British Soldiers Beating Up Children In Iraq

ferdi · 12-02-2006 03:36PM

i'm presuming these scumbags will be thrown in prison?

woody · 12-02-2006 03:39PM

ferdi wrote:

i'm presuming these scumbags will be thrown in prison?

Most likely dishonourably discharged but not imprisoned you only get that for murder and worse behaviour

woody · 12-02-2006 03:42PM

Anyone know what regiment that is ???

Cosine · 12-02-2006 03:57PM

What people dont seem to realise is that if you dont get the ring leaders then almost anything you do will make the problem worse not better. Take that scene, if there was a ring leader in the crowd, and there prob was, he'll have seen the kids being dragged in maybe found all of them afterwards and what does he say to other people? We throw rocks they beat our children to within an inch of their lives! Thats going to stop the kids, maybe, but its going to piss a helluva lot more people. Even if you do get the ringleader then you can't beat him to a pulp. You take away his power over the people by showing what he did is wrong, put him through the system if you have proof he did anything etc. I'll admitt I dont know the best ways of doing that but I know that kicking the s**t out of someone isn't it. Situations like these create nasty cycles that just kill alot of people. If you can't beat them by strenght of arms you weaken them and make them leave remember a Suicide bomber is just one person.

Don't get me wrong, I dont like what the kids did there are ways and means these days and throwing stones at soilders is just stupid. But these are soilders trained to kill people etc. they are not ment to practice on kids almost half their height! As Woody said rules of engagement are there. They need to be followed for everyones sake

muletide · 12-02-2006 04:00PM

how do you know that the ones they got were not the ringleaders ?

Cosine · 12-02-2006 04:02PM

I dont but usually its hard to find a brick in the ringleaders hand. Also even if they were the ringleaders I said thats not how you should do it

woody · 12-02-2006 04:05PM

muletide wrote:

how do you know that the ones they got were not the ringleaders ?

we dont but there is rules of engagement for all soldiers including special forces

smashey · 12-02-2006 04:07PM

Some of you seem surprised/shocked. They did the same thing in the North for years.

A Dub in Glasgo · 12-02-2006 04:08PM

People should not be surprised, they have been doing this for years in our own back yard although they were not stupid enough to video it.

woody · 12-02-2006 04:09PM

Oh the advent of the handycam..................:rolleyes:

projectmayhem · 12-02-2006 04:11PM

dlofnep wrote:

They are a bunch of angry kids throwing a few stones - The army know that they are not to beat up civilians.. and that's what they are, civilians. Probably no older than 14. Same thing happened on bloody sunday, a bunch of stones thrown and they retaliate with shooting people down. Please, this is brutish behaviour.

look at the video again. it wasn't a "bunch", it was effin loads of them. you can't draw a comparison to taking a few kids around and giving them a good kicking and shooting and murdering loads of people on bloody sunday, that's just taking it to an all new extreme.

woody wrote:

Soldiers have to be professional, yes they are angry but that is OTT, I have been in riots in the Balkans where we used snatch squads to get ring leaders but that is GBH

i'm no expert, nor have i been in any conflict outside of the pixels on my monitor, but surely you can't compare one conflict with another. i'm sure there's a whole different set of pressures on those troops in iraq and the pressures you had in the balkans...

The Real B-man wrote:

800 Years!

lol

Elessar · 12-02-2006 04:13PM

I'd be more concerned about that guy holding the camera.

Cosine · 12-02-2006 04:17PM

@A Dub in Glasgo
True but that there is the problem. If you dont have evidence its hard to make things stick. Hell look at the May day riots there was evidence there but the guards just said "ahhh no I don not recognise that man" the police had no badges to ID them.

If you leave a bit of wiggle room they seem to be able to save their rears.

Wertz · 12-02-2006 04:18PM

Not one of the biggest warcrimes the brits have ever perpetrated.
They did this up the north for years, but that was in the days before cheap video cameras. Okay so it's a small minority perhaps doing suff like this but regardless of whether these kids were rioting or not, it's not justification for what they did ad it's certainly not helping matters in Iraq...
I know if I was those kids' ages and my country was occupied by these f*cks, I'd be out throwing stones and causing them as much grief as I could too. Having a few of our number beaten the crap out of like this would only strenghten my resolve to make sure my rocks were on target next time...

