President MacAleese condemns publication of cartoons

Yook · 12-02-2006 07:29PM #1

Linky here.

I myself am completely outraged with this. She doesn't represent me making a statements like the second paragraph on that link. The majority of people who I have talked to about the whole cartoon issue have seemed to be for freedom of speech and supporting Denmark and now France invoking their rightes. And with opposing nations burning down embassies, and making statements like, "Your (Denmark) streets will run with blood." its all a bit much. They should not be able to dictate how we live our lives in our countries. Fair enough, if the article was printed in a majority muslim country it would be fair to retract the article.

What do other people think? Shes gone too far this time.

senordingdong · 12-02-2006 07:33PM

Everyone has gone too far at this stage.

She is probably just trying to lick some muslim hole in relation to their peacefull protest, during which they saluted and priased the Irish media for nto printing the toons, and condemned the violent protesting.

She probaly figures that appeasing them is the best way to oppose a terrorist attack.

And by the looks of it, she's giving Muslims all over a false impression of Ireland.

Dagnir Glaurung · 12-02-2006 07:45PM

Yook wrote:

Linky here.

. And with opposing nations burning down embassies, and making statements like, "Your (Denmark) streets will run with blood." its all a bit much. They should not be able to dictate how we live our lives in our countries.

Which nations would this be? I thought the people making these statements were individuals that don't represent the majority?

I'm all for free speech but it should be used with responsibility and not as an excuse to outrage people in order to increase sales. I don't think the cartoons should have been published. I don't really care either way though.

senordingdong · 12-02-2006 07:46PM

At best this just serves to show the MacAleese is an idiot.

stevenmu · 12-02-2006 07:51PM

What do you expect in a country so f**ked up that the same people who complained that the government allowing the US use shannon was making us a terrorist target, demanded that a muslim who said the same thing be imprisoned.

Irish people in general have a very poor concept of personal rights and freedoms.

magick · 12-02-2006 07:52PM

The majority of people who I have talked to about the whole cartoon issue have seemed to be for freedom of speech and supporting Denmark and now France invoking their rightes.

yup completely agree

mickymg2003 · 12-02-2006 07:58PM

Ah poor mary has to make up for the Comparing protestants to Nazi's business.

And this is the woman "we" send out to represent us?!!

RoundyMooney · 12-02-2006 07:58PM

Oh goody.

And with that another red carpet is rolled out for the hook handed fundaMENTALists and the teetering on the brink moderates like Hussein Halawa, and Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, head of the European Council for Fatwa and Research (of which Halawa is General Secretary) beginning to openly spout their bigotry, including support of suicide bombings, and calls of death to members of the homosexual community, and atheists from the safety of the free world here that they supposedly want no part of...

I'm all for religious diversity and freedom of expression, but this level of pandering is very worrying.

Sangre · 12-02-2006 08:00PM

Pretty sure she can't make any political statements like that as president. She is supposed to be a neutral person.

RoundyMooney · 12-02-2006 08:02PM

Don't look now Ms. McAleese, but your PR is slipping...

mickymg2003 · 12-02-2006 08:06PM

RoundyMooney wrote:

Don't look now Ms. McAleese, but your PR is slipping...

As if she cares, She gets a big house and a bigger pension.

RoundyMooney · 12-02-2006 08:09PM

Sha had that in the first instance, both her husband and herself were financially solvent and comfortable prior to her election.

Her motivation here is to court publicity and keep the office of An tUachtaran in the public eye. Nothing more.

Pythia · 12-02-2006 08:10PM

I can't believe she made a statement like that.
Any respect I had for her has totally gone down the drain.

bizmark · 12-02-2006 08:11PM

Yook wrote:

Linky here.

I myself am completely outraged with this. She doesn't represent me making a statements like the second paragraph on that link. The majority of people who I have talked to about the whole cartoon issue have seemed to be for freedom of speech and supporting Denmark and now France invoking their rightes. And with opposing nations burning down embassies, and making statements like, "Your (Denmark) streets will run with blood." its all a bit much. They should not be able to dictate how we live our lives in our countries. Fair enough, if the article was printed in a majority muslim country it would be fair to retract the article.

What do other people think? Shes gone too far this time.

Agreed its just another example of the normal western out of touch uber pc goverment

is_that_so · 12-02-2006 08:13PM

Interesting what offends some people. This is known as free speech, don't knock it. Saying that at an economic conference in Jeddah makes perfect sense to me.

RoundyMooney · 12-02-2006 08:17PM

bizmark wrote:

Agreed its just another example of the normal western out of touch uber pc goverment

It's funny (peculiar) in a way. I'm convinced that there is a PC backlash coming down the line, and soon. The UK government is one of the most prominent examples of this PC nonsense, as it seems is the US, what with various ridiculous local (and national) government decrees making the news week in week out. A lot of people are becoming very disenfranchised with talk of banning Christmas references etc., and spurious cases coming before the courts. If and when the pendulum swings the other way, it's not going to be pretty, and minorities with genuine concerns will be worse off then before.

The happy compromise can be hard to find.

Rovi · 12-02-2006 08:23PM

See attached image, tbh.

