why tbh.
Its one thing to kill yourself but to take two innocent children with you can only qualify you as a mad b1tch.
Theres absolutely no excusing it and I for one hope she rots in hell.
Sorry to be so...."ignorant" about it.

Typical response from you tbh

Rb · 19-02-2006 10:08PM

dbnavan wrote:

This thread is sick!!

The woman was a mother and a wife, she was obviously physiologically unwell, it is not up to us, most of who don’t know the family. To decide weather or not she is buried with her kids or whatever that is totally the family’s choice, namely the grieving father. People who have suffered depression or similar problems know that 'some' choices made during depressive moments don’t always in anyway reflect the person 99% of the rest of the time,

May they all rest in peace.

Think you'd have the same attitude if you were the husband and everything that you held dearest was taken away in an extremely violent and bloody manner?
I somehow don't think so.

If it were my wife she'd be heading the same way the christmas tree did.Save a fortune.

AngryBadger wrote:

man...how is that helping? Just take the article for what it's worth

Oh I am taking it for what its worth, believe me.

constitutionus · 19-02-2006 10:10PM

AngryBadger wrote:

Linkage in fairness

he's on the level, i cant remember the source myself. i think its the ESRI but im not sure. but apparently 90% of all overtime is done by men resulting in women working on average 10 hours less than men.
in that context its OBVIOUS men will earn more and deservedly so. surely women arent advocating pay for work they havent done

now THAT would be discrimination

yup just checked it its under "degrees of equality: gender pay differential among recent graduates" (sorry im still new at this and dont know how to provide links, just google ersi and hit the ireland one

)

Rb · 19-02-2006 10:13PM

LadyJ wrote:

Thanks for helping my argument. Look no further for that sexual discrimination AngryBadger!

Yeah you see you'd support and believe everything she said in that article because...wait for it....you're a woman!
When I read those kind of articles I just see jealous feminists with nothing better to talk about.

Oh and just because I've said that stuff doesn't mean I'm against women getting equal rights, pay etc, it just means I'm sick of all the complaining about it.

Shock_Treatment wrote:

Typical response from you tbh

Hey, I could have linked a picture to what I thought of her

LadyJ · 19-02-2006 10:18PM

rb_ie wrote:

Yeah you see you'd support and believe everything she said in that article because...wait for it....you're a woman!
When I read those kind of articles I just see jealous feminists with nothing better to talk about.

Oh and just because I've said that stuff doesn't mean I'm against women getting equal rights, pay etc, it just means I'm sick of all the complaining about it.

And I'm not complaining,I'm just backing up my original point and this was the first thing I thought of.
Hell,all I'm saying is that life sucks for everyone so why should any kind of discrimination be a surprise anymore!

ST* · 19-02-2006 10:19PM

rb_ie wrote:

Hey, I could have linked a picture to what I thought of her

So the psychological elements dont even come into it for you ?

Sangre · 19-02-2006 10:23PM

Yeah its the ERSI Report. Also the Guardian is English.

Rb · 19-02-2006 10:27PM

Shock_treatment wrote:

So the psychological elements dont even come into it for you ?

So you're not denying that she was mad?Psychologically mad I mean.
tbh I couldn't give two sh1ts if she was depressed, plenty of people are depressed and yes, some commit suicide. Tragic as it is it still doesn't excuse the fact that she killed two totally innocent children. Psychologically f*cked or not.

LadyJ wrote:

Hell,all I'm saying is that life sucks for everyone

Not me!

LadyJ · 19-02-2006 10:29PM

Also,just to the OP,I actually think there was a story a while back where some guy drove off a cliff with his kids and they were all buried together.

Not sure yet but I'll look for a link.

ST* · 19-02-2006 10:42PM

rb_ie wrote:

So you're not denying that she was mad?Psychologically mad I mean.

'Mad' no. 'depressed' no. Chronically depressed to the point of psychotic episode yes. My sister was at the funeral yesterday, and shes really cut up with it, and trying desperately to come to terms with it.

I agree with you whole-heartedly that the children done nothing to deserve it, nothing does excuse it.

But psychological factors cannot be ignored. Im going to leave it there out of respect for the family.

CathyMoran · 19-02-2006 10:49PM

I do not see why she should not be buried with her kids, would say the same if it was a father who was in the same position. She must have been deeply disturbed and while it may be hard for a while for her poor husband to get over this tragedy (especially seeing her grave beside that of their kids) in the end I deeply hope that it will be a healing process - I can not imagine that he could cope with it if he does not forgive her. Was deeply touched to see that he helped carry his wifes coffin. RIP to them all.

Chucky the tree · 19-02-2006 10:53PM

rb_ie wrote:

No she shouldn't be buried with them, she should be buried in an unmarked grave somewhere in the middle of nowhere and left there to rot.
You don't bury a muderer next to their victims, especially if their victims happen to be their own children.
The husband has to visit those graves remember, I'm sure he could go without being reminded every time he goes up to see the graves of the psycho b1tch that took the two he held dearest in his life.

Who are you to decide where she gets buried? Surely its up to the husband tand the family to decide where she is buried. THe papers, the general public had no say in where she was going to be buried, the husband did.

SO he clearly has no problem with her being buried with her kids. So i am sure he has no problem being reminded when he visits all three graves.

should they be buried together?

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