Binomate · 12-02-2006 04:18PM

Thats bloody horrible carry on. Highly unproffensional, but what the hell were the kids doing throwing rocks at the British soldiers?

Fighting Irish · 12-02-2006 04:21PM

projectmayhem wrote:

tbh i don't see what the big deal is. 30 seconds before they were firing rocks at these guys. you throw a rock at a guard and see what happens 30 seconds later when you're in the back of a riot van.

i bet they wont throw rocks at any soldiers again

:rolleyes: maybe in your town, but think about it those british troops just created 3 or 4 more terrorists :mad:

Zillah · 12-02-2006 04:22PM

We didnt see the whole story. If those kids attacked the troops off screen they could have been shot. They may have been throwing rocks, or even firebombs for all we know. In that case a beating may be getting off lightly.

Cosine · 12-02-2006 04:24PM

Binomate wrote:

Thats bloody horrible carry on. Highly unproffensional, but what the hell were the kids doing throwing rocks at the British soldiers?

Not at british soilders but at the foreingers who had invaded their country. Unfortunitly they are one in the same

muletide · 12-02-2006 04:27PM

woody wrote:

Take the ring leaders arrest them rough them up but not beat the living sh1te outta them....rules of engagement also apply for riots

Where are your R.O.Es in this post or is roughing up one of the degrees of force

the_syco · 12-02-2006 04:34PM

Something to note: the soldiers goin first, with the shields, went forward first, and back last. Those who grabbed the people seemed to do it after the main group of soliders went forward.

Also, it would seem the man filming it is doing it for sexual grafication, tbh, fom his comments.

12-02-2006 04:36PM

Cosine wrote:

Not at british soilders but at the foreingers who had invaded their country. Unfortunitly they are one in the same

One and the same.

I had the sound off so I don't know what the comments were, but those soldiers seemed to be going way too nuts

A Dub in Glasgo · 12-02-2006 04:42PM

How big of the soldiers, beating up some teenagers hiding behind the wall, their body armour, batons, shields and helmets... very brave men indeed.

The guy on the voice over sounds as if he had an orgasm watching the violence.

Cosine · 12-02-2006 04:42PM

bluewolf wrote:

One and the same.

If you're planning on correcting all my spelling/gramatical errors you will be crying very soon!

I still haven't heard it in sound since I'm in work. I read the report by the BBC is it much worse then that?

woody · 12-02-2006 05:05PM

muletide wrote:

Where are your R.O.Es in this post or is roughing up one of the degrees of force

There is four degree's of force as stated in the manual for most armies :

Boot
Butt (as in butt of the rifle)
Barrel ( as in being wipped with the barrel)
Bullet (Final Resort)

Cosine · 12-02-2006 05:18PM

A little dated but helpful none the less.

Found on wikipedia.org

Beer is Life · 12-02-2006 05:36PM

OT a bit but what do the rioters want? Why are they rioting? They want the "occupation" to end? They want to return Iraq to the paradise it was under Saddam? It doesnt make sense to me

lostexpectation · 12-02-2006 05:42PM

a very similar group of army lads will be marching down o'connell street in a couple of months,

rotten tomatoes anyone

Flukey · 12-02-2006 06:25PM

There is a lot of furore about this, and rightly so, but what is far worse is that they over there killing innocent people, for no reason whatsoever. Yet, there is not half the furore about that.

Canis Lupus · 12-02-2006 06:57PM

Personally I don't see the problem with the video. Might knock some sense into those kids. Where are the parents is what I wanna know :P

woody · 12-02-2006 07:07PM

Canis Lupus wrote:

Personally I don't see the problem with the video. Might knock some sense into those kids. Where are the parents is what I wanna know :P

whilst I am neither pro arab or muslim, kicking the sh1te outta someone, headbutting them or kicking them in the balls is wrong..

I have personally being part of squads and taken prisoners and have roughed them up eg. Pushed them around, shouted and being generally rough but never assualted them...we disoriented them as per the book but never demoralised or battered anyone it is not professional and not right.

British Soldiers Beating Up Children In Iraq

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