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toString · 12-02-2006 08:27PM

I'm just glad that most of the immigration to this country is from Poland. I wouldn't like to see the problems seen in France repeated here.

mike65 · 12-02-2006 08:30PM

Make ones feelings known here

Mike.

InFront · 12-02-2006 08:36PM

Sangre wrote:

Pretty sure she can't make any political statements like that as president. She is supposed to be a neutral person.

No while her passport may be under Bertie's thumb, her mouth is her own deadly weapon!!

However on this particular topic, Mary does deserve a clap on the back. Those drawings were wrong. They didnt just insult a Muslim prophet, but Islam itself. I dont think she's condemning it because she's afraid of islam, or because she thinks some boy from Finglas will run into Dail Eireann screaming Jihad Muhammad Allah Allah, she said it because insulting anybody's faith is wrong.

If Northern Protestants drew pictures like that which insulted Northern Catholics, and it was printed in Denmark, would you want your President to say nothing? Remain silent. Ireland has, actually, got a Muslim population. My Dads a Muslim and votes here, Id like to think old Mary was just considering his feelings.

Mary Mac is from Ardoyne, Im sure both that upbringing and her training as a lawyer and an academic on laws have taught her the importance of respect in the community. Local or global.

And by the way Im not deliberately trying to be PC about this, I really think Muslims have a point on this issue, fair play to the prez

senordingdong · 12-02-2006 08:41PM

InFront wrote:

I really think Muslims have a point on this issue, fair play to the prez

I disagree.
This is something typical of western society. If people that aren't from the west don't like this, then they shouldn't live in the west.

Willymuncher · 12-02-2006 08:42PM

I tend to agree with her, those cartoons were published to insult and provoke, the papers printing them knew heads were going to roll and this is where the freedom of speech excuse just doesn't do it for me. Its plain old ignorance, and it was shown all throughout Europe, it was an irresponsible thing to do....there was always going to be a backlash to this, and that had to have been known.

I don't support what many Islamic extremists did afterwards, but I also have no support for people who as plain as day provoke this kind of behaviour. We should respect others, given todays troubles in the world this was not needed.

InFront · 12-02-2006 08:45PM

senordingdong wrote:

I disagree.
This is something typical of western society. If people that aren't from the west don't like this, then they shouldn't live in the west.

Put up or shut up?

senordingdong · 12-02-2006 08:46PM

Willymuncher wrote:

I tend to agree with her, those cartoons were published to insult and provoke,

Even though they went un-noticed for months.
There was a joke made about 'Muhammod' in the Simpsons years ago, that also wen't un-noticed.
This is a case of immature members of an immature religion lashing out childishly.

senordingdong · 12-02-2006 08:47PM

InFront wrote:

Put up or shut up?

Basically, yeah.
There are alot of aspects of eastern society that I don't like.
So I won't go there.
And if I did, how do you think people would react if I started demanding they change their ways to suit mine? SO that I could have a drink in my home or deman my children be thought about Chirstianity in school?

is_that_so · 12-02-2006 08:49PM

Isn't this how the Muslims might have felt ? Offended amd aggrieved. Free speech works both ways.

BuffyBot · 12-02-2006 08:53PM

Ermm, she's at an conference in Jeddah, in Saudi Arabia..exactly what would you think she'd say? "Nah-nah-nah-nah-nah you're a bunch of over-reacting idiots!"?

toString · 12-02-2006 08:53PM

Willymuncher wrote:

I tend to agree with her, those cartoons were published to insult and provoke

I have to laugh at that! It was purely political comment on the extreme nature of the religion.

Willymuncher · 12-02-2006 08:57PM

senordingdong wrote:

Even though they went un-noticed for months.
There was a joke made about 'Muhammod' in the Simpsons years ago, that also wen't un-noticed.
This is a case of immature members of an immature religion lashing out childishly.

There are immature people on both sides tbh. These were printed all over Europe, I'd have a different view if it was just one paper in a single country. This was not only showing a picture of Mohammed, but also depicting him as some sort of terrorist, which we have to understand (even though its hard to) is a terrible insult to Islam.

Atrocity · 12-02-2006 08:57PM

^^^
Hear hear. I have a response but I'm afraid my computer will blow itself up if I say what I'm thinking. You can't be too careful.

InFront · 12-02-2006 08:57PM

senordingdong wrote:

Basically, yeah.
There are alot of aspects of eastern society that I don't like.
So I won't go there.
QUOTE]

Eastern society? Im talking about respect for Muslims born in Dublin. Im sure Mary McAleese were thinking of Irish Muslims when she made that statement.

And if I did, how do you think people would react if I started demanding they change their ways to suit mine? SO that I could have a drink in my home or deman my children be thought about Chirstianity in school?

1. If you drank in your own home, they would react by doing nothing. If you drank in a pub, got plastered and staggered home, I doubt they'r react much differently. I cant guarantee that - I cant guarantee I could get drunk on O Connell St and walk home safely either, though.

2.As for "demanding" having your kids being taught Christianity there, Im sure you'd only have to ask the director of one of the Christian schools politely mate.

Free speech worsk both ways.

Exactly. And all anybody is asking for is respect anyway.

President MacAleese condemns publication of cartoons

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